here's my humble suggestion: Scrap it and say Happy New Year.

the millions you plan on making from this could be offset from mass protests, cash outs, and bad publicity. no one wants to leave you stars...
'turn up the good. turn down the suck.'

and btw none of my anger is directed at steve... just wanted to make that clear.

Still IN this is ****ing ******ed.

Fixes I'll accept:


1) Keep the current rake caps, switch to 4.5% rake, 6.5x VPP multiplier across the board, keep WC

2) Keep the current rake caps, switch to 4,5% rake, keep dealt

3) Lower the rake cap 6-7 handed to $2.5, switch to 4.5% rake, 6x VPP multiplier, keep WC

Anyone of those is acceptable to me even though I take losses on some of them.

Steve, you got rid of one of the horrible changes (rake cap), but also got rid of one of the changes people liked (4.5% rake). Wtf was the point of that.


Stars management confirmed clicking buttons.

Some PartyPoker or Ipoker representative need to come in the thread and say:
"The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun, the Rake War has."

Gold Rush?

Stars are STILL the most nit-friendly site out there. Party don't want them either. Nits gonna nit, 90% will be back after the sit out.

POKERSTARS, STEVE:

Some people had no idea whether or not they would be raked more. Some incorrectly assumed much more rake. The micros needs a reduction, desperately.

With the WC winning players will lose a ton of value.

FR without the reduction is DEAD. It's already dead. Most people play for RB... now it's much much less?


This is a massive disaster. Partly due to everyone prematurely freaking out. Few people understand these changes. But what I do know is if you only add the WC.... any winning reg will greatly suffer.

Please think this through, please communicate more.


1 more time, please...pokerstars 1 more time. You have been forever great to us. Just 1 more time think this through properly.

Thank you.

This!

I ***** hate posts like this. They guy was creative and you are bashing him for telling them about 2+2. Wtf do you think 2+2 is a secret society or something?


Oh and btw I'm not in.

Eurosites <3

24 tables

Seems acceptable suggestions.

Again to reiterate: Nobody here is saying that WC is not a more fair system than dealt. We all agree. What we are saying is that changing from dealt to WC without giving back any of the money stars will make from the change, is unfair.

It's not like the rakeback is leaving some tighter regs and going to all the looser ones. Most regs are losing money and those who aren't losing money will gain very little if anything. (Remember, this is due to the fact that the people who will see the biggest increase in VPPs are fish. Fish have lower VIP levels and will therefore not be able to use their FPPs efficiently or earn the milestones that regulars earn due to their lack of volume). The only large gainer from the change, is PokerStars.

So say we all!

In for a prolonged strike!

Worst post ever!
So, you modify everything just for 5 max.
Slow up! Could you talk to us instead of making rash decisions.
The rake going back again to 5% is even worse; 4.5% was better.
Do talk to us!!!

Daniel Negreanu usually pushes for changes that benefit players, he has helped push through a lot of positives over the years. Maybe we should be tweeting him and suggesting he take a look at this?

This seems like a bad joke, I had great respect for the way PokerStars handled things until today, now its looking more like FTP style. Steve/stars, did you read the post? Because it seems like you just took back the one good thing for the fullring players (5% to 4.5% rake) and solved the rake increase in 5max, MOST of the players are complaining about the CHANGE FROM RAKE DEALT TO RAKE CONTRIBUTED, so I really don't understand your update, make a vote, ask ALL the players, etc...

Seriously disappointing the way Pokertstars is doing this around new year, the only thing that saves you a lot of customers is your monopoly.

I myself did not like the changes, but I accept them, what I don't like is now going back to a worse situation (yeah, im talking for fullring players) just because people complain about the increase in 5 max? I think its great that they did, but are you serious that to solve that problem you take the one little tiny good part of this away?

I love to play at Pokerstars, and I really hope you do the things right, I understand you cant make everybody happy but I think theirs WAY better ways to handle this changes.

Well, you maybe should learn how to beat the rake. 24 tabling robot.

When black friday happened a lot of the big players in the poker market disappeared overnight. Quite frankly, the smaller sites have made seemingly no attempt to capitalise on the situation and attract more players to their site. Now is the time to build a player base and get an influx of regular customers.

I usually play ~16 tables and run like 24-26/22. Thanks for your feedback though.

More in than ever...

This is all sad

Great idea.

PREFILLED TWEET TO DANIEL: HERE

Feel free to edit it and make it your own.

I think we should all sit at the same stake. We could probably block all the NL200 tables as opposed to people randomly sitting at different stakes.

I think we should start by targeting 1 or 2 limits and then spread. But if everyone who says they will participate does, we can block much more than that.

I think 100nl and 200nl is a good place to start.

still in

makes no sense for fr to get 6x and 6max 5.5x...

Why do you care about the long term health of Pokerstars..? They should be doing fine.

Do you mean long term health for the games? Taking money out of the poker economy isnt healthy.

I'd settle for a 6x multiplier for 6max and WC. Even though I hate WC I understand it is here to stay. Since this benefits FR players zero, a 10% addition to all milestone bonuses would be fair as well.

I never understood this. Why do short handed players get penalized for playing short handed? They end up paying more rake per hour per player than a fr.

Sent...

btw. I'm still in