Same email he gave me this morning

Listen to this man please. These month old accounts and dormant accounts randomly posting after 5 years popping up offering 10% vig are beyond sketchy and quite obviously not on the level. Don't let greed overtake reason people. Probably 15-20% of trades posted in this thread i would even consider to be honest.

Seems the new strategy is do a few small transfers maybe even fake ones between 2 fake accounts to point to previous history as a sign of trust. Then go in for the kill asking for BITCOIN to be sent first as the scammers love the anonymity of bitcoin. If someone is offering vig asking for bitcoin to be sent first use your head and realise when its too good to be true it usually is.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?to...39#msg17583239

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Edit/MH:

"Additional Notes:

Here follows all infos I have about this SCAMMER:

Identified name = JOSEPH ANGELO MONTE (OHIO- USA)

date of birth = 18/09/1980

mobile/whatsapp = +1 (440)263-213

email= monte00918@gmail.com

Nickname on Bitcointalck = LaLeche

Nickname on Localbitcoins and Paxful = btctmz"

Unreal.. nobody listens or does there homework I've said it a million times. Like Dan said it's just as reversible as PayPal and should be banned ITT asap.

Quick update regarding my transaction with LaLeche.

Venmo confirmed this morning that they could not credit the $1k into my account as there "was a problem with this transaction." They wanted to know the nature of the transaction with LaLeche, etc.

Due to their limitations on merchant transactions, further correspondence with Venmo is frivolous, IMO. Had some help by a reputable poster within the community here to determine if funds were available in the account I had transferred the ACR to, and unfortunately the account had $0 in it. Therefore, I am officially out of luck recouping the loss as ACR does not track the whereabouts of the pursuant cash flow.


I learned the hard way. For me, I am done playing online until regulated poker is offered in NYS. Good luck, all. Sorry to hear that others fell victim to the same scandal.

So sorry to hear about this man. I hope that low life scum gets what he deserves.

My only wish is that new posters pay a little more attention in the future and stop using reversible methods when swapping. Also, if an offer or something seems to good to be true it usually is. Ask questions ITT, PM a mod or someone reputable with solid history, trust me we will be more than happy to steer you in the right direction.

John

Unfortunately the venmo scam is being done very often these days with excellent success.
Let me reiterate again.

DO NOT USE VENMO UNLESS U KNOW OR TRUST THE PERSON IMPLICITLY.

It is as bad if not worse than Paypal who actually owns Venmo!
Not only will you be scammed and lose your money, your account will also be frozen and possibly closed.

Dan

I talked about this a year before, and some people were still manage to get scammed....

My Venmo was frozen AND closed. $3K was potentially reversed, but I managed to move them to my bank account before then.

DON'T USE VENMO or Even normal ACH payments (WF, BoA) with people who seem fishy.

Oh so Gear2016 and Laleche are scammers, they both asked me to make exchange but after reading their posts and having conservation I found so werid.
Gear2016 said he had bitcoin and wanted ACR ( but ACR accept bitcoin deposit, then why trade with me )
Laleche made many weird exchanges in his post, bought btc and sold the other day ....
7orture asked me about Laleche, and I showed 7ortune my conservation with Laleche, but still dont know why he was careless to send such a big amount to Laleche in one time.

This is what Laleche wrote ( and I'm afraid to send first in one time ) :

The reason I can't do that is because of a security feature on my bitcoin wallet that only allows 1 send transaction per 24 hours. It would take us 8 days to finish the trade.

Please look at all my trade history. If you feel comfortable let me know.



Quote:
Originally Posted by meandi289
Last time I traded 425 Stars with a guy in this thread, and each time we tranfer 50 - 100 usd
If you agree ..., we can exchange.

How do I petition to ban Venmo ITT? No offense against any of you, but Venmo is just a toxic way to trade

I believe we should be banning Venmo as a trade option.. As stated by long-term forum veterans and by recent scam victims; Venmo is just too much of a risk. It's owned by PayPal, has strict rules for swaps of higher amounts, and is extremely easy to reverse.

New members are both scamming and getting scammed by this trade option and banning it would cut down on some of this.

+1

venmo is a subsidiary of paypal and bans and freezes even more than they do

I second this motion.
They also ban all business transactions and will close your account if you sell anything. It is an unmitigated disaster.
Dan

The new, naive and careless users have always been ridiculously easy targets for the scammers. Very few of those even read the "MUST READ" OP of the transfers thread, let alone warning posts, until either they have received infractions or been scammed.

Paypal has long been banned in the thread, but I have just deleted several requests or offers involving PP. I have little doubt that once a user has shown himself to be new, naive or careless the lurking scammers will PM or Skype him and try every trick to scam him by whatever means they can think of during their conversations.

I am considering banning Venmo, but I know that if I do, there will be nearly as many new requests involving Venmo as there are now, I'll have to give out more infractions, and the scammers will PM the users in any case.

Anyone with any wit should not be taking Venmo from anyone they don't know who hasn't shown a lengthy track record of honest trading. No one is obliged to trade with someone using Venmo.

I don't really want to reduce the possible methods for the honest players to get their money off and on poker sites in these difficult times, just because a very obvious alleged scammer or two have made Venmo their current vehicle. They could have used a number of other methods to steal from their marks.

Please feel free to post below any sound arguments for a formal bar of Venmo trades; or, indeed, for keeping them, in the normal "buyer beware" manner.

Thanks.

Most honest traders know better than to swap it with unreliable users. It's hard to protect those that are still oblivious... The only solution would possibly be to ban it and in bold text (possibly on the I AGREE page that most new members have to click on) make it known that Venmo has been used to scam a lot lately?

+1

I agree, banning Venmo or any other reversible method and posting it in the must read OP is deff the best decision and a must.

And yes, like Dalsue said, you will always have the occasional new poster who either doesn't pay attention or who is desperate to get funds off poker site and will fall prey to a scammer. Unfortunately, that will happen wether it's banned or not imo. There's only so much we, the poker community can do protect the naive.

John

Mike u are 100% right. The most obvious benefit will be you deleting these venmo scam posts initially. This means that a lot of these scams would be stopped before they were started. I know this would end up involving more work for you which is my concern because of I know how busy you are. Maybe have someone like BigBadBabar help you?
With regards to honest traders, paypal still gets done but with reputable traders off 2+2 so i am not sure that is much of an issue. My concern is for the noobs here on 2+2.
My two cents..
Dan

Mike,

Other traders and I understand that this initiative will take a lot of your time. However, to second Dan's thoughts on the matter, I do agree that honest traders already know each other and can Skype/DM one another to trade. I would compare the trust that two traders who use Venmo ITT to the trust that two traders who trade $10K+ in the hsnl thread. Truth be told, if a new trader is so desperate to get his money off and would just do anything without considering the risks, the least we could do is to prevent the easiest possible way that they could get scammed.

As a past victim of the Venmo scam (we exchanged DM about this a year ago), I just thought that your time spent listening to the victims would also take a lot of your time as well. Thus, the best cure is always prevention, in this case, banning of Venmo.

I haven't been around long enough or active enough to nominate anyone to help you with this initiative, but I would support some sort of election of a mod to watch over these things if you are open to that.

Thanks


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I've spent quite a few happy minutes reading Venmo's, (wide-ranging, as might be expected), T&C at https://venmo.com/legal/us-user-agreement/ and it seems to me that unless there has been an Unauthorized or Other Error, (#D.11.), the user can't reverse a transaction, unlike with Paypal.

Otoh, Venmo can reverse a transaction, (#B.1.f.), if they deem it to be high risk; which, presumably, includes the possibility of fraud being involved.

For these reasons, at this time, I don't see that the Venmo rules are the same as the Paypal rules, and that just because PP is barred here, Venmo should be barred, too.

I'm willing to listen to sound arguments that I am wrong, but if they are based only on the potential fraud aspect, you have to remember that even money in traders' poker sites' accounts can be found to be there through different fraudulent means, and, as any reasonable person should realise, no transfers with internet strangers by any method are entirely risk free.

I'm very happy to include a specific warning about Venmo in the OP, but, again, I really don't want to reduce transfer methods for the majority of our honest users to move money into or out of their poker accounts.

Maybe include in the I AGREE section as well where 2p2's disclaimer is that there have been an influx in Venmo reversal scams along with the OP... in bolded text.

sorry

What are you sorry about?

Also, PayPal is not allowed to be used as a trading method and you must post you stars screen name when requesting a swap.

I do NOT recommend trading with emerald1222

John

Have: $737.50 ACR (Knittle)
Want: $730 Bitcoin

Thank you...

Is this a fine post?

Did a trade with Dan on Facebook Messenger Payment today. Everything went fast and flawlessly. I would recommend all traders to try that out. You can only add debit cards (any banks) for paying and receiving $

just a note, the facebook payment is for US only

a nice option for those that have access to it, hopefully they expand to other countries in the future