Hi Everyone,

If the mods could keep this as a separate thread for the benefit of players on ACR, I'm sure we'd all appreciate it.

Here is a list of bots that I have encountered playing small stakes PLO. Feel free to add to this list, and even for NL players.

_s* - HU PLO 25 and 50

ju* - HU PLO and 50

HO* - HU PLO 25 and 50

Ob* - 6 Max PLO

In* - PLO 25 6 max and FR

Ca* - PLO 25 6 max FR

im* - PLO 25 6 Max and FR


I'll add more as I encounter them. Maybe if we continue to blast ACR support with this list, they might do something about it? Pfffffahahaha.

Anyway, I hope this helps anyone interested in knowing.

You better post some stats or your list is pretty worthless.


This is how you do it, and you need a nice sample of hands. At the very least start with 1k hands if not way more.

I don't use a HUD unfortunately. They all have the same timing and betting patterns. They are absolutely bots.

lulz

Just trying to help. Doesn't take a genius to spot these guys.

If it doesn't help you...oh well.

Yeah, I'm not quite so sure.

So basically, they're bots because you say they are? Can you not see the problem with this? Basically, you'd like to have an "Official" (I don't think that word means what you think it means) thread where people just throw up names, and that's good enough for them to be officially declared bots?

Not sure why you're reposting what appears to be the same list a few hours later.

And I'm sure people appreciate that. But...

It's not really that simple. It's not like allowing lists like this can only be a positive, so they should be allowed no matter what.

How did you check their timing and betting patterns to determine they're all the same?

I want to know who the following players truly are

1) scoopjackson9
2) createmyownenergy
3) duudelovee69 or something similar to that
4) tonyallenFTAD
5) all Russians / Belarus players

All good points Bobo. I'm not posting this to start a senseless thread full of "lulz" and challenges to my assumptions. I don't disagree with your statements either.

However, bet sizing, location (obv Russia and Ukraine for most of them), timing are the obvious indicators of a bot, as they are programmed.

Many of these bots play very, very well in most cases. They make bets and calls that 99% of even winning players would/do not. They never respond to a chat at all, even when making a compliment about their play.

I have watched and played multiple tables with most of these bots, and on several occasions HU, have seen them make bets on different tables at the exact same time, literally.

We all know the bot problem is horrible at ACR and it's probably never going away. My only intention is to make people aware of players that are "likely" bots. And when I say "likely", I mean 1000% that they are bots.

If ever I am proven wrong, I'll take it on the chin and will laugh at my own stupidity. But that's "likely" not going to happen, since they are absolutely bots.

No offense taken from your rebuttal, so please take none from mine .

Not trying to get banned...

Also, you the SN "rightdecision" is a bot too.

They are bots, probably from the Bonus Bots program, which has threads in their forum regarding ACR.

They are "likely" all bots. You know it as well as I do.

Are they NL or PLO players? I only play PLO so wouldn't be able to comment on them if they are NL bots.

One last thing...we don't have to call it "Official". Just would like to have a thread for us to discuss this and hopefully look out for one another.

I mean, I kinda hate thieves...

I think it's good that you've provided a little more information on what led you to the conclusion that they're bots.

The thing is, it isn't really you taking it on the chin, it's the people you've accused.

Buuuut...I understand times have changed. A few years ago, when posters would throw screen names out there, others would jump in and say it wasn't fair to accuse people without really solid evidence, names should be left out, etc. These days, it seems no one bats an eye when a list is presented with very little in the way of statistics or other evidence. I'm sure part of the reason is that the botting problem, if not more prevalent (and it very well may be), is certainly much more widely-known and discussed, as is the perception that many sites aren't able or willing to deal with it properly. So just as others have become less concerned about names being posted so quickly, I (and probably other moderators) don't get involved in removing them as often.

That said, I'll follow this thread and see how others feel.

No, that would be pretty hypocritical of me, since I sort of came out guns a-blazing. Although it wasn't intended in a mean-spirited way.

Was never a consideration.

Yeah, I think that's the way to go. "Official" may give people who don't read the thread carefully the impression that there's been some kind of official finding. I've changed the title to something I believe is more suitable.

Ive been playing on ACR all year, mostly fullring 25-100nl. Quite a few bots in these games as well. I have started making a list backed with hud stats to confirm. Ill share it once Im done.

Something else to consider - I've seen posts from forum veterans that play on other sites who have their own lists of bots, but won't share them on the forums as they don't want to tip their hands, have the bot owners cash out, change their play to disguise what they're doing, etc. Instead, they report them, share the list via PM with some members they trust, and otherwise keep the list to themselves.

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This definitely makes sense. I'm quite sure they'll adapt of they are outed or shut down by the sites.

Thanks for changing the name to something more suitable. I certainly don't want to accuse someone incorrectly. Maybe I should download HEM or something and start tracking stats.

It really sucks that ACR knows about these (I've emailed support several times about it) and refuses to do anything about it. I've even sent videos of two of the bots on my list.

But as I said before, I'd like to be able to make others aware of this if at all possible. Only good intentions from me...promise.

Awesome. Much appreciated.

This is how I go about it with the Chico Network(BetOnline, SportsBetting, TigerGaming). I have seen them shut down a good amount of the accounts when I send them bot lists. I haven't heard of people having similar luck with the sites on WPN.

If I was going to list them publicly I'd do it similar to the way Sir Huntington showed them listed above. While you may be 100% correct that those accounts are botting, you're not going to convince everyone without the data to back it up.

Add

SnakeOrLadders?

on the odd list. Seriously these same clowns if you spectate them. Doesn’t matter if they are way behind or not. They never lose.

Anyone know why there are so many Latvians playing on ACR? All the regulated sites like PS/888/PP etc. are available to Latvians if I'm not mistaken.

Bots fold most hands if they are raised after betting ......l

What kind of odds are you willing to give that none of the accounts in your OP are legit people and not a bot?

You're claiming 1000% certainty, that's like 10 times more than absolute certainty, and that should be worth at least 1M to 1 odds, don't you think?

Hell, I'm not even 1000% certain that I know my own name, yet you're 1000% certain that these accounts are bots.

The absolute only way possible that you could be even 100% certain about the things that you claim, is if they are all your accounts, and you're the botter.

Otherwise your "1000%" certainty is just meaningless drivel designed to make yourself feel better about your unproven accusations.

I'm in favor of what you're trying to do, but I'm not in favor of the way you're doing it. You have literally zero evidence of anything beyond what you think, and yet somehow you manage to convince yourself that you are 1000% correct. Given that it's impossible for you to even be 100% certain, unless you're the botter, how can anyone take your claims seriously?

You're a new 2+2 account, you don't have a HUD or any tracking software, you play in probably the toughest PLO25 and PLO50 games in the world, and you think that bots are the reason that you're not doing as well as you think that you should do. While I do believe that those games are bot infested, I'm far more inclined to believe that you have simply over estimated your skills at both poker and bot detection, rather than to believe that you, or anyone, could ever be 100% certain (ignoring the ridiculousness of being 1000% certain) that an account is a bot without ever seeing any statistics at all. They might be bots, they might not be bots, I don't know for certain, and neither do you.

Much respect for you Bobo, but you're doing this backwards imo.

A new account, with zero reputation, zero credibility, no HUD, no tracking software, ...comes in and posts a thread naming names for accounts that he believes are bots, without any proof whatsoever beyond what he thinks he knows he saw, or whatever it was he said to explain his irrational rationale. Granted he's been quite polite and well spoken, even to me when I probably didn't deserve it, but that doesn't change his lack of qualifications to make such accusations.

But somehow for this person, you decide to take a "wait and see" approach, giving him the benefit of the doubt.

But when someone like Joe Ingram makes a video claiming that there are bots in the same games that OP mentions, claiming that there are colluders in those games, and that he may well have faced superusers in higher stakes games on the exact same network. Noting that Joe didn't say he was 1000% certain of anything, he simply told us what his intuition told him. But of him you instantly ask for proof and more evidence than just Joe's intuition. Even suggesting that if more evidence doesn't come in a timely manner, then Joe's intuition should somehow lose credibility.

Joe is not a new account. Joe is not an unknown. Joe has played more hands of internet poker than almost anyone. Joe uses a HUD. Joe uses tracking software. Joe knows how bad beats work. Joe knows what it's like to run bad. Joe knows what it's like when a fish gets lucky. Joe knows when he runs in the top of someone's range. Joe understands how all of these things work. And more importantly, we all know that Joe knows these things.

I completely understand why people would accept Joe's intuition on plausible faith alone, but it's not good enough for you, you want more than just Joe's intuition, but now for this new random account, intuition is now somehow good enough for you???

I don't get it. It seems exactly backwards to me.

I feel that this thread should have been deleted as soon as the unknown accuser posted account names without evidence, and then deleted again when the unknown accuser admitted to not having a database or a HUD. What serious poker player doesn't have these things in 2018? His only evidence will forever be his intuition, which is probably good enough for him, but it shouldn't be good enough for anyone else. Maybe after he's spent several years proving himself worthy, then his intuition might carry some weight. But not now imo.

It's the trifecta of truth. I'm a bot, I suck at poker and I'm a liar. Ya got me!

Seriously though...I don't need a HUD to realize that I'm correct in my observations of these accounts. Again, I'm doing this for the benefit of players that have a right to know, which includes you. However, being concerned with your opinion of the situation isn't at the top of my priority list.

Bad beats in PLO? I've never experienced that. Like ever. I must be an anomaly, because I seem to fade every out my opponents have in every single hand. I guess variance is on my side permanently? When you run like I do, you don't need skill. Just smash the good ole' mouse clicker and collect the manies.

And I'm not a serious poker at all. I just prefer lighting my my money on fire. It's just really hard to make that happen because I make variance my b**ch.

Hey, thx for your input. Very good points and I'll be sure to soak up the wisdom.

What was deleted? I didn't delete anything my friend. I have a couple more to add to the list too. If you prefer, I'll post here, then copy and paste to your inbox for the sake of being coverte..just between you and me. Ya know?