Getting a login error. Carbon, Players Only, Sportsbook.

"Please try again later. Thank you for your patience."

Maybe the hurricane has something to do with it...

down?

Don't understand why there isn't more action on here. The games are so soft. All the regs suck. Even at 2/5 there's almost no good regs.

They banned many winning regs before 2016 and others they table restricted.

Precisely why more people need to start playing it. Also I can guarantee there's no bots. At least at 2/5.

cus they banned/ban anyone with multiple working brain cells

The last I heard is that they weren't accepting any new players. Add in the fact that they booted a bunch of winning players and made other terrible policy changes a few years back and I'm more surprised that it has any games running at all. Why do they even keep maintaining the network if they're not going to allow new players? How is that sustainable?

Anyone ever have an issue getting the client to start? I just started playing here again and I can not get the client to open. Uninstalled reinstalled and still nothing.

I'm on windows btw

I've had this before and it was my antivirus blocking it silently, so that's the first place to look. Firewall could also cause problems so maybe look into that.

Otherwise try installing to a different folder. There might be some leftover files in the old install folder that are causing problems. If you have another computer to test with, try installing it on there to see if it has the same problem.

It's not and the player pool has dwindled rapidly. Guarantees keep getting slashed as well, it's like they are ok with the site dying. Games used to be plentiful now they don't even run all day.

is carbon down for anyone else? cant even log onto the site.

It's really too bad, I love the software and structures of the tournaments here. One good thing about them not accepting new players is that it has kept out the bots that have infested every other site. I think they prefer to keep sports betting the main priority and keep poker around as a service to their customers. They have even gone as far as banning people winning too much in cash games which may further support that argument.

I wish they would build back up their tournament schedule to what it was before as I don't think tournaments have even close to the negative/predatory effect as cash games do, but then they would have to allow new customers to come in and feast on their sports bettors that they seem to want to protect. Maybe they could at least bring back the $15 and $33 Sunday Mega Stacks. Those tourneys were fun.

I've been playing on Merge since Black Friday. I officially pulled my roll today. The volume is just too little to continue to play on the network. It sucks. They probably have the best software in the industry. They had a big chance back in 2011 to take control of the American market. They failed. Oh well.

Why not just play multiple sites like a normal person?

I never said I didn't. I play on multiple sites, like a normal person.

I'm a tournament player. The $33 $5k was the last good tournament that fit into my schedule/buy in range. After that was removed, I literally don't have a tournament to play. Sometimes on the weekends I could play the $33 $2k when it went off, but I'm not going to bother leaving a roll on the site in hopes of playing a $2k guaranteed once a week.

Sometimes I'd play 25nl 6-max, but even then, it was one or two tables max.

It's a sad day, indeed.

BetOnline, on the other hand, has really stepped up their game.

Are you serious about BOL? Have you not played there very long?

They changed their tournament structures to be complete crap shoots at the end of the tournaments. Avg stack is around 15bb with over half the field at or under 10bb. They changed their rebuy structures to milk more rebuys (they rake every single individual rebuy) and they ended their vip point system without any warning their players. Literally stole from their own customers. Also, cant even play a cash game without multiple bots at the table.

This site was 10x better 2 months ago before they "stepped up their game."

Waaaahhhh. The tournaments for every site are crap shoots at the end. WPN, Merge, BOL, Ignition, they're all structured in a similar way with aggressive blind jumps at the end.

I'm very happy with how many more tournaments there are on BOL as compared to 2 months ago. At least for the games I play.

I've been playing on BOL for years. I understand how it goes.

Some of you people can complain about anything.

Also, the BOL rebuy structure has always been the same. They have always raked each individual rebuy. Clearly, you have not been playing there very long.

And how did they end the VIP program? It was always such that you could only use the points to buy into MTTs. As far as I know, that's still the same. Not like the rewards were great to begin with.

Oh, and every site has bots. Have you read the WPN thread? Have you read the Bovada/Ignition thread?

Merge is probably the only site without bots, and with this traffic, why would the bot operators bother?

This is just not true. I play on every site you listed. I play between 800-1k mtts per month. Of the sites listed, bol late game structure is by far the worst, followed by bodog. WPN and Merge have great structures and are always around 25-30bb avg stack at the final 2 tables and less. The thing that sucks is that before these recent structure changes there was plenty of late game play on bol.


Says the guy who posted just above this complaining about a tournament no longer existing ($33 5k) that actually still does exist and runs nightly (its a $4k gar. now and was well over the guarantee all week)


Apparently you don't know how it goes, as that option was taken away over 2 months ago. Some of us had 100k's point saved up and they took them without warning.


Yes, it is true that they have always raked each individual rebuy. However, that is not what i was taking about when I said they changed the structure (since when does structure mean rake?) Instead of the previous 5k chips per rebuy they now only give 2k(some tournaments 3k), and instead of the 7.5k addon it is now 3k. This creates a faster structure which promotes more rebuys during the rebuy period, thus more rake.


Of course I have read those threads. Every site has bots except the one you just left.



Would you like to make any more statements about things that you don't know anything about?

Sure, I'd happily like to comment.


This is just not true. I play on every site you listed. I play between 800-1k mtts per month. Of the sites listed, bol late game structure is by far the worst, followed by bodog. WPN and Merge have great structures and are always around 25-30bb avg stack at the final 2 tables and less. The thing that sucks is that before these recent structure changes there was plenty of late game play on bol.

As of now, the $15k $33 rebuy is final 3 with an 820k average stack and 15/30k blinds.

The $3k $6.60 rebuy is final 9 with an average stack of 242k and blinds 6k/12k. The blinds just changed from 5k/10k.

The $9k $11 rebuy is final 27 with an average stack of 211k and blinds 6k/12k. The blinds just changed from 5k/10k.

The $2k $11 deep stack is final 9 with an average stack of 170k with blinds 4k/8k.

So yeah, maybe slightly faster than WPN, but seems pretty good to me if you understand math. You are acting like they're all turbos where everyone is 10 bigs or less. You stated everything is 10-15 blinds average, but I just found 4 games where that wasn't the case.

And really, those are all pretty much the same structure before the update.
So not much has really changed.


Says the guy who posted just above this complaining about a tournament no longer existing ($33 5k) that actually still does exist and runs nightly (its a $4k gar. now and was well over the guarantee all week)

Actually, no it doesn't. I was referencing the $33 $5k that went off at 8 pm eastern. You are referencing a $33k $4k that goes off at 11 pm eastern. Two completely different tournaments. Oh, and it overlaid by $640 tonight.

And hey, look!! You said the 5 daily Merge tournaments had better structures. But for some reason, there are 20 players left in that $33 $4k and the average stack is 9 big blinds with 20 left. What gives??


Apparently you don't know how it goes, as that option was taken away over 2 months ago. Some of us had 100k's point saved up and they took them without warning.

I had points up until the new update a week or two ago. I don't see them anymore, so I guess they're gone. Luckily, I didn't even have a $11 buyin worth.My bad.

I guess you're a sucker for "saving" points. If there is one thing I've learned over the course of online poker's history, it's use your rewards when you have them. Any site can take them away upon their own terms. Sure, it's scummy. But you should know to take all precautions when it comes to unregulated online poker and take advantage of any edge when it's available.
Even so 100k points is really not that much in equity.


Yes, it is true that they have always raked each individual rebuy. However, that is not what i was taking about when I said they changed the structure (since when does structure mean rake?) Instead of the previous 5k chips per rebuy they now only give 2k(some tournaments 3k), and instead of the 7.5k addon it is now 3k. This creates a faster structure which promotes more rebuys during the rebuy period, thus more rake.


Sounds like your main concern with the rebuys was that they rake each individual rebuy/add on, which they were already doing.

The blind and chip structure in the rebuys I played before the update still seem pretty similar.

"They changed their rebuy structures to milk more rebuys (they rake every single individual rebuy)"

Of course I have read those threads. Every site has bots except the one you just left.

The lack of bots is pretty irrelevant when there is barely one table per stake running at any time. Who cares if there aren't bots if no games run?

3 handed is irrelevant, of course its deeper than 15bbs

the 3k 6.60 is 17.5 bbs w 9 left , pretty much what i said

and the 9k you listed still had 27 left , now its sitting 9 handed w avg stack 593k at 40k bb = 14.8bb


You list 1 example of a merge tournament that happens to be <15bb avg stack w 20 left...ok?

You pretty much just went through all of the available tournaments , listed the ones with the biggest avg stack size on bol and then listed the ONE with the least avg stack size on merge. Good job you should feel vinicated for the complete ****ing slaughter in the last post where everything you said was incorrect information...


Luckily YOU didnt have any points so who cares right? basically didnt happen since it didnt effect you. and of course it didnt, you prob play 50 tournaments a month.

My main concern with the rebuys was that the structure is much worse, just like all of the other tournaments they changed the structure to.

Im glad you took the time and had the time to look all of that up but not really sure what you are trying to prove, except for all of the points I already made.

You should pm your screen names on merge and bol so i can have a good laugh.

Yeah, it took me all of 3 minutes to pull that information. Not like it's difficult with the traffic for either site to pull the few running tournaments. For Merge, I believe that was the only guarantee going at the time. So yeah, tough to pull more examples than that. There was maybe one other guarantee going. I didn't look that hard.

We've gone from 25-30 big blind avg stack on 2 tables or less to 3 handed is irrelevant, obviously.

Learn your push/fold charts. They are actually pretty useful considering the general population doesn't have a clue. If you're playing 800-1k tournaments a month, I'm sure you'd come out ahead.

The rebuy structures are not much worse. They are the ****ing same, if not better. And actually, the $6.60 is better. It used to be 2k, 2k, 4k, and now it's 4k, 4k, 5k, if I'm remembering correctly with the same blind structure. The $11 $9k is exactly the same at 5k, 5k, 10k.

I don't have to prove anything to you. I've been a recreational, part-time winning player since 2007.

Unlike you, I have a respectable full-time job, so yeah, I don't have the time to play 800-1k tournaments a month. I typically play 200-300 in a month. I would never, ever go pro in the USA in the current climate. What a moronic risk on so many levels.

I was simply pointing out your incorrect statements.

Also, not my dumb ass decision to use my points as savings account. You should have used them before you lost them. "Saving" rewards is such a leak for so many players, that I just don't feel bad anymore when they get burned.

explain yourself to strangers on the internet. wonder what a psychologist would say? lol good luck man, enjoy that respectable job of yours