Quick everyone start freaking out lol.

I went to the private dinner meeting with 9 other players and the 2 Poker Stars Reps. First off let me say i felt way unqualified to be at that meeting compared to the accomplishments of the other players there. But the main point of discussion on the left side of the table was how to attract the casual player back into playing online poker. We agreed that the best option is through P2P transfers. The problem is NJ does not allow this yet because the government is afraid of money laundering. If Poker Stars ever gets a "seat at the table". This is something they would lobby hard for.

Any talk about VIP tiers/RB?

No numbers yet for rewards program bc they don't know their bottom line yet. Also doesn't seem like Oct 1 is very realistic.

Did they discuss what was a realistic time line Nov 1st?

lol of course you would ask this

Don't ask about the product, or how much the product will cost...skip right to the part where you ask the % discount you will receive buying the product

best case scenario was mid to late October

you are probably the best possible person that could have attended, the last thing we would want is to have all rakeback pros there

With all due respect (congrats for being a part of the 'planning committee')... that might be one of the silliest things I've ever heard. A 'casual player' does NOT do P2P transfers, that is just ridiculous.

This is what we get for having "regs" sit in on these meetings. P2P transfers are what THEY care about, NOT US!!!!!!!!!

The best way to attract the casual player is to make it easy to deposit and withdraw, it's just that simple.

P2P transfers... that's all you could come up with? Good grief.

P.S. And while I'm on my soapbox... CHANGE THE DAMN US TAX CODE FOR AMATEURS. When amateur casual players realize the implications of not being able to "net" your wins/losses... THEY WON'T PLAY ANYMORE. I know, because I'm one of them. With accurate record keeping and the "regulated" blessing of our idiotic government... there should be ZERO reason why we can't net wins/losses over a calendar year and pay income tax on the difference.

If they won't do that, then amateurs won't play in vast numbers. The only reason they played in vast numbers pre-BF is because most either didn't file income tax properly, or they weren't winning players and didn't get to see just how much of a bite the IRS takes. I had a winning year at the poker tables and after taxes, I lost money for the year! That's how awful and absurd and utterly unfair the US Federal Tax Code is for amateur gamblers.

Alizona I disagree. When I eventually built up my bankroll on Poker stars. I use to give very casual poker playing friends anywhere from 10-50$ just to try out the site that were interested . P2P transfers eliminate the use of having to deposit for those who do not want to. …. And to the tax code i agree but i don't know how a meeting is going to solve that one.

Please tell me an easier way of getting money on a site than P2P transfers...

Relax. I was there. There was plenty of conversation around casual players, and making deposits easy and solving geolocation frustrations.

What are you talking about? What about the product its either Client 6 or beta 7 both you can go look up online this question is a waste of time. How much the product will cost? Umm what? Can we have a mod ban this guy he brings nothing constructive to the conversation aside from personal attacks on everyone he doesn't agree with. Tbh i don't really care about anything outside of VIP tier and entry date. They will run promos like everyone else.

In regards to how to get more casual rec players to join. Make all your tables anon and gut your VIP tiers so regs dont want to play pretty easy concept bovada and merge did it and the fish are very prevalent. To build on this only thing Stars will do differently to bring in rec players is marketing.

Don't understand why people are chastising this guy for getting invited. Go flame Stars on another forum if you don't like his answers for not inviting you noobtards and pipes the ultimate troll of NJ poker.

Whether you are a pro or a rec player, If you dont write off your loses for the year up to the amount of your wins I strongly suggest you find a new tax professional.


http://www.irs.gov/uac/Newsroom/Five...e-and-Losses-1

There won't ever be P2P transfers in NJ, or likely any US jurisdiction.

You can use skrill or paypal have to pay a small service fee but its a legit work around.

There might be if it is capped at a certain $ limit.. Poker Stars wants it as easy to transfer money between playersas it was pre black friday…. They currently do not have the lobbying power yet to make this happen though.

I've met with regulators from NJ and California. I've had this discussion, and unlike other things, this is a complete non-starter. They are deathly afraid of transfers.
I suppose with time, technology and understanding it could change, but I would bet against it anytime in the near future.

I don't understand why player transfers are considered a big deal here. If you have fast deposit and withdraw options why does it matter? You can send money in tons of ways instantly, no? PayPal, bank transfers, neteller, etc. also, with fast and reliable deposits and withdraws you don't have to worry about using transfers to facilitate those actions.

Serious question: what is the advantage of p2p transfers?

You might be right but it was a way for me anyway before black friday to give money to non poker playing friends to try out online poker with out them having to give out credit card numbers or bank account numbers online. Believe it or not some people are tentative about that.

Yea i think it has a lot to do with convenience. Many of my rec friends wouldn't blink an eye and give me $20-$50 cash to get a xfer on stars to play a little. But now in the US none will go thru the small hassle of depositing online with their card etc. Obviously doesn't make much sense to use but I think that's how most rec players work.

agreed. This is the point i was trying to make. The convenience is un matched in any other deposit method. This especially true for first time online poker players. All the first time player had to do on PokerStars is give their friend their username and boom money in their account instantly. If they then liked their experience online they would then go through the steps to deposit in other methods.

The August Numbers are in. FLAT.

NJ Online Poker - $2.2 million. NJ Casino Games - $8.3 million. UP 4.7% over July.

Accounts: 431,637 UP 6.5%

Players: 72,000 Based on each player having approximately 6 accounts.

Poker Players: 14,400???????????

What will 'Stars add to these numbers?

So today i switched back to verizon fios from that god awful **** pile optimum online. last straw for optimum was an hour and a half internet outage last thursday around 6pm. along with their overall product/cs being less than fios in my experience.


any way **** me b/c for some reason using my desktop i cant get wifi location verified (wifi loc verif is nj's ipoker biggest problem imo) on WSOP or Party. But i can get loc verified on borg and 888 though.

im sure ill work it out/it will work itself out but so annoying.

go to whatismyipadress.com and make sure it is coming from your hometown or the town over if you live close to the town border