Forget Czech Raiser.

I think your right. New Jersey will become the Online Poker Capital of America. Good thread you have going. Enjoying it.

It's undoubtedly a great city in many ways, as the US is a great country. The best example? Not wanting to make this into a political thread, I'll just say that I think that a case could be made for several other countries as well.

Besides, unless it gets turned into one giant building, it will never be the "Capitol" of anything.

This country going intrastate route is so ridiculous imho (but for now I guess it is better than nothing). I can tell you this much. As a neighbor resident of NY, imho, I would first move OUT of the country as a whole before moving to your state within it. Why? As many already are cognizant of, it is called real player traffic and liquidity. Unless player traffic (liquidity) becomes serious on the level of international sites like pokerstars (making it worthwhile for professionals or semi-ones to live and devote time), I will not hold my breath or migration patterns just yet to your state. Ironically, I think the very high stakes players this may be the one boon as an exception. Instead of staying in rooms at Borgata playing to play their high NL cash games, they will now meet online. Ergo, things may not turn out how you think they will. But we shall see. Maybe I am wrong. Hope so for all our sakes. Sometimes naive hope though is a cruel thing.

I know. And everyone loves their country. And there are some fantastic cities in the world with wonderful people and way more history. But if this goes the way it is supposed to and should, in 5 years I could be living in a state where it is legal and profitable to play poker online, within a short drive to one of the best poker rooms in the country (with possibly more to be built), and near the largest and most diverse city in a kick-ass country that gave the world freedom, individualism, and Capitalism.

This is a good combination for a potential poker capitol. I hope it happens. But if it doesn't, I still have the Borgata and New York. So I'm already a pretty happy poker player.

If it does happen, could the WSOP 2020 take place in Atlantic City?

No, I agree. It could all go the wrong way. But we have an entry in the Kentucky Derby. I'm looking forward to the race.

I want to add something I said earlier about this whole thing being not what may turn out as planned. The politicians, imho, are doing this in partnership with the casino corporate interests and lobbying groups all in the name of protecting their monopolies against encroachment from all angles. Idk but did Borgata among other big whigs though try to anticipate if and how online poker among their bread and butter high stakes players may go and stay less at their hotel and resort now in contrast to just meet and play online? That may have huge impact on room drop etc... Maybe the other game gamblers more than make up for the resort drop. But then again, Cris Cristi could care less now as he got what he wanted from them - money and support for another 4 years and then presidential possible bid, lmao. Maybe if this backfires and the casinos cry foul, they will come around to support and be the profitable pipes for a national network. This though may be in fact a naive thought too. We shall see how it all pans out.

Our first wrinkle:

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/n...a4bcf887a.html

Hopefully this has not caused an application delay, but it seems like it would.

Very interesting thread and insight. If I may add, was funny to see the posts slamming NJ, twenty years ago, I thought the same. Couldnt be farther from truth, not as bad as thought. I had to give up the resentment of giving up Cape Cod for half the year, Palm Beach the other. Im stuck here 20 years, its great in some ways But for the subject here, couldnt be better for players to come back home.
I am thrilled with the comeback of online poker here. Not everyone that played full time was able to leave the country. Kids, family, houses, responsibilities require hands on. I do not think federal legislation plan is gone.
I know it will not have the liquid pools of old days, but if I can get zillion hours in one day, playing, with some bonus and chance to do events or experiences with the Atlantic City Casinos, FOR NOW that would excite me happy camper style.
I play down there live 1-3 days a week, but for the days where I cant, multi tabling in comfort of home seems great again, grateful. In my case, I believe it will increase my AC visits, but maybe not everyone.
I am there, and will be online right from the start, say hello. Sorry for long post, but I wrote when 75th at New Jersey Red Light, Cya

Marc
This in NO way will cause a delay, both sides had agreed to long ago, it was even written into the agreement. All Set, I almost promise....I know more on this part, but it looks like delay, BUT NO WAY, they all knew of this situation , in agreement

While I am sure there will be millions of wrinkles down the road, this should not be one of them. All parties knew of this and were in agreement long ago. I know for two weeks I was trying to figure out why the two people would not fight this, figured they got paid, or were actually criminals who did not want to hurt the process...but its worse than criminals, they are married to each other with too much money, silly kids. But they are all aware of the situation, and the situation is resolved and agreed upon, actually well before Borgata getting the first permit. No problem, now I know, bell, Biv, Devoe

yea that is not so encouraging unfortunately...I'm a NYer and and have many family and friends in NJ and I am excited about the potential of this new law passing. Hopefully these wrinkles don't multiply and drag out.

Some more idle but seductive speculation. If New York votes today to expand casino gambling, there is strong speculation that New Jersey would eventually fight back with a casino or casinos in the Meadowlands. How amazing would that be? Grind station in Rutherford, Casino(s) in Secaucus, Manhattan a 30 minute train or car trip.

Casinos in NY will be a good thing if you live in NJ and want to play online. Can you imagine the online poker traffic a NJ/NY compact would have. I think if today's vote passes, online poker in NY will be a matter of when, and not if.

From your lips to the poker god's ears. Unfortunately, I am not holding my breath. I would turn blue as a smurf by then.
On another note, there some casinos that are legally doing business in the state. I think this vote is just about allowing more to be built upstate. What is the connection between more brick and mortar casinos getting established and built in ny with possibly increasing chances of online poker? If anything, on the surface I would think it may put off the likelihood all the more as these new casinos want to protect their physical investments, literally. That is just my take.

First of all, I have lived in southern New Jersey just outside of Philadelphia (40 minutes from Atlantic City) for 28 years now. It is a great state in so many ways. If you have never been here and just "assume" it sucks than you have no idea what you're talking about.

I am excited about the opportunity this will bring for us American players in general! We need/deserve the right to play again, and if it has to happen in small steps then so be it.

The one thing I don't really understand as I am reading through all of the previous posts... When Pokerstars or any of the other internationally acclaimed sites go live in NJ on November 26th does that mean we can only play against other members within the NJ limits? Or, will we have access to all of the other countries that Pokerstars serves?

The legal casinos are Indian casinos in upstate or slot parlors. This vote was to allow 7 Las Vegas style full casinos in NY state and after 7 years 3 of them will be in NYC. This is much different than what we have now. This is actually pretty big news. What does approving full casinos have to do with eventually allowing online gambling? If I even have to answer that...well. Is there any state approving online gambling that doesn't also have B&M? No! Don't you think approving B&M is a first step to eventually getting online?

No international pools yet, if you play pokerstars it will be a pool of players who have opened accounts at Resorts NJ. They all will be fighting for market share here. Welcome, good luck

Hope it isn't confined to NJ players, but have a feeling that that may be the case starting off.

On the other hand, why wouldn't Pokerstars want to include US players in full online? They're going to be including and welcoming online players from all over the globe to Resorts when they host tournaments, makes sense to do the same to US players...

Now that we are going to be able to play online on the 26th, does it mean New Jersey will be merged with Nevada?

I think the much better question is, is there any timeline that NJ will merge their player pools with ROW?

No. States are standalone.

Until US government passes a law legalizing poker and/or online gambling or the states agree to combining player pools, it is a state by state proposition.

In all cases it can only be done through legislation. Politics as usual.

Just to expand on highlighted bit, some of the States that are legalising online gambling are already rumoured to be talking about sharing liquidty...

"Delaware also intends entering into agreements with other states to increase the player pool, and in view of its size it views such agreements as important to its success" Source

"At last count, about 917,000 people call Delaware home. That ranks 45th out of the 50 states in terms of population. Quite tiny, and hardly enough to sustain a viable online poker regime on its own. For that reason, state officials have communicated with Nevada and New Jersey gaming honchos in hopes of forging interstate compacts to increase player liquidity." Source

There's probably loads more information out there - I'm not saying any of the above are the best / most reliable source(s), these were just the first few I came across. Also don't forget that earlier this year, the Nevada Assembly Judiciary Committee also passed Assembly Bill 114 to allow Nevada to enter into partnerships with other states that legalise iGaming in order to share player pools.

A pretty good article giving views from industry bigwigs can also be found here

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Bingo! My understanding is that the answer to both of your questions are Yes, only other intrastate poker players and maybe between other states that poker "treaties" you connect with like legal ones in NV and Deleware where it is legal online and No, but see answer to first question.

No, see my answer to bermuda and some other posts on this page. NY is not approving anything about online poker. A good example that unfortunately breaks your theory is Pennsylvania for instance. They have built brick and mortar full casino(s) like the Sands too but is that state anywhere closer to any bill for its online poker? I do not believe so. Unfortunately, for now only brick and mortar poker (better than nothing of course) will be in NY but more importantly as far as online poker until legal in the state - nada, zippo. If these casinos like tradionally in other states gain power, I do not blame them to try to keep their monopolies in tact if that is the way to protect and maximize their own investment to outside interests. Maybe it will not turn out this way, but do not get your hopes up. If I were to decide completely now determined to devote full time to online poker as a career, regardless of any of this, I would have already moved outside the country if not maybe as distant second - moved physically to Vegas. If one is that serious, like many pros out there, they are not waiting for the US to get its act together and are moving on literally.

Thank you, my favorite Uncle!

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