***Mass Sitout to Protest PokerStars 2012 Rake Changes*** - Page 3 - Internet Poker

I'm only a micro-stakes player. Not a huge player like some guys here but you have my support. It isn't nice seeing loyal players get screwed over by a clear company drive to grab more money.

I'm in.

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12-28-2011 , 02:44 PM

#52

chavarie

adept

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,126

I'm in for Jan 1st.

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12-28-2011 , 02:45 PM

#53

G-Code

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,311

dont get it..for how long will you sitout? untilt they agreee to a change?if not this pprotest is completely uselesss and just a waste of time.

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12-28-2011 , 02:47 PM

#54

MSauce

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,363

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Originally Posted by G-Code

dont get it..for how long will you sitout? untilt they agreee to a change?if not this pprotest is completely uselesss and just a waste of time.

We can decide this at any point during the sit out. Hours/days/weeks/whatever, itll be up for what we think is the most effective. The most important part is getting it started.

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12-28-2011 , 02:47 PM

#55

she_is_disaster

enthusiast

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 97

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Originally Posted by disputable

after 20 mins we have 18 in:

Currently in:

1. MSauce
2. badbeatLOL
3. DonkDonkDonkDonk
4. tercet
5. checkraise1
6. jspill
7. 8Nilor
8. Stanko
9. HiLo66
10. BennyQuack
11. Omrell
12. gNT
13. Budhud
14. Marge147
15. Rorry666
16. starvingwriter82
17. Shobun
18. ROM Amnesty

PS screen names?

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12-28-2011 , 02:47 PM

#56

JesusEatsCheese

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 6,646

i was planning to stay on stars this whole year and get supernova

i only play 6max 10nl just now (have played 100nl in the past but need to rebulid my BR) but should be able to get back to 50-100nl soonish

i run 26/22, how badly will these changes affect me? cause im really unsure

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12-28-2011 , 02:49 PM

#57

lennois

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 525

in with a grin

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12-28-2011 , 02:49 PM

#58

MSauce

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,363

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Originally Posted by JesusEatsCheese

You will lose less than most regulars because you are on the looser end, but you will still lose a % of your rakeback.

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12-28-2011 , 02:51 PM

#59

disputable

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 90

33 mins, 30 in:

Currently in:

1. MSauce
2. badbeatLOL
3. DonkDonkDonkDonk
4. tercet
5. checkraise1
6. jspill
7. 8Nilor
8. Stanko
9. HiLo66
10. BennyQuack
11. Omrell
12. gNT
13. Budhud
14. Marge147
15. Rorry666
16. starvingwriter82
17. Shobun
18. ROM Amnesty
19. brrrap!
20. The Elaphant Man
21. QuarterTon
22. locoo20
23. aljufo
24. Ugly
25. CrazyJoe
26. LusciousLP
27. ImpulseKid
28. therightdeal
29. chavarie
30. lennois

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12-28-2011 , 02:51 PM

#60

MSauce

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Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,363

Just to give everyone an idea of how bad the rake increase is (not just the change to WC)

xpost from Daut:

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i just did a quick check on my database

while in vancouver, i played 37187 hands of PLO, ~11k of which were 5 handed

i filtered this to 5 handed, pots i won, and pots greater than $44 (showing when i get raked more than i would before). there were 359 instances where I would have paid anywhere from .01 to 1.00 more (the vast majority of these being a full dollar more.

i estimate the difference in rake would be roughly $330 over just 11k hands of 5 handed PLO. pokerstars just made my 5 handed winrate drop by 1.5bb/100 purely from rake

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12-28-2011 , 02:53 PM

#61

G-Code

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,311

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Originally Posted by MSauce

We can decide this at any point during the sit out. Hours/days/weeks/whatever, itll be up for what we think is the most effective. The most important part is getting it started.

hmm yeah but tbh i dont think stars cares just for one second...they are one step ahead of us most are addicted to the game and wont sitout weeks or months.

also if one table is full another one gets created or even more so lets say 6 players who agreed to the protest block 1 table i dont see where this makes any sense?

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12-28-2011 , 02:53 PM

#62

Omrell

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My screenname it's Omrell the same as here ! Come on, use twitter and facebook to divulgate this protest

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12-28-2011 , 02:53 PM

#63

pureklas

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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,651

So you guys are only protesting about the rake change to 5 handed?

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12-28-2011 , 02:54 PM

#64

Mamut

enthusiast

Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 52

I'm with you!
But I think we need more time to gather more players; so this thread should be on the first page so everyone can see it. I understand that we should do it before the effective rake change but problem is---> the fellow grinders.

On the other hand 1st January is not so good, cause lots of people will have to chillax because of NYE. What about lets say 7th January?

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12-28-2011 , 02:55 PM

#65

MSauce

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Originally Posted by pureklas

So you guys are only protesting about the rake change to 5 handed?

Both that and the change to WC with no money redistributed back into the VIP program.

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12-28-2011 , 02:58 PM

#66

pureklas

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Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,651

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Originally Posted by MSauce

Both that and the change to WC with no money redistributed back into the VIP program.

Ok so what concession are you hoping for with a mass sit out?

a) No WC
b) No increase in rake when 5 handed?
c) Just an increase in 6max multiplier to the same as full ring?

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12-28-2011 , 02:58 PM

#67

Shobun

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 399

I think we need to put in OP a very simple and straight up explanation of why we do this. several sentences max. something like :

* 20% rb reduction overall
* 150% rake increase for 5 handed
* ...?

edit : *universal 6vpps for SH players instead of 5.5 vs FR getting 6

Last edited by Shobun; 12-28-2011 at 03:03 PM.

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12-28-2011 , 02:59 PM

#68

Shobun

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Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 399

Also I think this is a great oppurtunity to protest vs overall weight of rake and add that to our list

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12-28-2011 , 02:59 PM

#69

Filben

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 30

****in faggs. existing rake is still too high.

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12-28-2011 , 03:00 PM

#70

MSauce

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Originally Posted by Shobun

I think we need to put in OP a very simple and straight up explanation of why we do this. several sentences max. something like :

* 20% rb reduction overall
* 150% rake increase for 5 handed
* ...?

I can ask a mod to edit OP but it seems like everyone will have read the changes before arriving here. And the Stars thread with a list of everything and peoples reflection of them is listed in this same forum.

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12-28-2011 , 03:02 PM

#71

JesusEatsCheese

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 6,646

im in

will only be able to do this at 10/25nl tables but want to help

my stars SN is Battles_100

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12-28-2011 , 03:02 PM

#72

muppetx

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Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 10

I AM IN!

Spread the word!!!

FU pokerstars!

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12-28-2011 , 03:02 PM

#73

8Nilor

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,543

some claim our overall rake will be lower? rb % def less but perhaps thisis premature? dno

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12-28-2011 , 03:03 PM

#74

paletokio

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,237

In for the short handed rake BS.

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12-28-2011 , 03:03 PM

#75

lucknotskill

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,144

this is ridiculous. i spend the effort getting elite for the first time and now prob won't even maintain it thanks to this. will be in but will be in bahamas/at pca from tomorrow til jan 16. ffs stars gimme a break.

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