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07-26-2010 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Zinger
To make money? It's the responsible thing to do. You don't just play 421 tables and lose 50k and chalk it up as variance. If you are responsible, you can go into January already comfortable with 24 tables. IMHO. Treat it like a business and you would be less stressful.
Yep. I'm not going to go into January just starting. I want to go in comfortable with what I'm doing. January is a great month for me personally, as I have that time for vacation. I need to pack in as much as possible then. I don't have time to learn the SNE ropes at that time, I will need to come in knowing the ropes, as may-june I'll get less volume due to my own personal schedule.

As for practicing for SNE in December, I don't mind doing it as, you know, I love poker. SNE wouldn't be "just" a job for me, it's also something I like doing.

That's the other reason to try to get SNE-ish volume before January - if I try it for a month and I just hate it, then well, I'm not even going to try. No sense doing something you hate. If I feel total burnout after a month, there's no sense in going for a whole year. If I feel like I enjoyed the time, then I'll head into January ready to go for it.
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07-26-2010 , 10:11 PM
Needbeer i don't mean to ask too personal of a question but, what is the medical condition keeping you from going out very much? If you have posted this before sorry if u have to repeat it, just very curious.
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07-26-2010 , 10:21 PM
icarus - He is battling cancer....which, of course, makes his volume and mega-tabling abilities all the more impressive and ridiculous.
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07-26-2010 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pro Merc
jeez modeling didn't work out for you or what?

new man-crush
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Originally Posted by jimmyvjv13
needbeer has to be the best looking SNE ever
*blushes*

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Originally Posted by SNE2010
? at the man love for Needbeer ITT, yet no comments about his hot girlfriend. I'm starting to wonder...

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
needbeer > antonius ..obv

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Originally Posted by MegaFossil
Hey NeedBeer, liking the blog so far. I was wondering if you could do a blog post detailing what an average day for you is like: how much do you sleep, when do you wake up, how many hours of poker is average, how long your sessions are, how long your breaks are, what you do during breaks, just stuff like that.
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Originally Posted by EddieOB
Needbeer - Nice blog - I'll definitely check that out. I'm sure you've explained this at some point....but you should write a blog about how you got into poker, how long you've been playing, what you went to school for or even if you attended college, what you'd be doing if not playing p-oker for a living etc. I'm just interested how someone builds up to playing 6 million hands in a year. GL man. I really like the part about the folder on your desktop for motivation on what you want out of life!
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Originally Posted by Nookx
+1 - Also go over the history of your beer addiction with us!
Absolutely, I can address all of these in my blog. And if anyone else has something they want to see more of, let me know.

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Originally Posted by r3fl3x
mb stupid question but why u still have hair needbeer?
thought ppl loose that in chemo
I'm not going through radiation treatments, which would cause hair loss. There are many different forms of chemotherapy. Chemotherapy by definition: Chemotherapy, in its most general sense, is the treatment of disease by chemicals especially by killing micro-organisms or cancerous cells.
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07-27-2010 , 12:15 AM
SNE wear and tear kicking in. I thought I had KK. Even if I did I would have lost.

PokerStars Game #47318974185: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10 USD) - 2010/07/26 21:18:14 ET
Table 'Alrami IX' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ZepHendrix ($2241 in chips)
Seat 2: nanonoko ($1083 in chips)
Seat 4: gregy20723 ($2267 in chips)
Seat 5: DerekJC9954 ($1000 in chips)
Seat 6: nutty04 ($560 in chips)
nanonoko: posts small blind $5
gregy20723: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ZepHendrix [8d Kd]
DerekJC9954: folds
nutty04: folds
ZepHendrix: raises $20 to $30
nanonoko: raises $80 to $110
gregy20723: folds
ZepHendrix: raises $125 to $235
nanonoko: raises $848 to $1083 and is all-in
ZepHendrix: calls $848
*** FLOP *** [9s Qc Jh]
*** TURN *** [9s Qc Jh] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [9s Qc Jh 9h] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
nanonoko: shows [Qh Qs] (a full house, Queens full of Nines)
ZepHendrix: shows [8d Kd] (a pair of Nines)
nanonoko collected $2174 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2176 | Rake $2
Board [9s Qc Jh 9h 6h]
Seat 1: ZepHendrix (button) showed [8d Kd] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: nanonoko (small blind) showed [Qh Qs] and won ($2174) with a full house, Queens full of Nines
Seat 4: gregy20723 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: DerekJC9954 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: nutty04 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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07-27-2010 , 01:03 AM
hurry up and delete that post, preserve the meta..

i misclick/misread so often, i'm sure half the regs think i'm tarded
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07-27-2010 , 01:14 AM
But that wasn't just one misread which I think is understandable. You apparently thought you had KK three different times there which I think is a quite a bit weirder. My misread experience is that I see that my AA is really A4 a millisecond after I raise it...or when the table comes back around to me and I am facing a re-raise.
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07-27-2010 , 01:20 AM
ive played hand all way to showdown thinkin i had something else pretty funny
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07-27-2010 , 03:36 AM
getting elite is such a grind

Thought it was as easy as ABC
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07-27-2010 , 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by A 1 i s h A
Thought it was as easy as ABC
I LOL'd...
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07-27-2010 , 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroBob
icarus - He is battling cancer....which, of course, makes his volume and mega-tabling abilities all the more impressive and ridiculous.
pretty sure he's winning from what i understand (against cancer not online poker)

gogo needbeer, you are one of the two short stackers i actually like
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07-27-2010 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmyvjv13
SNE wear and tear kicking in. I thought I had KK. Even if I did I would have lost.

PokerStars Game #47318974185: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10 USD) - 2010/07/26 21:18:14 ET
Table 'Alrami IX' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ZepHendrix ($2241 in chips)
Seat 2: nanonoko ($1083 in chips)
Seat 4: gregy20723 ($2267 in chips)
Seat 5: DerekJC9954 ($1000 in chips)
Seat 6: nutty04 ($560 in chips)
nanonoko: posts small blind $5
gregy20723: posts big blind $10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ZepHendrix [8d Kd]
DerekJC9954: folds
nutty04: folds
ZepHendrix: raises $20 to $30
nanonoko: raises $80 to $110
gregy20723: folds
ZepHendrix: raises $125 to $235
nanonoko: raises $848 to $1083 and is all-in
ZepHendrix: calls $848
*** FLOP *** [9s Qc Jh]
*** TURN *** [9s Qc Jh] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [9s Qc Jh 9h] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
nanonoko: shows [Qh Qs] (a full house, Queens full of Nines)
ZepHendrix: shows [8d Kd] (a pair of Nines)
nanonoko collected $2174 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2176 | Rake $2
Board [9s Qc Jh 9h 6h]
Seat 1: ZepHendrix (button) showed [8d Kd] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 2: nanonoko (small blind) showed [Qh Qs] and won ($2174) with a full house, Queens full of Nines
Seat 4: gregy20723 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: DerekJC9954 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: nutty04 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
I was always wondering how nanonoko made all his money
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07-27-2010 , 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroBob
But that wasn't just one misread which I think is understandable. You apparently thought you had KK three different times there which I think is a quite a bit weirder. My misread experience is that I see that my AA is really A4 a millisecond after I raise it...or when the table comes back around to me and I am facing a re-raise.
I seem to misclick-fold JJ preflop all the time. Anyone else?
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07-27-2010 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Sect7G
I was always wondering how nanonoko made all his money
By floping top set each time he goes all-in?
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07-27-2010 , 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Plauzee
Hey Steve,

I just mailed the support asking for two mails I have sent 3 and 5 days ago to the vipstore and the vipclub and havent heard anything from so far.
Now, I received an auto-answer saying my mail will be forwarded to a francophone specialist. The problem is: I'm German.
The only reason I can think of receiving this answer might be that I use the same email-adress for pstars.com and pstars.fr

I wondered it was possible to use the same email-adress at .fr, but need a different screenname. Hope I didn't crush your whole database...


842k VPP.
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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve
A little backed up right now, I hope to clear up a good bit of the congestion in the vipclub box today. We'll get back to you soon!
Hey Steve.
I was mailing to the .com-support and just received a mail referring to my pokerstars.FR account. The french support has ofc no clue about the questions I asked. Why should a silverstar ever ask about SNE-details..?!
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07-27-2010 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by PlauZee
Hey Steve.
I was mailing to the .com-support and just received a mail referring to my pokerstars.FR account. The french support has ofc no clue about the questions I asked. Why should a silverstar ever ask about SNE-details..?!
Yes, email routing for players with both .fr and .com accounts is a bit awkward at the moment. If you have questions about SNE details, you can PM me or post the questions in this thread and I'll be happy to answer.
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07-27-2010 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by dickkemp
LOL on my "fun days" it means playing something i want to, it could be anything from a shot take to SNGs or tournies. still my "fun days" are always poker, im such a lame ass.

and as for the adding tables, i think it is a good idea. wait just rechecked the math and 12 tabling is good esp with a winning winrate. the only reason i would think you should add more is to give yourself more free time but 8 hours a day 5 days a week is still way ahead of pace (except vpp rates are prbly lower than .5/h). will you be playing on stars the rest of the year? take a trial run and play around with adding tables see how much your winrate drops.

the break even winrate drop to add tables:
assuming vpp/h is .42 (what mine was)
and starting from SN every VPP is worth $0.10 (i dont include tournies with mine, those are free rolls)
every hand is worth $0.042 or about a 2.1bb/100h winrate
as 12 tabling you are playing 1080 hands at xbb wr. make x 1 for simplicity. you would be making 21.60 an hour in winrate.

every 100 hands an hour you add is worth $4.20 an hour in vpps.
21.6-4.2=17.4
$17.40 divided by 1180 hands ends up being a .74bb/100h wr needed to break even. 1280 hands is about a .52bb/100h wr.
18 tabling is roughly 1600 hands an hour. and in the extra 520 hands you get an hour in vpps that would be worth $21.84 meaning you could drop a full 1bb in your winrate and break even with the vpps.

that is math side of that. the realistic side is that we as multi tablers our winrates exponentially get worse, not in neat little easy to do math equations. but there is the math and not experimenting (continually) will lead to less $ and higher boredom and would be selling yourself short. if you do decide to add tables as an experiment though, do it slowly.

if you are playing on stars the rest of the year you have 5 months to experiment with what you are capable and comfortable with. if your main goal is SNE then you should sacrifice WR for VPPs. if it is $, do the math and see where you will make the most. if it is pride, take your time and crush some winrates. gl and happy hunting.
great post

:-)
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07-27-2010 , 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroBob
But that wasn't just one misread which I think is understandable. You apparently thought you had KK three different times there which I think is a quite a bit weirder. My misread experience is that I see that my AA is really A4 a millisecond after I raise it...or when the table comes back around to me and I am facing a re-raise.
No, I had KK on another table and when the action came up and nano had 3b my button open (go figure) I never looked back at my cards I was just like "KK, truuuueee". I was on a full 24 6m tables. I didn't even realize it when we were all in. The queen flopped (obviously) and I typed something like "always" because I thoguht I had been two outered. It wasn't till I pulled up the HH and was like "wtf, K8?" Anyways, even if I had KK I would have lost, god Nano run so goot.

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Originally Posted by Borys313
By floping top set each time he goes all-in?
There is no bigger box on the entire planet AINEC. Although he's one of the few people who will start tables with me so I like him nonetheless despite the fact that I fall victim to his God-like boxmode on a daily basis.
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07-27-2010 , 09:36 AM
I hear the luckbox comment about nano a lot and I truly think it's a kind of silly thing to say and is kind of an insult to him and his tremendous talent at the tables.
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07-27-2010 , 09:45 AM
What? He's obviously very good. I never said he wasn't. Saying he's a luckbox is only an insult if you choose to take it as one.

That being said, he also runs hotter than anyone I've ever seen and I've seen a lot.
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07-27-2010 , 10:00 AM
Anyone know if

http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/calculator/

is more or less accurate? It claims 40 hrs a week with 14 tables of 1-2 will get you to SNE.

Tried some more 14 tabling and didn't like the results, went back to 8-10 tables and noticed an immediate improvement in my game, but ugh... there's no way I can do 60 hours a week of poker and have a "real job."
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07-27-2010 , 10:09 AM
SW, the pokerstars calc overestimates VPP/ hand BIG TIME.

Check out fpppro.com for basically any information on SNE. Use the VPP / hand and do some calcs yourself, they are way more accurate than the stars calc.
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07-27-2010 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmyvjv13
SW, the pokerstars calc overestimates VPP/ hand BIG TIME.

Check out fpppro.com for basically any information on SNE. Use the VPP / hand and do some calcs yourself, they are way more accurate than the stars calc.
Okay, thanks for the warning.

Here goes.

According to HEM I get .44 VPP per hand, and it looks like I can expect what... 70 hands per hour per table (just took the average of a casual glance at the tables currently)? That's 30.8 per table per hour. You need 19,230 points per week to get SNE.

Playing 40 hours a week, that means you need about 480/hr, or 15-16 tables@30.8 an hour.

Is something wrong with my maths? It seems pretty close to what the pokerstars calculator told me.

Obviously this assumes going nonstop for 8 hours with no breaks/start up time/etc. which would never happen (for me anyway).

I'll peek over at fpppro and see what they suggest.
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07-27-2010 , 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by starvingwriter82
Anyone know if

http://www.pokerstars.com/vip/calculator/

is more or less accurate? It claims 40 hrs a week with 14 tables of 1-2 will get you to SNE.

Tried some more 14 tabling and didn't like the results, went back to 8-10 tables and noticed an immediate improvement in my game, but ugh... there's no way I can do 60 hours a week of poker and have a "real job."
The PokerStars VIP Calculator is based on real data from the tables. The current information is from February. I sent over information earlier today from late June to update the calculator with new information.

Actual player experience will vary depending on the number of hands played per hour and game conditions when you play. If you always leave tables when they get down to 7 players, for example, you won't have your fair share of shorthanded play mixed in so you won't have as high of a rate. Players who defend their blind more often, generally play looser, and table select for looser tables also earn higher VPP/hand rates.

The sitewide numbers for 1/2 NL during the last week of june are 0.421967 FPP/hand at full ring and 0.524535 at 6max, but you're better off using your actual number found in HEM.
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07-27-2010 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by starvingwriter82
it looks like I can expect what... 70 hands per hour per table (just took the average of a casual glance at the tables currently)?
You won't get this many hands/hour because of the time it takes to ramp up your # of tables and close them down. You can probably get close(ish) if you play really long sessions as the effects of starting/ending are minimized, but I'd recommend you use a more conservative number for your calculations/planning.
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