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i've had this explained in very little detail before but i wondered if one of you guys could answer this.

At what point/VIP level/#VPP's does does stars become more profitable in terms of RB/Bonuses or w/e you want to call it than the standard 27% at FTP.

FWIW, if i can find a way of not playing FTP's horrible software/support then i will.

EDIT: I think the freerolls are cool, but i think they should make them a little more profitable to play by increasing the prizepool a little or something.

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12-31-2008 , 08:58 AM

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ChrisTC

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 267

I wouldn't mind playing that 50K freeroll once a week on the side. But why the f can any old busto fish satellite into the Supernova freeroll?
I would imagine the fields being considerably smaller if the freeroll were for Supernovas only. Why do we have to share "our" freeroll with Silver Stars and whatnot?

Then again, I don't even know how many of those satellites run and how much of a difference it would make, never really looked into it. But with about 1,600 players, the value of each SN freeroll is only around $30.

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12-31-2008 , 09:01 AM

#28

Muskelbiber

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 176

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Originally Posted by steel108

Get rid of the freerolls and give other benefits for cash game players.

this!

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12-31-2008 , 09:12 AM

#29

Ducatisti

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 422

200nl 6max = 0.46 Vpp's/hand for me

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12-31-2008 , 09:20 AM

#30

BK1248

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,773

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Originally Posted by jlost88

have a total rake race for cash game grinders at each level or total for month.

this would be cool

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12-31-2008 , 10:03 AM

#31

1p0kerboy

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Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 11,797

For those who aren't aware:

Fractional VPPs will be introduced in February or March. Nobody knows what the structure is at this point, and there is a chance that they might just be for the micro games.

Scotty said he hasn't heard back about proposed changes to the VIP program for 2009 yet. We're hoping to hear if anything has changed on January 1st.

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12-31-2008 , 10:06 AM

#32

1p0kerboy

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Originally Posted by Danger Dave

I would want to bitch about the freerolls, but how do you feel about them now?

I think the status quo is horrible.

Either add more money to them or get rid of them. Unfortunately, everybody else seems to want one or the other, and that's probably the reason that Stars decided to just leave them alone.

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12-31-2008 , 10:57 AM

#33

CountingMyOuts

adept

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 901

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Originally Posted by TheRaiderr

make goldstar = FTP rb

reward lower tiered players

Yep. Do this and I leave FTP.

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12-31-2008 , 11:02 AM

#34

fnord_too

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Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 29,116

I have set up a sick spreadsheet for 2009 tracking. It computes things like RB on MGR and Actual, and pro rates milestone bonus by VPP earned per game (e.g. 3/6 6M LHE).

What is all this about fractional VPP? It would be so awesome if I could actually get VPP when I play HU (low stakes) and pay a ton of rake.

So, I doubt I will actually go for SNE in 2009, since I need a lot of things to go right and wrong. (Going right is poker type stuff ldo, going wrong is still not finding a new job). But whatever the case, I am prepared to quantify everything!

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12-31-2008 , 11:02 AM

#35

fnord_too

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Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 29,116

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Originally Posted by 1p0kerboy

For those who aren't aware:

Fractional VPPs will be introduced in February or March. Nobody knows what the structure is at this point, and there is a chance that they might just be for the micro games.

Scotty said he hasn't heard back about proposed changes to the VIP program for 2009 yet. We're hoping to hear if anything has changed on January 1st.

Oh.

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12-31-2008 , 11:26 AM

#36

chesterboy

adept

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,021

Can someone tell me the rakeback % for a 10/20 fixed limit player that hits SNE?

Stars if you can change the program to make elite worth 70% rakeback you will get my 10k mgr next year.

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12-31-2008 , 12:07 PM

#37

Cards201

enthusiast

Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 80

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Originally Posted by ImPokerStar

I wonder this too... Hopefully someone can explain this to us.

Anyone?

Thanks.

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12-31-2008 , 12:36 PM

#38

Gerv

Formerly Giantian

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,325

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Originally Posted by 1p0kerboy

For those who aren't aware:

Fractional VPPs will be introduced in February or March. Nobody knows what the structure is at this point, and there is a chance that they might just be for the micro games.

Scotty said he hasn't heard back about proposed changes to the VIP program for 2009 yet. We're hoping to hear if anything has changed on January 1st.

Any sources in means of URLs that you know this ? I like to know where did you get these things from.. cant find it on a website or sth so any help would be appreciated

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12-31-2008 , 12:36 PM

#39

zachvac

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 13,775

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Originally Posted by Kos13

LOL...this means it's going to drop to like .40 in January when a thousand people start chasing SNE (and still feel motivated to set a good pace). Yikes.

Well idk I'm assuming it'll be similar to this month since all the grinders trying to make milestone bonuses and last-minute sne were out. I'm hoping that middle of the year it's up to ~.45-.47 again but I think it's better not to plan and assume that.

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12-31-2008 , 01:11 PM

#40

1p0kerboy

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Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 11,797

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Originally Posted by Giantian

Any sources in means of URLs that you know this ? I like to know where did you get these things from.. cant find it on a website or sth so any help would be appreciated

Make me do work and stuff.

Scotty says fractional VPPs will be introduced in early 2009.

Scotty says fractional VPPs will be introduced in either February or March.

Alex confirms that fractional VPPs will be introduced.

Scotty has submitted proposed VIP changes to upper management.

Scotty has not heard back from management on proposed changes.

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12-31-2008 , 01:29 PM

#41

meow_meow

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,166

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Originally Posted by chesterboy

Can someone tell me the rakeback % for a 10/20 fixed limit player that hits SNE?

Stars if you can change the program to make elite worth 70% rakeback you will get my 10k mgr next year.

ummm....you need to put in about 200k MGR to make it to elite...

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12-31-2008 , 01:37 PM

#42

smartalecc5

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Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 7,023

Wow, fractional would be sick. a 500k level or even 600k level would be sick. Im not an rediculous either a)cash game brainddead 20 tabler or b)a hi stakes sng player. Therefore, it is impossible for me to reach 1m fpps.

Anything would be most appreciated.

ALSO, LET US KNOW WHEN 2x VPP WEEK IS SO WE CAN SCHEDULE FOR IT FFS!

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12-31-2008 , 03:28 PM

#43

mephisto

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 5,372

Someone asked earlier at what point does a certain VIP level = and then exceed the 27% at FTP?

I haven't been following prior stars discussions so I really don't know much about the fractional vpp plan. Is this stars' response of bringing more value to non-supernova players?

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12-31-2008 , 06:53 PM

#44

Simplicity8

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,499

Is there going to be no changes from last year to this year's (2009) VIP Club besides partial VPPs?

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12-31-2008 , 07:00 PM

#45

zachvac

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 13,775

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Originally Posted by Simplicity8

Is there going to be no changes from last year to this year's (2009) VIP Club besides partial VPPs?

Not sure anyone here (including Scotty) knows that yet.

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12-31-2008 , 07:15 PM

#46

TheRaiderr

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 3,055

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Originally Posted by ImPokerStar

when you include FTP rb + ftp points + iron man you would need to be hitting supernova milestone levels for it to start to overtake it(like 300K milestone etc). I don't know which milestone is the tipping the point.

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12-31-2008 , 07:16 PM

#47

LotsOfOuts69

3+1 Commish

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,371

I think they are 45 mins from new years, I dont think anyone is working on anything.

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12-31-2008 , 07:28 PM

#48

Danger Dave

centurion

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 118

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Originally Posted by 1p0kerboy

Even just moving them some random week night would be better imo. Perhaps we could just push for that. If they are going to keep them anyways, maybe Tuesday or Wednesday night (games aren't the best at those times general, worse on avg. compared to Sat. afternoon.

Maybe monday nights, donk-a-ment + Monday Night Football + beer = good break from the grind.

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12-31-2008 , 07:32 PM

#49

Jro34

grinder

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 405

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Originally Posted by TheRaiderr

im pretty sure your way off on this. the simple fact that each ftp is worth 1/5of each FPP is the main reason.

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12-31-2008 , 07:40 PM

#50

Rick Diesel

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Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,745

Want it on record that I am going for 200k VPPs this year. I know that is weak compared to many, but i also have a full-time job. For the record, I got 62k VPPs in 2008.

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