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08-10-2018 , 09:35 AM
If they took the bots away there would be even less cash game traffic. Maybe we should all get together and collude against them.
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08-10-2018 , 12:11 PM
Ha! You're not wrong. Do you think there are less bots/people colluding in the MTT's? Typically if there's 2 German (or Eastern European) players at a 6max I get out of there.
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08-10-2018 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bufo alvarius
Yeah this is totally accurate I think. Maybe we should compile a list? I e-mailed support about one of them and haven't seen them since.
Also, goonewsjimcom saying "God is real. Jesus loves you. How goes it?" every time he's seated at a new table is really funny.
I'm 19millionac on there by the way.

Lol, yeah that guy is weird
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08-10-2018 , 01:39 PM
I want to see him snap and berate someone.
"GOD BLESS YOU!"
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08-10-2018 , 02:01 PM
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So far I only see the nightly $11 bumped to $15. Was there something else?
Early Bird Micro was upped from $4 to $5. Also upped from Fri. $3 to $5. Nightly $2 was upped to $3. Sunday Early Bird Micro ($3) & Big $3 remain unchanged.
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08-10-2018 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bufo alvarius
Do you think there are less bots/people colluding in the MTT's?
I color code everyone not from USA and just have not noted anything untoward in MTTs.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 08-10-2018 at 03:48 PM.
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08-10-2018 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexBalex
As far as I can tell HUDs are okay? At least on Carbon.

From their website:

Allowed Programs/Services

The following programs/services are allowed for their intended use.

Offline Poker Tutors

Poker tutors and strategy assistors that operate without the use of live data

Specific examples include:

Poker Academy Pro
Turbo Texas Holdem
SitNGo Wizard training quizzes and post-game analysis
Analysis of Personal Hand Histories

Programs that analyze a player’s hand history may be used in conjunction with a players personal hand history. These programs/services may not be used with shared hand history data

Specific examples include:

Poker Tracker
Poker Academy Prospector
Holdem Manager
Poker Office”

Or is this saying it’s okay to track hands only, and HUD must be turned off? I’ve seen people stream on Twitch with a HUD.

I just checked Carbon's website and couldn't find the information you quoted shown anywhere. Maybe it used to be there and they've removed it? You might need to refresh your browser.

In both the Sportsbook and Carbon poker client programs under the Help tab, there is a section called "Prohibited Software Policy" which reads exactly the same for both skins and says this is the policy of the "Merge Gaming Network". The wording under "Allowed Programs/Services" is exactly the same as you quoted except the "Specific Examples" have disappeared. Also, a sentence has been added under "Offline Poker Tutors" which reads: "Software providing tools, learning and quizzes based on generic information are allowed."

I found their wording to be very confusing as to whether or not HUD's were allowed, which is why I was trying to get them to tell me specifically what their policy on HUD's is. That's when I was told that HUD's definitely are NOT allowed, and that using one can get you banned and your funds confiscated. I think that what they're saying is that you can use a HUD to review your hand history after the fact, just not when you're actually playing, although I haven't actually confirmed that.
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08-10-2018 , 04:28 PM
So they're going to ban someone for using a HUD with unclear policies but they allow obvious bots and Homer and his team of colluders to play? Not buying it.
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08-10-2018 , 04:33 PM
From that description it seems like they're saying as long as the tracked data that you're using is your own / from your own hand histories, it's okay - but that sharing hand histories to get data on people and using that isn't... but it's unclear regarding HUD's in particular.
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08-10-2018 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bufo alvarius
Ha! You're not wrong. Do you think there are less bots/people colluding in the MTT's? Typically if there's 2 German (or Eastern European) players at a 6max I get out of there.
I doubt there are any bots in MTTs. I have never really thought ppl were colluding in the Mtts, but I have no clue. If anybody thinks there are mtt bots or colluders I'd love to see names so I can check my hand histories.
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08-10-2018 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerAnnie32
I just checked Carbon's website and couldn't find the information you quoted shown anywhere. Maybe it used to be there and they've removed it? You might need to refresh your browser.

In both the Sportsbook and Carbon poker client programs under the Help tab, there is a section called "Prohibited Software Policy" which reads exactly the same for both skins and says this is the policy of the "Merge Gaming Network". The wording under "Allowed Programs/Services" is exactly the same as you quoted except the "Specific Examples" have disappeared. Also, a sentence has been added under "Offline Poker Tutors" which reads: "Software providing tools, learning and quizzes based on generic information are allowed."

I found their wording to be very confusing as to whether or not HUD's were allowed, which is why I was trying to get them to tell me specifically what their policy on HUD's is. That's when I was told that HUD's definitely are NOT allowed, and that using one can get you banned and your funds confiscated. I think that what they're saying is that you can use a HUD to review your hand history after the fact, just not when you're actually playing, although I haven't actually confirmed that.


On my phone I go to their website>poker>general>security>prohibited software policy.
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08-10-2018 , 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by hainberg25
I doubt there are any bots in MTTs. I have never really thought ppl were colluding in the Mtts, but I have no clue. If anybody thinks there are mtt bots or colluders I'd love to see names so I can check my hand histories.
Yeah, I'd like to know as well. Even if just to put a note so I'm aware of potential shadiness.
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08-11-2018 , 12:21 AM
Tournies seem fine, but do question some spot's in cash games, I play a mix, because the 5k and 7.5k are still good value, although not the value they used to be.
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08-11-2018 , 05:17 AM
lazzath has been on for an entire week straight. i routinely have the client open and he hasn't not been online since at the bare minimum, the end of july.

all of the italian players are bots. the majority of the german and portuguese players are bots. if you try to add any of these players as a friend you will receive a pop-up indicating 'player x is not accepting friends'.

i'd encourage you to report them via an anonymous email service, such as
https://cyberatlantis.com/anonymous_email.php
https://www.guerrillamail.com/compose
https://anonymousemail.me/

if we make enough noise, maybe support will do something about the bot ring.
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08-11-2018 , 07:52 AM
Why do you suggest using an anonymous email service?
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08-11-2018 , 11:50 PM
At 25/50NL I think hometiger24 is a bot.
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08-12-2018 , 02:19 PM
Guppy511 - likely a bot too?
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08-12-2018 , 05:15 PM
Did they start running two Sunday Big $15 10ks or is this some screw up?
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08-12-2018 , 11:14 PM
They have done this type of stuff before, if anything I doubt this was out of mistake, but trying to entertain the small player base that they have left that still seems to be fading, one good thing for them is that in the words of GoT "winter is coming".
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08-14-2018 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by bufo alvarius
At 25/50NL I think hometiger24 is a bot.
If hometiger24 is a bot, the person that programs him must be exceptional, continually changing the programming, and good enough to make it adaptable when playing against certain players. I say this because I've played against him a lot in the past and I've watched him change his bet sizing and strategy of play depending on who is at the table and in the hand. I beat him on numerous hands, and took some sizeable pots from him. After awhile, he got to where he would play very cautiously and tentatively whenever he and I were involved in a hand, which is unlike his normal more aggro style. He does bluff, but will sometimes fold to pressure. However, if he perceives a player to be weak, he'll bet very aggressively whether he has anything or not.

I believe a lot of these Germans are just simply multi-table grinders, who are playing on multiple sites at the same time since you can't often get more than a couple of tables on Merge. One time, during down time at a table where one of the German regs and I were the only ones left and were sitting out, I started a conversation with him because I have a friend who lives in Germany. It wasn't hometiger, but I don't remember the guy's name now since I haven't played on Merge in awhile, and he quit playing there much. He told me he plays 6-10 tables at a time, and plays on 888, Merge, Party, and a few Vietnamese sites. I have seen players call this guy a bot and have always defended him since I know better. Just because someone never responds to chat doesn't make them a bot. If you're a serious multi-table grinder on multiple sites, you don't even have time to pay attention to chat. I had to try to get this guy's attention like four or five times before I could even get him to answer me, just trying to find out where in Germany he was from.
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08-14-2018 , 06:14 PM
For the amount of hours he puts in I believe he is a bot, I posted the website to Merge about the bot program, which even announces with the programming that it has a low security level. The fact he never moves up and know he is a winning player just makes it hard for to believe that he isn't. Yes you can definitely program a bot to play differently vs different players.

The same with say Bulletstorm8 I have played with him for years, not recently because just slowly building a roll again on the site with next to no traffic. I would guess over my databases (all erased due to reformatting and a different computer) I would guess he has won 10-20k with never taking a shot at 200nl+.
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08-15-2018 , 04:20 PM
Could just be a bankroll nit. Some peeps never move up, comfortable playing where they're at and winning at a solid clip.
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08-15-2018 , 10:00 PM
If he's not a bot, he's pretty good and is wasting his time at 50nl... and never plays tournaments.
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08-16-2018 , 05:53 AM
Tuxedo is the most blatant and I honestly think he could be a good superuser too. By that I mean he will stack off when coolered. He keeps his winrate 10-15bb/100 and won't draw suspicion by making it higher. I have never seen anyone in 15 years of online play make almost no mistakes versus my actual hand while making plays that are terrible vs my range.
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08-16-2018 , 11:28 AM
Can't connect to site right now, while ignition is running fine
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