Point 3 has been debated to death on 2+2. The fact is that Merge doesn't honor liabilities of individual operators. The bankrolls are protected, but points, MTT tickets, etc were things those operators already took a profit on. Optimus has that money, and should be responsible for paying it back... to date, no skins that shut down on Merge have reimbursed players for points/tickets.

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Kahn

Requested 3/1/13
Processed 5/9/13

Will have to wait on a 2nd follow up e-mail. Will update when I have CIH.

Sportsbook, US player

ok, good to know that for the future if im still playing merge im gonna change my rakeback month by month.

obv its a sick sick situation anyway :S


Again Ty very much

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Kahn

2-23 received

will update the rest as they come

Merge should make the check withdrawls to be $1,000 MINIMUM, that way there would be a lower amount of checks Carbon has to proccess. So checks would be recieved in a more timely manner.

I can only imagine the amount of bloody murder that would be screamed if this happened.

Also, I don't think it would fix anything.


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Kahn

My two 2500$ withdrawls were processed and paid within 3 days. ROW player to neteller.

Though your intentions are no doubt good, this is a very bad idea. 1) it would discourage micro-stakes players from playing/depositing since it could take them a very long time to even get to $1K; 2) and more importantly, Merge should have as one of their top 5 priorities 'speedy cashouts.' Getting checks to people shouldn't be nearly this difficult. It's not like they have a mountain of requests taller than the person who has to send them out. Two months is effing pathetic and is a big reason why the network will likely go out of business (or any significant business) once poker is legalized in most of the U.S. Taking this long just smells like stalling to me. I wouldn't be surprised if one day we wake up and find that Merge is in a Lock-Poker-type-of-payment-disaster.

I'd be extremely surprised to see this.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you.


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Kahn

Sounds like the rantings of a loosing player, its all ways someone else fault. Let me guess; the Random Number Generator on Merge is "setup" too.

No offense, just my two cents

Requested: 2/21
Received: 5/10

Requested: 3/14
Status: Pending

That is not the problem. The problem is a combination of competence and luck.

The recent delays are a matter of luck. The continuity of these delays are a matter of incompetence.

Your "response" to my comment is completely detached from the content of what I had to say. In no way was I ranting or foaming at the mouth with hatred. I didn't complain about anything to do with the "Random Number Generator," bad beats, run bad, feeling like it's fixed, etc. I blamed no one regarding poker yet you try to insinuate that I'm a "losing player." How you could post any of these comments based on what I DID say is beyond me. I do just fine playing poker, thank you.

My point was that we've seen this sort of thing before and very recently. When it was obvious that Full Tilt was having big problems one of the issues was their payouts. Look what happened. Now we have Lock not paying players for months on end. Let's see where that goes. Merge is taking far too long to pay players. Don't give me the "it's the U.S. market" excuse either. Bovada seems to be able to get payments to players pretty quick.

It's fine if you want to disagree with the point I actually did make, just don't go speculating about several things I never said or implied.

Merge is starting to mimic lock with ring fencing the skins and slow cashouts

I noticed early last month some of the st sng's i play was not on sportsbook

merge runs the network, they don't decide where skins play or what pool particular skins belong in

No, this is a very ignorant point of view.

1) Jazette segregated itself, Merge did not institute this.

2) Slow cashouts? My buddy got 94k in 8 business days via Skrill. He posted here in 2 of the 3 cashier threads on 2+2 and I copy/pasted it into this one. There are also a half dozen ROW transactions listed the last 2 weeks where no one waited over 4 days for 5 figures, excluding him, but he got 94k in 8 days.

Compare the above to Lock who takes 3 months for ROW payments, 5+ months for US checks. Lock segregated itself to staunch outflows of funds to other operators and attempt to save themselves from losing players and chip dumping. Which wouldn't be an issue in the first place if they paid their players out in any way shape or form. They are NOT the same, or even close.


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Kahn

Why does it matter who segregated whom? It may not be Fair Play, but it has the same effect anyway. I agree with Chinamaniac that Merge is mimicking Lock in that sense.

And as for "your buddy" getting paid...Well, that's cool, but where Lock is right now? It got there by the same path Merge has been headed. First US players get paid slower, next are the ROW payments.

The only way anyone is not going to think Merge is going the way of Lock/Revolution is for Merge to cut down the waiting times for US players. As of now, it has gone to 10/11+ weeks wait and there is no indication of a decrease in times yet. Until that happens, I'm going to think otherwise and take action with my money and grind volume and Merge has no one to blame but themselves.

I suppose we see things very differently. Good luck wherever else you end up

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Kahn

Looks like Skrill cashouts are getting processed faster than checks. I've cancelled the pending check requests- waiting since February 15, and gone through the process of setting up a Skrill account, making a deposit and then cashed out using Skrill.
For players waiting for checks, I will keep you updated on the cashout process time. Maybe this is something you will want to do too if you're tired of waiting like me.

I'm assuming you're not in the U.S..... i can't imagine any ROW player waiting 8 weeks for a check when u have way better options

So jazette is getting gangsta on us thinking they're running the block!!

right now i'm seeing triple the players on the non jazette skins in the (St SnG)... what the heck was jazette thinking

They were thinking, you know if our players stopped playing poker, they'll wager more on sports.