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10-15-2013 , 02:10 PM
I'm completely baffled by this capping of tables. Multitabling helps the site in 2 ways. First of all, it obviously fills more tables. But secondly, it causes players to play with narrower profit margins at each table which is similar to what the Rec Player Model encourages. I would think that they would want that. I'm starting to wonder if it was Jon Kyl who bought the Merge Network.
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10-15-2013 , 02:12 PM
Can anyone tell me WHY there are 3+ hours of late registration now on the nightly Dailies? The $1,10, $2.20, $5.50, $11.00, etc?

What purpose does having such a long late registration serve? Sure it might get more people/more rake, etc. but it really compromises the integrity of these tournaments.

One hour should be the maximum late registration period, IMO..
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10-15-2013 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NoDuteAbuteIt
From the gist of the last few pages I'd say Carbon is becoming a sinking ship?
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Death rattle. I wouldn't put a dime on Carbon.
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10-15-2013 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Ungar
Can anyone tell me WHY there are 3+ hours of late registration now on the nightly Dailies? The $1,10, $2.20, $5.50, $11.00, etc?

What purpose does having such a long late registration serve? Sure it might get more people/more rake, etc. but it really compromises the integrity of these tournaments.

One hour should be the maximum late registration period, IMO..
Merge is trying to generate as many re-entries as possible because they are probably stealing player funds and need to churn as much rake as they possibly can in order to avoid a Lock-type situation where they take months to pay out withdrawals.

It's a desperate money grab, just like FTP's multi-entry week that happened right before Black Friday. By eliminating most rebuys (which are only raked once obv), they're trying to channel all their traffic into these re-entry freezeouts. The scam will crash down eventually.
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10-15-2013 , 02:33 PM
Not looking good for PT4/HEM.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=6741

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Originally Posted by Max Cut
Looks like Merge has gone and pulled a Merge again. They have now removed the buy-in information from tournament HHs, which they had finally added just a couple months ago. The buy-in still appears in the window title on tables, so hopefully a workable PT4 HUD and tracking will still be feasible after an update.

I'm no longer willing to play Merge and so I don't have any sample HHs for you. Just thought I'd post the info since I do have friends still playing there.

Cheers
--Max
I'm afraid that won't work, we need this information in the hand history or else there is little we can do. The HUD is the equivalent of a dumb terminal, it cannot read anything on the table, and we do not use OCR because it is not accurate enough to cover all possible player needs to consider that technology a viable solution. If you play on Merge, we suggest you let the management know your displeasure so hopefully they will eventually be willing to fix this problem.

- TT
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Update - I may have spoken too soon, it appears that there are other new changes to the hand history, we need to investigate this in greater detail. Any users who play at Merge tournaments should send in sample Hand histories from their sessions so we can review and determine what can be done.

- TT

Last edited by Max Cut; 10-15-2013 at 02:46 PM.
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10-15-2013 , 02:33 PM
Wow the 10 cap rule to everything is true now. Merge is trying soooo hard to lost players!!! Finding every possible way to piss people off lol
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10-15-2013 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ace Jackoff
Merge is trying to generate as many re-entries as possible because they are probably stealing player funds and need to churn as much rake as they possibly can in order to avoid a Lock-type situation where they take months to pay out withdrawals.

It's a desperate money grab, just like FTP's multi-entry week that happened right before Black Friday. By eliminating most rebuys (which are only raked once obv), they're trying to channel all their traffic into these re-entry freezeouts. The scam will crash down eventually.
I really think the cries of outright scam are a bit out of line. People have been and are continuing to get paid. Until that changes, I would keep the criticism more reasonable -- there's plenty of it to be levelled.
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10-15-2013 , 02:40 PM
I hope they fix this hud problem real quick.
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10-15-2013 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Ace Jackoff
Merge is trying to generate as many re-entries as possible because they are probably stealing player funds and need to churn as much rake as they possibly can in order to avoid a Lock-type situation where they take months to pay out withdrawals.

It's a desperate money grab, just like FTP's multi-entry week that happened right before Black Friday. By eliminating most rebuys (which are only raked once obv), they're trying to channel all their traffic into these re-entry freezeouts. The scam will crash down eventually.
False Evidence Appearing Real= FEAR
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10-15-2013 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Ace Jackoff
Merge is trying to generate as many re-entries as possible because they are probably stealing player funds and need to churn as much rake as they possibly can in order to avoid a Lock-type situation where they take months to pay out withdrawals.

It's a desperate money grab, just like FTP's multi-entry week that happened right before Black Friday. By eliminating most rebuys (which are only raked once obv), they're trying to channel all their traffic into these re-entry freezeouts. The scam will crash down eventually.
That isn't even the slightest bit true. You can get a $2,500 check in a week right now. I don't agree with these changes, but saying it's a money grab is just plain dumb. They are gonig to a model that is good for rec players. They don't care if us grinders play there or not because we win money and withdrawl (and most on here don't even do that) instead of donk it off on the casino or sports. The age of promotions is over and if you think when regulation hits that we're going to have 100% RB deals again you're just naive.
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10-15-2013 , 02:58 PM
Can anyone elaborate on 'Carbon OPS'? Is it like PokerMaximus?
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10-15-2013 , 03:05 PM
Scotty-Its a small turbo series that has a few mtts of different BIs running over the course of a few days.

I'm seeing red after hearing we can only play 10 tables max. I have no idea what the reasoning behind it is and it greatly affects players like me.

Maybe they don't care about rake as much as I thought :/
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10-15-2013 , 03:10 PM
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Scotty-Its a small turbo series that has a few mtts of different BIs running over the course of a few days.

I'm seeing red after hearing we can only play 10 tables max. I have no idea what the reasoning behind it is and it greatly affects players like me.

Maybe they don't care about rake as much as I thought :/
They just don't care about people who make money playing poker. Which normally anyone playing over 10 tables is.
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10-15-2013 , 03:21 PM
Have they banned HUD or it just needs an update from PT4?
Last day of the leaderboard and they screw me like this.
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10-15-2013 , 03:22 PM
Winning players and 20 tablers generate a lot more rake(obviosuly)...the move is mind bottling from Merge's POV IMO.

What am I not seeing?
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10-15-2013 , 03:22 PM
I usually only play 9 games with no HUD. Still don't like that they're limiting tables but I'm happy about the HUD thing. Tbh though I'll probably just play bovada again. Gg dinner and bathroom breaks though.
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10-15-2013 , 03:26 PM
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Have they banned HUD or it just needs an update from PT4?
Last day of the leaderboard and they screw me like this.
I'm assuming it's not banned, yet.

And yeah, very disrespectful to leaderboard and Last Man Standing contestants to institute more unannounced changes that have a big impact.
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10-15-2013 , 03:30 PM
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Scotty-Its a small turbo series that has a few mtts of different BIs running over the course of a few days.

I'm seeing red after hearing we can only play 10 tables max. I have no idea what the reasoning behind it is and it greatly affects players like me.

Maybe they don't care about rake as much as I thought :/
Oh so its that TOPS series except under a different name? Sweeet. Thanks lvc
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10-15-2013 , 03:31 PM
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Can anyone elaborate on 'Carbon OPS'? Is it like PokerMaximus?
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Scotty-Its a small turbo series that has a few mtts of different BIs running over the course of a few days.

I'm seeing red after hearing we can only play 10 tables max. I have no idea what the reasoning behind it is and it greatly affects players like me.

Maybe they don't care about rake as much as I thought :/

Actually this is incorrect. You are confusing "Turbo OPS" with "Carbon OPS"

Carbon OPS = Poker Maximus moving forward.


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Kahn
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10-15-2013 , 03:34 PM
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10% on all bets placed. but 100% on all bets lost. and almost every sports bettor eventually loses it all.
is there any concrete data on this published online? i mean its easy to say and i could assume it but i really dont know for a fact. its just that they risk zero on poker and isnt it possible for some huge 100:1 (or much more) underdog winning and a lot of money was lost by site bc of it?
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10-15-2013 , 03:39 PM
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Winning players and 20 tablers generate a lot more rake(obviosuly)...the move is mind bottling from Merge's POV IMO.

What am I not seeing?
Winning players also cashout more, which, as the speculation goes costs the sites a lot of money to service. There's also the possibility that squeezing out winning regs allows the sites to rake more in the long run because breakeven players will just trade the same pool of funds around, with the sites raking a little bit off over time. If players are cashing out, those funds will never be 'raked' in some sense.

I won't calim to know the details behind these theories or whether they make good business sense, but the trend is obviously going in this direction, unfortunately.
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10-15-2013 , 03:51 PM
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is there any concrete data on this published online? i mean its easy to say and i could assume it but i really dont know for a fact. its just that they risk zero on poker and isnt it possible for some huge 100:1 (or much more) underdog winning and a lot of money was lost by site bc of it?
Well ya obv they hit sometimes but a winning reg playing poker will take money off the site. All in all they will make more from people who lose their deposit except for the off chance they hit a lucky bet.
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10-15-2013 , 03:59 PM
Thanks Khan.
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10-15-2013 , 03:59 PM
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Well ya obv they hit sometimes but a winning reg playing poker will take money off the site. All in all they will make more from people who lose their deposit except for the off chance they hit a lucky bet.
the off chance is like beating a 45/55? kind of like a coin flip no? i dont gamble but it would seem like bc of stories of people losing everything gambling the general public (me included) may have a warped idea of sportsbettors. i believe they do make more money off sportsbetting but if you include the guys who cash out and the guys who cash out REALLY BIG from a huge underdog score doesnt that close the gap on how much they make off of zero risk poker? plus losing grinders who are a steady source of income.

right off the bat i did in fact assume they were making the right play from a financial perspective but now im not too sure.

and theres also the fact that nearly every winning poker player takes money off the site and continues playing there. they dont take money off once and just leave, they keep on grinding usually at the same stakes they played before each cashout.
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10-15-2013 , 04:11 PM
Most people lose sportsbetting because they up there bets and it never ends well. Outside of that it is beatable if you bet donk book lines and know teams inside and out but for the most part people lose it all because they up there bets and eventually go bust when on a bad streak.

Similar to people who just keep playing higher and higher while underroled or just move up when hot. Variance catches them and it is a smoke show
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