OK, not so sure its a scam, it could be a problem with circle. I will keep you posted.

Spiketheaces, (Jimbo Crushstar?), was on our radar. I hope he didn't get you for too much, and I particularly hope he didn't get anyone else while you were procrastinating.

Mike: When asking for an ACR thread, is it proper protocal to announce both their S/N and the user name in the thread? I got this wrong a few years back and received a warning. I'm thinking of buying some ACR and want to get it right.

Just the screen name (table name) is required. It is the only one that you can search for, for information about the player.

Anyone know what a reasonable rate is for moving money off ACR these days?

I enjoy the occasional small stake for a sweat in the live poker tournament world. I would like to dabble in the online world but am not able to do player to player transfers living in the US. I had one player take pay pal on a very successful day, but it was a hassle for both of us.

What is the preferred method of $ exchange if I want to invest in some online series? (besides p to p or pay pal)

Thanks, sorry if this is in the wrong forum

Skrill is used sometimes.

Or if you have a friend that has a poker acct that you trust and can send them PayPal

bitcoin is becoming more popular, universal & not reversible

I'm such an idiot. Just decided to start an account on ACR and they denied my only card. I hit a dude (Killingbird) up on Twitter to see if he could P2P transfer to me and some other dude DM'd me and told me he had ACR$$. After about a week of chatting with him, getting comfy....this is what happened:

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5 minutes after my money cleared.... POOF....he blocked me. I should have known that it was a scam when the account I funded the dudes name was Doug Adams and NOT Jacob Carter. Anyway, I posted about it on Twitter and 5 minutes later this dude sent me a Tweet asking who ripped me off. Pretty sure this is the same guy....:

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Looking through their Twitter feeds, it looks like it's a network of fake accounts. Anyone heard of this guy? Anyone know a good way to find out who it really is? I've never been a revenge guy, but I am now.... pretty upset. Why didn't I just come back to 2+2?....... Ugh.

Suggestions on how to find/stop this coward appreciated in advance. Also - any way I stop payment on PayPal transaction? It's still Pending in my account.

Thanks!

contact ACR security with the details

I would like to know this as well. Especially for bitcoin. It's been at least a year since I've sold some.

After full investigation it was not thin fold who scammed, but a hacker that controled his skype account.

hi all
I just wonder why we dont create an Insurance funds to avoid being scammed. For example, we can let some people buy an insurrance and if they scam others, we will give back their insurrance to those who being scammed.
I'm willing to give my money as an insurrance to the mods here so that my trade becomes easier because of having an insurrance

Is hard vouching when someone vouches for another user saying if they scam that they will cover?

the problem isn't that very-respected traders are scamming people...

it's that people are doing trades with unknowns or people with low history, and sometimes those people are scammers

i don't think anyone has ever figured out a way to make people stop doing those kinds of unsafe trades

yes, that's the traditional definition

-but-

i see a lot of people use it without meaning that definition. or they say 'soft vouch' or 'vouch.'

imo it's best to completely clarify the definition of any 'vouch' word with anyone you are trading with - every single time you trade. like if someone says 'hard vouch for x' then you should follow up and say 'just confirming, you mean hard vouch like if this person scams me you will pay me out for it, right?'

and then the person will say 'yes' or 'wat' and then you go from there

and obviously make sure the person hard vouching is someone you trust 100% and preferably someone widely- and well-respected.

What mod is going to want to take on such a responsibility, and why?

I would expect so, but unless it's stated explicitly that's what they mean, I'd *never* take a vouch to mean more than that they are vouching for the person's character, trustworthiness, etc. - NOT that they intend to pay their debts. Not many people who use the term vouch intend do that, and of course the vouch is worthless if they don't make good on it even when they said they would.

It is hard to explain English, but I will try and hope you all can understand my point this time.
What I mean is people will have to send first to those very- respected trader or to those who buying an Insurance.
For example, I'm newbie here with low history and if I buy an insurance of $1000. People are guaranteed to trade with me any amount below $1000 because If I scam them, they will claim and receive part of my $1000 insurance

To Bobo Fett :

What mod is going to want to take on such a responsibility, and why?
---> Oh, mods dont have to take such responsibility if they dont like. I just say so because I trust the mods here, and I dont know who's qualified to hold Insurance funds. And I think it's not a responsibility because it is good to have more money and gain some more interests

Anyway, it is just my ideas because I see some forums create Insurance funds to reduce scam

I hope you all can understand what I'm trying to explain

I am sure there is an easier way of setting some kind of processor to do trades, I think it can be a lucrative proposition because it can be used as a deposit/withdrawal method as well. I am baffled this has not been thought of before.

Mod or not, you're looking for someone to take the risk away from you (and other traders), and I can't see why they'd want to do it. It would have to be for some pretty hefty fees, to say the least.

I'm not sure what this even means.

i think he's talking about having big respected traders get money on and off of the sites for players, and there are already several guys who do that.

Wouldn't that be exactly what the P2P thread already is? But whatever he means, I'm sure I'll be baffled by why he thinks it hasn't been thought of before.

Hopefully I'm wrong and he has an amazing new idea that he can explain.

In a forum I join, people normally trade with someone who has Insurance because if they got scammed by that someone, they will claim and get money back from that someone's insurance. This is a win win situation because many exchanges buy insurance by depositing Perfect Money ( PM ) to a forum's account. And you know PM yields an interest of 4% per year
https://perfectmoney.is/fees.html
This way could reduce scammers because scammers never want to buy Insurrance and people never want to trade with someone who doesn't have Insurance except the very respected one.
Anyway, it's what's happening at other forum and you can ignore my ideas

What I mean is I will give money as insurance to big respected traders to hold, and I will do the trades myself. If I scam someone, then that someone can claim on the forum and get back the money from my insurance.
I'm a newbie here so every time I want to exchange usd in poker room for bitcoin, then I have to send money first, I have to spend time looking for history of a person I want to exchange, it is a waste of time and there is still risks because scammers normally do a few trades to gain trust first.
I dont have to worry if I have to send first to those having Insurance or those who are very respected like you.

It wasn't your posts we were trying to figure out, it was sovietplayer's.

But I'm glad you explained yourself further, as I wasn't understanding you until now. So the way I understand your idea, the third party isn't at risk of being scammed, so that's good. However, they are being required to basically arbitrate - deciding if a scam has been perpetrated and if an insurance payout is in order. As a result, some kind of payment would probably be in order for this service; not sure if that's what you had in mind or not. You never know, perhaps someone will express an interest in offering such a service.

I'm not clear on where PM fits into the equation - is that being used to hold the insurance funds so that all parties can see it's there?