uh oh. someone has a clue.


these droolers will never understand this because some of them will inevitably run hot over some laughably small sample and use those results to justify their shockingly poor logic

nah nvm i changed my mind, bumhunters aren't the best. ya, they have the biggest bank accounts and consequently the best lives but they're def not the best. this bro is the best...

only reason isildur lost all that money is because he played the best players in the world day in and day out in a game hes not very good at... im sure guys like sauce and galfond are bumhunters too.

ps: im a bumhunter, doesnt mean you have a clue.

so you're saying he's "not very good" at plo and nlhe but good at draw games? galfond seems to think the polar opposite but i'm sure you know better somehow

your credibility has hit an all time low so from now on your posts will be given the same attention as advertisements

you obviously know next to nothing about the variance of playing the best players in the world everytime you sit down.

youre basically trying to say youre better than isildur at poker, which is hilarious.

both isildur and all the egotards who perpetuate this myth about what does and doesn't need to happen to keep the poker economy healthy deserve nothing but sympathy, as they are pathetic degenerates who clearly are not capable of understanding the objective of this game

the objective of the game is what you make it.

some people want to have fun and gamble, some want to make money, some want to be the best in the world or play the best.

I'm personally over having fun at cards or trying to be the best so I just try to win the easier money when I can, but I would never be delusional enough to make myself believe I'm a better poker player than the nosebleeders who would crush 10-20 and 25-50 24/7 if they had to.

this may strike you as exceedingly obvious (i hope) but if you don't "make" winning $ the objective then you are, by definition, a fish

My objective has always been to make money. Good table selection is right at the top of the list of reasons I've consistently made good money playing poker for the better part of a decade.

I have no issues with table selection, bumhunting, or whatever else you want to call it. I've never once said that you have to start tables (I exclusively bumhunt 1knl+) or you have to keep games going after the fish leaves (I'm constantly leaving OK games for better games on 888 because I like money).

I only have a problem with scummy behavior. You can use your "the objective of poker is to make money" line all you want to justify table camping, sitting out when a fish sits out, seat hopping, grimming, etc., but that doesn't make it any less unethical.

My questions to 888 are probably asked before, but there are over 200+ pages here and I'm new here. So forgive me if this is asked and answered before. I always wonder about two things at 888, which someone hopefully can help me with:

1st: Why is it that when you are down to 9 players in a FR MTT, there are still a couple of hands played at two tables instead of merging them to the FT as soon as the FT bubble bursts?

2nd: Why isn't it possible to make a deal at the final table?

Anyone who can answer this for me? Thanks!

You gotta accept things as they are at 888, because they won´t change.

Sorry if this has already been asked, but I didn't see it in a quick scan of recent posts.

This keeps happening (only recently)
- I join a waiting list
- A few seconds later I get a popup saying a seat is open (it's not)
- I'm removed from the waitlist

Is this a well known problem? Is there a workaround?

Thanks

These aren't my rules btw. It's an issue that people have complained about for a while now and 888 have decided to take action. I can only assume that they agree that table camping and sitting in and out when a fish sits out is bad for the longevity of the games and unlike people in this thread 888 are ignoring short term results and looking at the bigger picture.

And pretty much all of this.

I just recieved this reply Arnie,

The purpose of the tables is for players to play and not sit-out waiting for weaker players. We use reasonable judgment in determining "camping" as per this simple guideline.

We have been monitoring the tables and taking appropriate steps to address the issue with offenders.

Any suggestions as to how we can continue to make the poker environment better for our members will be listened to and considered.

Thanks,

888rep

please explain exactly how your personal definition of table selection & bumhunting is any less "unethical" (and by what fairytale standards) than using the sit out feature and moving seats when available

take advice from people who think before they speak, not those who spew their pre teen emotions onto this forum

also, please tell your supervisors that players like me who make you endless thousands in rake every week literally do not even have enough time to take a **** before being kicked off tables because of the ludicrous 3 orbits at 6max tables rule. maybe at full ring this is enough, but at 6max it needs to be closer to 5 or 6 orbits.

here's a crazy thought. consider hiring someone who has actually been in the trenches of online poker since the beginning and has judgment superior to the drooler egotards who post their "hurrrrrr HU or else" drivel and especially superior to whatever business suits you seem to have currently managing your online poker room (and very poorly at that)

you might wanna eat more fiber if you cant take a **** without getting kicked

lolol

I have this problem for years now, it doesn't seem that the 888 software guys are able to solve this problem....

I know that they do not change a lot. But dealmaking and merging tables shouldn't be that difficult...

888rep: could you please answer my questions?

1. Sorry but 888 don't get involved in deal making and as far as I am aware there are no plans to do so but that doen't mean that it won't become a feature at some point in the future.
2. I should imagine that it takes that long for the software to kick in so to speak but I will send your concerns to them for points 1 and 2.

Regards

888rep

I wouldn't put those two things in the same category.

There are bugs in table balancing and table merging that need to be fixed. The software already exists to do these things but it does them incorrectly. It should be easy to correct and should be a priority.

Deal making would be a new feature which would pull resources from other more pressing tasks. IMO, the need for deal making is a symptom of an undesirably steep final table payout structure. Can't the problem be solved simply by changing this? It wouldn't be hard for 888 to survey players that play MTTs and find out what they think and make adjustments.

As for your comment about the waiting list bug: what zac is describing is a new bug (for about a month), not the old waiting list bug (can't sit in the open seat) which has been around for years and years.

Thanks for the reply, it's appreciated!

Or get a laptop like me.

or just have 888 adjust the times to be more like PS/FTP obviously? should not be this difficult to mimic the sites that are clearly miles ahead of everyone else