I may be logged in permanent at home computer....
I am not home now and on mobile
Two guys I trade with notified me of the rant when I loggrd back into skype on my cell
I am at dinner now and will post pm log when I am home in around an hour
Dan

this is not true i never asked him to send first..i asked you and you took a while to answer so i didnt know you responded i am currently trading with depechbnkn

correct
he was referred to me by a guy i have traded with numerous times
ofc he will be sending first

dan

Yea its all good. I didnt take a while to answer, you just left. No worries. Thanks anyways.

Misunderstanding on both parties.

my responses are in bold below

Originally Posted by Rob999 View Post
Hey listen...my gut tells me he's not about stealing

lol your gut? maybe its my reputation and hundred of trades i have done on 2+2 plus all the guys that vouch for me
...but he's a jerkoff and should be reprimanded. I have made more trades than anybody in the history of poker...
congratulations! your 50 trades put u in the top five of all time traders!
(maybe) on 5 websites....and you know what I do...I sit there and check my messages every 3 seconds to make it as fast as humanly possible...6 hours this guy or 5 hours....no response...it's inexcusable...it's a total lack of respect....and he charges more vig than ANYBODY on earth
you were more than willing to pay my supposed "high vig"...and I have to send first
ofc u do, i blow you out of the water in reputation, trade volume vouches and length on this forum!
....Marketplace approved....I think not....I would take a **** on his front lawn
jealousy is a bitch bro..

you are a liar and a jerk off. Anyone who sends first to you after this rant deserves to have their head examined.

I mean seriously...you are a piece of garbage....You sit there and try and take advantage...screw your brothers....but whatever...I deal with that daily....but then you take 5 hours to deliver and best yet you don't even deliver the right amount....How dare you!!! How dare you...I don't even know what your half ass explanation is? Can somebody interpret this? He sent me this....Beo I told u .85 minus the fee lol
What did I miss?
Its all good
Give me your acr I will ship u $5 back
Dan
depechbnkn is online now
Now when the **** did anyone screw someone out of 15 percent and a fee....and then take 6 hours to deliver...go second....and **** you again because it's more than 5 dollars extra....this guy is a royal piece of ****...and I have 5 people private message me to say the same...he's approved alright...approved to be a piece of crap....beat it buzzard

.85 - $5 fee is $165 for $200 acr!
do u have a calculator?
which is what you received.
When u started bitching i assumed it was about the $5 gdmp fee and i felt bad since you waited so long that i offfered to have a buddy send u $5 acr to just get this over with.
my phone died so it was hard to ship you the code. You were not the only one who was trying to reach me, during the afternoon
sometimes **** happens..
After your rant i will not be shipping you anything extra
this is the last post that i will make on this topic.

dan

Re: Dan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rob999
I'll go 220 on my ACR for 200 GDMP if you are still interested?

Best is .85 -$5 for the fee can do within the hour
depechbnkn is online now Forward Message

Dear depechbnkn,

You have received a new private message at Two Plus Two Poker Forums from Rob999, entitled "Re: Dan".


This is the message that was sent:
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HAHA....deal...I knew that reply was coming. Thinking 200 for 170 then? I'll be here

where the hell in all this do u come up with me owing you 185?????
i am just flabbergasted by all your BS

You are garbage....that is all

I've traded with depechbnkn before - not sure if I have traded with Rob999 before or not. But having scoured this thread of all posts from January 1st, 2013, I can say with a little bit of validity that Rob is a solid trader and despite not doing the amounts of a guy like depech, he does have a point and it deserves to be more than just scoffed at, in my opinion.

I think this raises a bit of a point that has been brewing here for some time. We've all pretty much looked the other way when it comes to those who do "business" in trading - what I mean is, those who buy and sell to make a profit and do it regularly. Personally, as I have said, I have dealt with depech before and he came through when I needed dough the most. I didn't care about paying a little more in vigorish than what I should have at the time, because I needed the money. I'm sure I'm not the only one in this regard.

But the fact he trades a lot, and the fact he does such volume, shouldn't give him any less scrutiny than any other trader gets for not being on the ball when it comes to getting prompt payment to a trader. Rob posted valid concerns in my view, and got a little heated when sometime later he still hadn't been reciprocated. Hey - I've been there too. You feel like you can't do anything, and whether it's $1 or $10,000, it doesn't matter. That money may have meant quite a lot to the guy trading it.

Perhaps we should have a little more debate on whether or not this portion of the trading rules is honestly in effect:

I know if it had been me, someone who has made nearly 60 trades in this thread (maybe worth $3.5k or so - nothing huge), and I was not constantly communicating to someone I was supposed to reciprocate for a trade and let things go more than a few hours, I would expect to be held accountable for that by the community (and the person I was trading with by posting about it). That should be the way it is for everyone here - not just the lower-volume guys.

Just my two cents here, for whatever it might be worth.

your point about communication are valid
and the first thing i did when i was able to get my phone up was send him a pm with a gdmp number
sometimes there is nothing more you can do...
i even offered him $5 extra when he bitched.
i had at least 5 guys trying to reach me during that time .....
his rant on that effect was in my opinion way over the top. Plus he claimed i agreed to send him $185 for a $200 acr. Then cursed me out when i showed proof otherwise. I don't think i deserved his curses or his accusations. He also cursed me out in PM as well.
i dont think i deserve to be **** on just because my phone died for a few hours.
he was way out of line

dan

How about we move this to the P2P Chat thread LOL.

Niceto see all went well in the end!

I'd be pretty annoyed if someone said they could make a trade within the hour and once I sent they had no communication for 5-6 hours. Phone dying isn't a very good excuse for that long of a period.

I 100% agree with the above post!!!

Depeche is like a pawn shop, you know your gonna pay a higher vig, but if u need a trade he is always willing to help out. I've traded with him multiple times and appreciate that he is there when I need fast cash. Not sure why the hate for him, if u done trades at all u know what he is about. Obv he is not trading to help you so called "brothers" out as rob said, it would be stupid of him to just make a bunch of trades and not profit.

As for waiting hours **** comes up deal with it, you think the guy is gonna ruin his rep for 200 dollars? When he had just traded for 5k? Use your common sense.

He fills a niche, I could see why some people might not like it, but imo people like him are a neccessity. I appreciate when I need a trade I can go straigjt to him and he will help me out.

Just wanted to add my 2cents.

Whats the best way to go upon opening a Bank Account to use strickly for Poker/Poker excahnge?

I see BoA is used alot. Chase is another option I see, but I heard there are problems with ChaseQP.

Any advice? Suggestions?

Thanks!
-OC

My point was pretty much on the rule in the P2P OP - and whether that should be removed or enforced, or whether or not that applies in depech's case in terms of profit-rearing in trades. Personally I think that debate is long overdue, regardless of my opinion on the subject.

I've never had an issue personally with depech, or with what he does in terms of the actual end-result deals he does/offers. But the other side of the coin, NoChop, is that everyone should be expected to follow the rules - or in this specific case, the general "acceptable window" to be waiting for payment or reciprocation without communication.

Whether it is obvious he wouldn't stiff someone over a couple hundred bucks to ruin a rep earned through tons of trading is irrelevant, in my opinion. Everyone should be held to the same standard and expected to keep communication flowing. Obviously things are going to happen, and common sense people understand there are times when legitimate issues can pop up that prevents a deal going through. As long as both parties are talking to one another throughout, those usually end well. I think that's where Rob's concern is a valid one.

Not to mention that he might have based his decision as to the terms on what the terms were said to be...within the hour. He did after all ask his funds to be sent back. Yes, things do happen; but if my phone died after I promised to be back in an hour I would have gone back home, plugged it in, & used my desktop to contact who i promised and just been 30 minutes late to whatever else I was planning. If what I had planned couldn't be risked to putting off for 30 mins, I most certainly wouldn't have arranged a 200 trade even making 20%...that's just me. If nothing else, take a tad of the profit and buy a frick'in car charger! C'mon, 5-7 hours (assuming that's true) after promising within an hour...that's just not giving a squat about the other party. Thus the guy's anger and poor choice of words and main claim of "arrogance." At least as I see it.

I asked a similar question in May here,

and was told this.

And then the subject matter was dropped right after, no mod chimed in on it, so im guessing it's not a big deal.

As for the 6 hour wait, of course common courtesy goes a long ways, but nobody really knows the circumstances of why it was delayed etc and the intent was never to scam obv. so what is the big deal i've done many trades with depeche and never had a problem its not like this is a common occurence. For the amounts of trades he does seems like a good % if this is the only complaint.

I originally kept my mouth shut about this because I knew Depech had a rep on 2 +2 and I didn't want to be the one that ended up under the bus. I have thought long and hard after what happened to Robb about whether or not to say anything about an issue I had with Depech and have come to the conclusion that it would be irresponsible of me to keep my mouth closed at this point so here it goes. Last month I was involved in the beast chase on the WPN. The account that I was using happened to be my BCP account. Toward the middle of the month I found myself needing BCP funds as I was struggling to stay ahead of the rake multi tabling with 12 tables. I started to make multiple post in the transfer thread for BCP funds. At this point either I contacted Depech or he contacted me regarding my need for the BCP funds. Before we had come to any agreement on BCP funds I received a PM from Depech informing me about a rakeback site that he either owns or is affiliated with suggesting that I might want to sign up as I had explain to Depech in a prior pm that non of my other WPN accounts (BCP & ACR) had rakeback. I will avoid stating the name of the site for obvious reasons. We PMed back and forth as Depech came to understand that the only account that I had not established with the WPN was True and this will become relevant as you hear the rest of my story. We finally came to an agreement on somewhere around $300 gdmp for $300 BCP as I then explained to Depech that I was going to have my wife stop at the local Wal-Mart to pick up the GDMP. She came with the GDMP no more than an hour after we had agreed on the above deal. I then PMed Depech to inform him that I had the gdmp and was ready to provide him with the code and he then PMed me back stating that he didn't have any more BCP funds but had plenty of True Poker funds that he could sell me. I then had to explain to Depech a second time that the reason I wanted the funds on BCP is because I was already deep into the Beast Chase as there was no way I was going to switch over to another account. He then tried to explain to me that the rakeback that I would generate through his rakeback site would far exceed any funds that I may generate through the Beast Chase. It became clear to me that Depech was trying to redirect my deposit from BCP to True Poker for his own personal gain after he had already made an agreement with me. I had done a few trades with Depech prior to this botched deal and will say that his communication skills are less than satisfactory but as far as I am concerned he agreed to a deal with me this time and did not come through for what I believe was the motive of having me sign up with his rakeback site thus have me generate revenue for him. This caused me a lot of wasted time. I was so pissed off that I started PMing other members as I took valuable time away from my efforts of the Beast Chase. Also the GDMP that I had purchased ended up getting put back on my credit card because under the circumstances with the beast chase I only needed BCP and there was non available at the time so I ended up eating the fee because I was not comfortable sitting on the GDMP for any extended period of time. I have not traded with Depech since and will never trade with him again. Funny thing is he PMed me recently and offered me .85 for my BCP. My response to him was simple " Not a shot. I will provide you the same courtesy you provided me 1:1 ". I sure am glad he refused because I guess I would have had to honor that deal.

Idk anything about the true / BC scene so have nothing to say on that, but you do have to realize that someone whether depeche / vegasbound99 / ihastehnutz or whoever who is doing this is offering you a service, why would he / she not profit off of this? Somoene like that has to keep there money spread around on all sites, and have enough to cover multiple trades in a day, deal with many unknowns, and all there quirky demands (i want gdmp, i want bank transfer), We all know how unstable US sites are, and could go at any moment so right there the seller is taking an inherent risk.

The seller isn't your buddy doing you a favor, its someone offering a service and so should rightfully profit off of it. You don't like someone's prices move onto the next person. I have unexpected bills, or whatever come up all the time, when I need a fast cashout I know where to go to, and if I want cash in hand now, instead of a week from now I don't mind paying the extra vig for it, just the way the US poker economy is atm with current cashout times.

^^ Not sure why I got lumped into that specific scenario...haha. I think anyone I've ever dealt with will tell you I don't gripe over vig and am always willing to do a fair deal. And the sum total of my 60+ trades here might near $4k total, so...not exactly offering much of a service to traders.

I don't usually spread multiple sites either, I was just giving an example of whoever is helping you out deserves to be paid for there service of helping you move money in this s*** poker economy where its hard to even cashout nowadays.

I have another story about Depechebnkn. The previous time I traded with him these are the direct quotes...."Hey Dan looking for $100 on GDMP for $110 on ACR" He replies "that's too small to go to 7-11 for sorry and my rate would be .85" Then I said I do have Netspend.....and he said..."ya i have plenty of netspend $100 is fine there and no fee to you" Then of course this clown somehow gets everyone to send first and then he sends me 85. I said "what do you mean 85....you said "No Fee" and he said I misunderstood. I didn't miss understand anything. That's his direct quote. And then of course the next time I sent first again (I smack myself for that because I will guarantee I have more trades in all forums for the last 7 years than he does) and he doesn't respond for 4 hours...and of course charges more vig than anybody. He's a jerkoff. Trying to make living out of screwing poker players.

If anyone else has had an experience like this, I'd like to hear about it - either in this thread or by PM is fine.