is there a list up to date of suspicious accounts per stakes...
i mean, no matter if u log morning afternoon or night, 4 seats on 6 are taken by the same people or worse full 6 turning the blinds...

How come you can identify fishes from everywhere first 100hands except ex USSR countries....
canada : 9fishes/10 (lol)
greece : 5/10
germany : 3/10
etc etc........... but not one weak player from belarus on this planet ?

right now between NL5 to NL50 it s a massive joke....

here is an interview with the guy who satellited into the event from a $5 sat and then went on to bust in 3rd place for $1.3MM. seems like a nice and smart dude it was a good read.

http://www.pokergurublog.com/content...d-5-13-million

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Are there any PLO 200 grinders, who crush the games over a long sample? I have been doing fairly well but lately, it seems like its impossible to win.

Often times you have insane tables, like 3-4 fish and a bad reg. However, no pot every goes HU and every time I 3bet or 4bet most fish come along. Now, that seems standard for fish or could even be variance.

I am a bit worried that the "fish" is pretty much sharing hole cards or overcall 4bets and 3bets if blocking AK or to just get it in randomly on many flops to make me fold. Many of them love to 4bet T986ds and all sort of other holdings. Those 4bets would be GTO often times but just don't seem to happen on Stars nearly as often.

Worried, its the same kind of bot ring that was around years ago, playing maniac-fish style and purely printing.

Is there a feature to set rebuys for ring games to the initial buy in amount or is it just max?

Explanations to that, their stables colluding, superusers.

So, will anybody answer my comment?

What is the bot situation like currently? How many bots per average are at a 10NL-50NL 6max table? Chico can have 2 or 3 sometimes.

Is there collusion from stables? Like hole card sharing, etc.

Is Party Poker reconsidering their 80% rakeback under the table deal with stables that may or may not be colluding and/or setting up bot rings?

Does Party Poker care about future growth or do they just want quick profit margins even if it means completely destroying their ecosystem?

If you have 3-5 Russian/Ukraine/Belarus regs/bots at every table, then your eco system will be completly destroyed. Gg party!

I firmly believe that while banning Eastern European countries would hurt these poker sites' bottom line in the short term; it would have a huge overall positive impact long term. The current bot environment on almost every major poker site is mainly comprised of Eastern Europeans. Protect your customers and your ecosystem. The current cash game ecosystem is not sustainable.

A better option is to hire more Eastern European programmers into the security department, with larger salaries than the averages for those countries. The dark side of the force wouldn't grow if the light side were lucrative enough.

Anyway, the country of birth is part of the genetic lottery, and that someone was born in a certain country and can't expatriate easily doesn't mean they must be a cheater.

Is it pretty much agreed upon that this is the case a large portion of the time between 10NL and 50NL limits?

That is worse than even Chico.

3 is when you lucky, and 4-5 is more the norm specially at non peak hours.....
they are particulary active 3am-10am in their tome zone mmmm

Typical, you completely ignore important discussion regarding bots, and continued suspicious play on your site and how it relates to future growth of poker.

I hardly think it's fair to say that PP are ignoring or have ignored the discussion, especially when you take into consideration all the in depth and lengthy discussions that have taken place previous to it being brought up again over the last few days.

PP have already answered to what's been raised in detail and expecting them to continue answering to the same questions/allegations repeatedly, just because someone new comes along and asks the same questions is unreasonable.

All that aside, this thread won't have a PP rep answering or responding to anything come the end of the month anyway so, everyone might as well get used to talking amongst themselves.

i never seen a clear answer on the eastern europe recent accounts. it s extremeley difficult to bring facts, as stats are harder to gather...mostly it s a feeling because none of this countries have a loosing players, and all the others have regs and fishes.
Actually russian are good poker players in general, but to the extent that NONE are loosing money at NL10 to NL 50, that s still a bit too much to be real don t you think ?

It's just like this before you get to about NL500. It does make sense that a lot of russians and ukrainians would play poker for a living since the average salaries are low and the population is big (Ukraine 45mill, Russia 144mill and eastern europe in total 292 mill). However, It does NOT make sense that the reg-to-reg-ratio is sooooo off. Also I think they have a different playstyle on average among other things.

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Kind regards

Colette

This is a pretty big claim to make without offering any evidence whatsoever. Maybe your right but also could just be a moron talking BS for all we know.

These countries are poor. Fishes can't afford to keep loosing, they simply stop playing.

Only winning players from these countries can afford to keep playing.

Iirc, Russia was the 6th biggest market for Stars in Q1 2018, according to their earnings call, and they value players rather for their deposits than the rake they pay.

I do see very weak Slavs at low stake Spin & Gos, just they can't afford to play higher stakes, but because they're numerous, the aggregate revenue that they bring to poker rooms is large and will increase if poker gets regulated here. Perhaps cash games are less popular with them because there's less room for gambling there.

Pokerstrategy is still full of blogs of Slav part-time players who maintain their real jobs and sometimes even play 'under influence' and aren't ashamed to tell the world about that

So the problem is rather with Party's catering to rakeback pros than with the lack of casual players.

The moron in question is one of the world's most experienced and involved coaches and strategy content producers of the last 10 years.

I also heard the same claim from a personal friend who has a different coach that offered him an 80% rake back link, and this coach also teaches how to collude by using 5 accounts to take money from the 6th account at 6 max tables.

You think if it's "under the table", that the party poker rep is going to fess up?

As for the bot ring/collusion ring, this should be common knowledge among the player pool, which is why I'm asking directly about it.

Also a site, which sells the most common poker bots, shows Party Poker as "low" rating for detection.

You do realize that poker reps are typically not going to publically admit to the allegations presented by myself and others? They are going to white wash it, play it down, obfuscate, and given politician-esque answers.

If they were serious about it, they would list 10 bullet points of how they are going to combat the bot infestation problem, and then provide ongoing and PUBLIC lists of known bot accounts, and security measures they are using to fight the problem.

There are some pretty simple fixes to prevent poker bots from infesting your site.

The reason it's not done is because bots give real profits to poker sites, while also taking man-power (having to pay for security) to fight them.

So in essence they are burning a pile of cash to hire experts whose job is to prevent higher cash flow.

But what poker sites don't take into account is the long term ecosystem. Regs and Recs are both getting more aware of the bot infestations happening on multiple sites throughout the world. And I for one would prefer putting my money on a site that is serious about keeping it bot infestation free, and collusion free.

You sell yourself like Alex Jones but don't write as good as him. This doesn't mean your claims are wrong but can anybody else vouch for you? The 6 max cheating claim sounds really obnoxious if true but isn't it next to impossible to get 5 accounts lined up to one other account on the same 6-max table?

The 5 account scam is not at party poker, but another site where
You can do it through VPN's and multi accounting

Stars and 888 have plenty of russian fish, on Party however there isn't a single one so excluding eastern europeans would improve the ecosystem a ton and would reduce botting by a huge margin.
But I don't think it is ever going to happen.

p0ker_n00b

That's sick, Stars is not included in the supported sites section, should it be more safe to play on? Also PLO seems to be not supported?

Party has Russian fish in PLO, so does Stars. In general, Russians are mostly pros nowadays, so fish is rare.