Great post, I am in live chat now and will voice my opinion. Essentially they have already created a precendece by changing their plans for mid stakes, which shows they agree there is a potential problem.

But as a 50nl player and a more LAG type player at that there change in effeective rakeback is just simply a huge reason for me to change to anotehr site possibly with better s/w and more fish.

I think we should coordinate this somehow, perhaps with a counter of how many people have contacted party so we can have a rough estimate of how large this voice is. Perhaps by making a seperate post/thread informing of people just of this. Any ideas?

Created a seperate thread here and perhaps will ask people from other 2+2 forums to voice their concerns and thoughts.

I would like the party rep to answer with whether their only aim was to encourage more recreational players to play by changing the rake method. If so there are clearly superior methods which wouldn't be a compromise but actually with selective promotions and keeping the deal rake method for regulars would benefit them more than this change would IMHO. I don't like threats as a means of negotiation, but unfortunately this is a serious reason to go to pokerstars/ongame/ipoker, that is just the reality of it, losing 33% of rakeback per month is a huge hit for me.

Do people think the other thread is appropriate, perhaps I should add a poll?

Basically, when I finish my current active bonus, I'm leaving for pokerstars since rakeback system will be ridiculous

By the way, weighted contributed is more fair system in my opinion, however its results are, as posted - less total rakeback, more money for pp, less money for players, ergo damaged site ecology and huge degradation of site competitiveness

^last time I'll mention it, but it's only fair *IF* for every dollar less I get, fish and looser players get $1. That's far from what's happening on party

Yes as essentially the fish will make more points then they used to, but are far less likely to wait until they have enough points for the decent valuable bonusses. They are also more likely to just take the instant cash options over the bonusses as well. Thus a huge defecit and resulting in party exploiting the regulars for the less points and giving only slightly more back to the fish.

Sounds like a greedy robin hood to me

However surely with the huge amount of players who will now reconsider and move sites, will they not make less money than before ?

At the end of the day its all about them making more money anways, so does anyone have an idea if they think that overall their new strategy will make more money. If so there is probably little point in trying to make them reconsider...

I just started playing on Party and noticed that when the pot is done, the total it says you won includes the last bet made even if it wasn't called. So two questions:

1) Is this amount also being raked?

2) Does anyone else find the system odd?

Party does not necessarily have to go back from a weighted contributed to a dealt pp calculation scheme. But if they are not changing back to the old system they should increase the rakeback percentages of their bonuses and/or increase the ev of their monthly promotions.

September's Accelerator promo is just a re-branded Snowball right? so rakeback % of the promo is pretty easily calculated. Assuming they run Card Rush again in October, what were the general thoughts on the promo. I wasn't around last October and there wasn't alot of info in this thread about it last year. Im just trying to figure out when I'm going to put in my play to finish up bonuses before moving on. Thanks

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Someone needs to show this ****ing thread to the potential Full Tilt investors.

Just logged on to Party for the first time since Thursday and played 0.50/1 PLO. The games are playing much looser than normal and not a single Paraguayan shortstacker in sight. Hope this is a sign of things to come.

If you want to bet against it as a hedge, let me know.

HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE ONLINE PLAYING RIGHT NOW?THX

350.

Anyone else suspect Party may be trying to loosen up the games to attract the tens of thousands of casual US players that they know are about to re-enter the market?

IS THAT 35K OR 350K CANT GET A SIMPLE ANSWER FROM PEOPLE

he seemed pretty clear to me, tree fiddy people online.

No. Rake change from Dealt to WC has historically had no significant effect on game quality.

USA legislation is a huge unknown and long-shot still for Party.

Most likely they made the change to charge more rake overall while it still being better than the Bwin essence system, as it's speculated the two networks will soon integrate.

What evidence do you base this statement on?

Hey guys, I heard it´s possible to have a security token on Partypoker. Unfortunately I´m way too stupid to find out how to get it . So could someone please tell me how I can get the token on party???

No. Multiple companies have swapped to weighted contributed now and its been shown to have no meaningful impact on game quality whatsoever. The earn rates of the top winners at FTP actually dropped following the change to weighted contributed. And think of the first few adjectives you imagine when talking about the iPoker games. Where does loose rank in that list?

Was just looking at the partypoker store and saw I could buy HEM for 1090 points (at gold level), am I right in thinking this is really good value since I don't already have it? Furthermore I assume the code is for one computer, and since I'm getting a new one in a few weeks I will want HEM on there. So can I purchase Hem + the code and use in a few weeks when i have the new computer, I would like to purchase now as I am currently gold and may not keep it up for august. Thanks

1090 points is worth $81.75 at the highest bonus conversion rate for gold status, HEM costs $90, or $55 for small-stakes only version, so it's an ok deal not amazing. you'd be throwing away a lot of $ if you ever hit palladium and buy bigger bonuses (buying HEM yourself might help you step up your game, play more tables and achieve this)

you can use the code on 2 computers

hi guys, i'm moving overseas from the US and now i will be able to play at party..
couple of questions

- are there rakeback programs with partypoker? if so, any links?
- how are the PLO games? i will be playing mostly 2/4 up to 5/10.. how many 6max and HU tables can you see on a weekday? weekend?

thanks!!!

Thanks for the reply!

Yeah, I was only really considering HEM because I am leaving partypoker in light of recent events and better offers for me elsewhere, so I wouldnt be purchasing the bonus, but rather the cash instead, which is obviously worse value. also, I only have 2.2k points, so I couldnt even get the 6k :P