Hi All,

We are very happy to have our first official 2+2 Poker thread! It has been a long ride for us to get here, but we're excited to bring something fresh and different to the poker community. We want to bring some important core values to the table and community with this thread. We are open to change, your feedback, and hearing things through. We're committed to providing a site with great customer support and an excellent security team.

We aren’t as slick as we should be yet, we aren’t as big as others out there, but we have a lot of ideas in development that should have a positive impact to the online poker community. Your input and feedback are all part of this process and we are open to change down the road.

GreySnowPoker is named in honour of the ‘Bah Kho-Je’ (the People of the Grey Snow); the Iowa Tribe of Oklahoma. Our first contribution to changing the culture of online poker is what we call ‘FairPlay’. It’s our core philosophy in creating more sustainable and transparent gaming for the community.

FairPlay Policy #1: Seating

The FairPlay Lobby prevents the use of seating scripts (the player pool cannot be previewed) and automatically seats players. Our system also makes hit-n-running a bad proposition for the Hit-n-Runner (more on that below).

FairPlay Policy #2: Fees

The FairPlay Service Fee is by far the most radical policy we’ve (literally) brought to the table: no more pay-per-hand rake. GreySnowPoker makes money by charging a 3% service-fee when you leave the table, no matter how much you sat down with. Leave with 2$ and pay 6 cents. Leave with 200$ and pay 6$.

We’re aware that this has the risk of feeling like a tax on winning (in many ways, it is). But consider the advantages:
• Micro stake games suddenly become beatable
• No urgency to beat-the-rake in shorthanded games (if humans can unlock the key to immortality, heads up can literally last forever without anybody rebuying)
• Loose play (the kind most recreational players enjoy) doesn’t result in paying more rake
• No less-than-double-up double-ups (it tilts casual players to double up with a full stack only to stare at 194 bb’s, or whatever is left after rake has been paid)
• Everybody has an incentive to play longer

And “everybody has an incentive to play longer” is the flip side of the way we discourage Hit-n-Running: somebody playing a long session only pays the FP Service Fee once, (when they leave the tables). Somebody Hit-n-Running multiple victims pays the service fee each and every time they disappear.

FairPlay Policy #3: Loyalty

GreySnowPoker's loyalty program is simple, generous, and non-hierarchical. We give back 1% of each player’s total buyin at the table. We also have a matching deposit bonus for up to $1,000 that does not expire – it’s released in increments and is relatively simple to clear.

In November we launched our first phase of guaranteed tournaments and daily freerolls. There have been significant overlays in our tournaments and we are looking to roll out our second phase of tournaments and freerolls in December.

I’m sure there will be a lot of questions and feedback, especially about our Fair Play Service Fee policy. Please don’t be shy. And once you give us a try, let us know what you think about GreySnowPoker’s debut.

www.greysnowpoker.com

Welcome to the forum.

Nice to see a site try something new in terms of rake. This type of rake program has always been debated so it will be nice to see how it plays out irl.

Sounds neat w the rake feature. Hope it succeeds. Any plans on USA residents?

Thank you, greatly appreciated. We are excited to see how this evolves as well!

Appreciate your reply Carl. At this time we have no plan for USA residents, however we have many new things coming through the pipeline that can be of interest for any player.

Thanks for your support.

Damn, got my hopes up.....

do u have PLO? are tables open forever? aren't you worried that your rake policy will prevent higher stakes action from going to your site?

It basically moded ACR room script if anyone cares about software.

What are expected withdraw time frames?

Yes we have Omaha cash games and the plan is to add more variants of poker games.

We have a healthy amount of care with the FairPlay service fee - as it is a fairly unique concept that will require constant re-assessment and feedback to get it right. It's not perfected, but it's a good start.

Service fees at higher stake games definitely have been discussed. Right now we are wanting to create a strong alternative to recs and the lower-stake games to allow players to build bankrolls without the concerns of rake being the invisible difference.

We want to cater to strong players and grinders as well, in which the service-fee model should give great benefits on top of our loyalty program and match-me bonus.

Our software will be changing a lot in the coming months.

Withdrawal times are 24-48 hours from the time of initiating the withdrawal; this gives the security team added time to evaluate and investigate any gaming integrity concerns for the players.

What's the plan to attract recreational players?

And why is the Netherlands blocked,

Country Blocked

UK is blocked

Yes, unfortunately we cannot offer services to UK at this time.

Netherlands is another one of the countries we cannot operate at this time. We are licensed by the Isle of Man but cannot provide services in other licensed jurisdictions or those we deem are high risk.

Part of the plan to attract recreational players is built upon the FairPlay philosophy: more sustainable ring games at micro stakes, better and simpler loyalty programs, and the negation of predatory like behavior.

Additionally, we have freerolls running every day, a host of guaranteed tournaments with overlays which we are expanding on. and more developments coming down the pipeline.

We are working with many affiliates and marketing entities to also build our network of both recs and grinders a like offering incentives to give us a try.

Really like the poker room. You just need some more MTT >20$ and bigger guarantees.

I have played on your room 1-2 weeks, deposits and withdraws are fast.

GL waiting december for more promotions.

What countries aren't u blocked in? Blocked in Cambodia also.

Hi BigBananas - we allow Cambodia; the list of allowed and not-allowed countries is extensive, I'll speak to someone to see if we can create a webpage with said info.

Please pm me your username if you have created an account and I will investigate to ensure you can log in. Thanks.

Hi RaiseToSurvive, we are very happy to hear that you have been enjoying our site!

I completely agree with you we need more MTTs, bigger buy-ins, and guarantees.

It is somewhat of a challenge since nearly all our guaranteed tournaments have massive overlays at this time! However, our Phase 2 tournament schedule will definitely provide a better playing experience and options.

Your reply is greatly appreciated and I'll ensure we have your feedback covered.

I tried to create acc, once i clicked like ok button or w/e after put in personal details - nothing happened just refresh the page.

Spoke to customer support and she said cambodia is blocked from playing there.

Do you accept customers from Ireland?

Withdrawal was approved in 24 hours.
So far so good.

Hi greysnowpoker,

What happens if you sit on a table and you leave after nobody has joined? Do you have to pay the 3% fee?

Or if a game breaks but you were the last player sitting?

Sorry BigBananas, it seems it was recently changed to block Cambodia from our allowed country list due to multiple reasons.

We operate in a lot of the 'grey' markets where laws don't prohibit online gambling and the like. As mentioned previously, I would like to set up a page on our site to cascade this information appropriately.

Thanks for your understanding.