Online? Till they too are busto.

U can get ur money returned to cake, just ask juicy. Someone in cake got 250 of his 1k pending before 2 years, and not an uk player, to wallet, the 750 was put back nonpending.

I cant get my cake money to juicy but i am using it to moving up w relatively less stress and if i make it, it has done enough good. What else one could hope for? I am happy to play on this network, my favorite.

To get the winnings out? I could take my deposit back if they dont mind, but from the business point they probably better not cash me more out, but i wouldnt mind getting it to juicy as an eu player, the action would continue but not at cake. I am for sale!

It makes absolutely no sense to compare Juicy Stakes with PokerStars.

Hello,

what you seem to have missed while rating in here about your $8,000 that juicy has stolen.
( Rep quote ) In 2014 we kept on paying you roughly $36,500 whilst raking $32.57
You did not mention any off these facts when you come in here slating juicy.

Think this is where your problem is. Now you are happy to play but if the 2,500 FPPs lower! you should off thought about playing there way before this happened. but before you withdrew $36,500 while raking $32.57 I think now its to late now to do anything. If you would have continued playing from the start you would not be in this situation. I bet back in the day when juicy was owned by cake and paying no one out in over 1.5 years you would have been delighted to have received $36,500 for your bankroll.

I know you ranting here a lot about how bad juicy is but I think the buck also has to stop with you for giving ZERO action in 2014 and just cashing out every week with NO play trough requirements .

Matt

why would i play with year of cashouts backlogged already? is it that hard for you people to understand. seems simple to grasp. You victim bashing people crack me up.

But weren't you playing when the prior owners weren't doing cashouts at all?

nope, once i was convinced their slow pays would turn into no pay i stopped. Their bs reasons only lasted so long before i seen the writting on wall and stopped giving them play

I think it's obvious at this point that public opinion is heavily against you tickin, which is rare in situations regarding legitimate player disputes with poker sites. I understand where you are coming from, but you cannot apply real world scenarios like bankruptcy and acquisition of assets to Juicy Stakes. The site isn't licensed (Curacao does not count as a license), they operate illegally in at least one country (USA), and their ownership is not known publicly. Cake was bankrupt, not paying players, and your money had turned into monopoly money. You hit the LOTTERY to even have a chance to cashout a dime. Imagine if you gave Lock players or Ultimate Bet players the same scenario you've been given, a play-through requirement on 6 figure bankrolls that otherwise would've disappeared forever. Does anyone in their right mind think they'd turn it down? Of course they wouldn't. Now that you get to make your argument post-buyout, it shouldn't change the narrative. You had two possible outcomes: no money or a playthrough. You should be grateful to Intertops instead of bashing them.

funny u guys are still fooled by the word "playthru". i guess if i was a poker site i could easily steal or not pay whoever i wanted by making an unachievable "playthru" and somehow u guppies wouldnt think twice about it. Ill just cap withdrawals at X and have a high "playthru" and i wont have to pay **** out to biggest winning players and get to keep all the deposits.

what part about 2500FFP for just one 1k cashout per week= 5k in rake @ 36% rakeback= 1800 in rakeback payment alone, which is +800 to my balance plus any winning, they never have offered to make me a non RB account because their intention was to never actually pay us anymore you think they came to this high ass FFP total randomly. They knew it would freeze the rest off the money they were suppose to payout to the old regs and they can scape goat behind it so it doesnt come off as horrid.

Its kind of comical im the one answering all the questions and attacks when im the person getting ****ed. Also by public opinion you mean the same accounts that stick up for this network everytime and potentially have skin in the game for doin so? like 39suited,santa cruz and yourself.

Im also a huge winner, if i played the amount of hands it would take to get 2500FFP a week i would win <1k alone(playing .50/1 and 1/2 either game) not even including 1800 in RB

As I said before, I do think that the amount that you need to rake is ridiculously high.. especially for a site that has low volume. Even on a non-rb account, that's still $2500 in rake plus possible cashout fees per 1k (also.. why do you only have a 1k max? I have a 2k max per check).

I'm just speculating, but I feel like they are retroactively applying the play through on the total amount that you had on your account when they took over (~44k?) instead of, what I'm assuming, is the 8k you had in your account when this play through was instituted.

Either way, it really is a ton of rake to have to pay. I think having a wager requirement (instead of a rake requirement), or a much smaller rake requirement, would be much more fair.

u have 2k max check on juicy stakes skin? thats weird as its been 1k/week max for everyone since they took over.

Like u requested a 2k check and they processed it and sent you a check for 2k recently

Stealing funds or setting unachiveable playthrough goals on players would not be very good for business and that is why we do not do that at Juicy Stakes. That is why you still have the balance from the old owners on your account , even though you didn't deposit that money with us nor have made one single deposit since we took over.
However, we have to be realistic and ask ourself, how much from our own money can we pay-out, without requirments, to one single player, who doesn't want to contribute to our site nor to the bail-out of his basically lost funds with previous owners? In your case it stopped at $48,500.

Instead we put our efforts on the players that do play at Juicy Stakes. Furthermore, accounts that were created after our take-over on October 9th 2013 and have deposited money, do not have these playthrough requirements to withdraw.

Fact is that we are paying out to players and we do it successfully, like you have experienced yourself! Didn't hear very many complaints from you when we paid you $48,500 even though the cash-outs were capped already from the beginning. At the contrary, you even told players to play. You were really happy when we stepped in and offered a possible solution to getting money paid out that were as good as lost with the old owners.

Your $5,000 rake for 2500 FPP calculation is also a bit wrong and not at all unachievable unless you don't want to play at all, that is.


As stated before Juicy Stakes uses the ‘Dealt Rake’ model which means that any player will be included in the rake calculation for any hand that the player has been dealt cards in.

All players that are dealt cards at a cash game table will earn 1 FPP for every dollar raked during that hand on that table, even those players that have not contributed to the pot in that hand.

This is an example you should read:

We have 9 players at a cash game table, all receive hole cards.
Six of the players fold pre-flop and do not contribute to the pot at all
Remaining 3 players play the hand and the rake at the table gets to be $3.
These $3 in rake for this hand on this table will give ALL 9 players 3FPP each (rakeback players get 1.5 FPP each) even those who folded pre-flop.

That means that for $3 in rake 27 FPPs were given out in this hand. If all players were non-rakeback players (9 players each get 3 FPPs). This gives us an average FPP value of $0.11 ($3 rake /27 FPPs = 0.11).
With this calculation 100 FPPs = $11 in rake (100 FPPs x $0.11 = $11), 2500 FPPs = $275 in rake (2500 FPPs x $0.11 = $275)

So you would have to rake $275 to get 2500 FPP with this kind of play.



In tournaments players get 7 FPPs for every $1 in tournament fees they pay (rakeback players get 3.5 FPP).

This is an example you should read:

If a non-rakeback player registers for a tournament with a buy-in of $20+$2, the fee is the $2 and the player will receive 14 FPPs ($2 fee x 7 FPPs = 14 FPPs). This gives us an average FPP value of $0.1429 ($2 rake /7 FPPs = 0.14286)
With this calculation 100 FPPs = $14.29 in rake (100 FPPs / 7 FPPs = $14.285), 2500 FPPs = $357.125 in rake (2500 FPPs x $0.14286 = $357.15).

So you would have to rake $357.125 to get 2500 FPP.


Lastly, you state that you are a huge winner and that if you accumulated the amount of hands it would take to get 2500FFP a week you would win <1k alone (playing .50/1 and 1/2 either game). This means, that you being a rakeback player, would according to my 9 player cash game example above rake roughly $550 - $600 to accumulate 2500 FPP and at the same time win $1,000. If you did this 8 times (2500 FPP x 8 withdrawals) to get your funds off the site you would not only win roughly $8,000 but you would also get roughly $1,500 - $1,750 ($550 x 8 = $4,400 x 36% = $1584 , ($600 x 8 = $4,800 x 36% = $1728) in rakeback payments. So when you have accumulated the requirements for the current funds on your account and withdrawn them you would have roughly $9,500 – $9,750 to withdraw without requirements.

I can see how that is a huge problem for you and something you wouldn't want.

Just out of curiosity, how much did tickin have to rake to get the 48,000? Considering the circumstances he should thank his lucky stars that he was able to get 48,000. Chazleys lock analogy was on the money. Lol at being licensed by curaco.

Hello,

I don't think you need to keep explain yourself to this guy anymore. you have been more than perfectly fair with everything you have done/said. He comes here ranting about his $8,000 you stole but did not quite tell us the whole truth that he has already been cashed out $48,500 with almost ZERO play.

keep up the good work juicy,

Matt

I agree that he shouldn't complain about the $8k given the $48k he's been paid, however, what's the point of winning $2k a week for example if you can only withdraw $1k?

Nothing.

And he complaints about the remaining 8k, while 1000s of other players in other cases received nothing at all. I have to agree with Juicy Stakes in his case.

I didn't realize that they paid him 48k I remember a guy complaining about having to rake for 58k guess it was him. That is being unbelievably ungrateful on his part. He should be kissing their feet figuratively.

So Juicy is asking him to contribute rake to get off the last 8k and he is complaining about the hardship? I was not aware of all this, I thought he had a legitimate gripe.

u said if i pay 275 in rake ill be able to cash out 1k. that would =2200 for my 8k balance. how about you just take 2200 and pay me just 5800. If you dont accept this deal then the numbers you skewed are complete bull**** or you just want me to play to superuse me. You should have no problem living up to agreement that 275$ gets me 1k cashout.

so they are squabbling over 2.2k when i have given them 5k in fee's alone to cashout recently. Just remove the 2200 which is like 28% tax plus ull get 800 in cashout fees so thats now 3k outta 8 you get to keep. that sounds plenty fair. I no longer trust not being cheated to play. Just deduct money and move on.

Juicy please quote them lifetime rake i did for your intertops skin and overall for the network. All u idiots keep saying zero play. I played on intertops thru out this ordeal until they completely stopped paying me on juicy. If you think a huge winner limited to 1k week should conti to play with 50k in account u gotta be ****ing brain dead. Please all u supporters put 10-20k on site. i beg u. so u can wait 10-20 weeks to get you deposit back. i bet ull be singing a different toon. Its would take u only few days to get that 10-20 on and 20 weeks to get it off.

Thank you Matt!

Adam

Juicy Stakes Affiliate Team

I hope you realize that if you had put your energy into raking that $275 a week rather than blackmailing, name calling, and whining, you could have had your money off the site by now.

275 is bull**** man, lol. you dont think i would play if it was 275 for just my portion of the 5k NEEDED TOTAL LOOL.

The avg game that runs is .25/50(of which their is 1 table running 6max currently) and it rakes avg of like 20 CENTS at most! per pot. Take a look Yourself. Rail the game for a few hands. Far from the 3/hand he used. Yea so simple to sit and watch 5k rake get take at .25/.50 that would just take me 25,000 hands single tabling.(5000 x .20 avg rake=25k).

I need to be at table for 5k rake taken. im well aware of the numbers and how much ill have to contribute at hu 6handed or fr game hence why im complaining about the situation. Its the juicy rep that doesnt know the numbers. You realize they dont take 3 dollar hand every hand right and most pots rake way under that for the stakes that run so that would increase the hands needed which would make my winnings go up also. ill prolly beat .25/50 for 15-20+bb/100.

Juicy Rep please use a realistic example: .25/.50 6max is avg biggest game and averagely rakes what looks to be .20 cents being generous a pot. i am also a RB player and they get 50% penalty on FFP. so i really need 5k


But its all solved publicly if they accept my offer.
Juicy rep you said all i needed was 275 per 1k cashout.so just deduct 2200 from my 8.3k and pay me the rest. I am a disgruntled customer and do not trust that i wont be cheated at this point if i play.

Or should i for **** and giggles rake 275 to watch u say i dont have enuff FFP to cashout to prove your whole **** wrong in public.

The only one who has been wrong in this forum has been you. You use childish methods over and over, as if it is going to get somewhere, and telling the world how great you are at poker. Why are you even bothering with this, if you could be spending this time on poker absolutely crushing it, essentially wasting your time ev? There has to be one reason and that is your used to getting what you want. As if childish antics are going to tarnish a room further, that has already been destroyed via Cake and Lock, and the previous owners of Juicy.

yea childish methods to inform the public that im ****ed outta 8k at unachievable policy giving the amount of FFP games that run my winrate and balance.

Everyone that has an opinion please post a screen shot of your balance this company holds that you stand behind so endearingly. Also i have privately and publicly I thanked them may times for the money i have received and am grateful but that doesnt change the fact that 8k is still stuck because of unattainable policies they put in place That they refuse to compromise. Let also be honest they didnt take over juicy to "bailout" the players. They took it over because they thought they would make money. Its no a charity. They had their motives to get involved, intertops could give a Flying **** about the players on another skin in the end. Did they give a **** about the lock players? how about the cake players? Those skin need your recuse since you in the eyes of other posters are only doin this for the "players"

Like i said i offer 2200 of my 8k balance to end this. The only reason they would want a disgruntled player to play at this point is that they are stubborn or superuser me. I cannot play under those stipulations. The relationship is tainted.

Long story short if they didnt have 1k cap cashout and the normal 3k week like is standard all the older players would be playing from day 1. They drove away their own business from the loyal regs they are searching for now

their 1k cap was their +ev line from the start
Me not playing with 50 in account and 1k week cap was my most +ev line but yet im getting **** for it

This is getting tiring going back and forth. So lets settle this. i offer 2200 outta my 8k to cashout do you accept this offer?

I just looked. There isn't just one .25/.50 game playing. There are four. As well as a 100nl and a 200nl game playing. Not to mention heads up games.

It's painful to listen to your ingratitude. The company that owned Juicy when you played there ran off with your money. The new owners have given you a large amount of money, that you otherwise would have never seen, out of their own pockets. And yet you complain, try to hurt their business and call them names because they put conditions on the final 8k. And yet you are shocked that posters aren't giving you more sympathy.

these conditions are unachievable given the reasons i have given.My winrate,Required rake,me having RB account,Existing balance. No clue why you still havnt gotten that thru your brain.

If they just want to say hey we weren't paying you anymore because xyz then whatever but dont hide behind this.

So Juicy rep im awaiting your answer 2200 tax to cashout my exisiting account of 8.3k. so ill end up with 5500 after tax and cashout fee's(100 on 6.1k @1kcap week) outta my 8.3k. so like 30% gone