Ill prefer to give them a chance to answer my request to pay me out the money i legitimately won with hours of my life playing their before i get deeper into this.

Juicy Stakes Rep I understand you took over alot of debts. I absolutely see your side of the story but you are blind when it comes to other side for us. You capped cashout because you had too at the time. That was a long time ago tho. We as the few players that you are screwing couldn't possibly think about playing when we had year+ worth of 1k week cashouts left. how could we play and add to the problem. I had no problem getting slowed paid as long as i did get my money in the end of course. if you needed time to get back on your feet i was fine getting 1k or whatever week in hopes you rebuild. but for the past 7 months i have gotten zero dollars since you decline everyone of my withdrawals. Why not just pay us out 500 week or something less with no play and more if we play. or you could just offer us some % for a tax. Your offer of 2500FFP(5k in rake week for 1k cashout. RB @ 36% so if i contributed 2500 out of the 5k a crewed, RB alone would be 900 week) week IS stealing money from the grinders you most desperately seek . You have the 8k to pay me personally out. its not some high balance like you claim. Please pay me my money so i can stfu about it. I am the most vocal of the people getting ****ed over because i never bought funds like the other people probably did. so if bad press is worth 8k you be the judge. Make me an offer man so we can put this to bed. its nothing personable and i will still play at your site after the fact if we reach a settlement. I offer for you to pay me out 6k with no restrictions then the last 2k i have to reach 2500 ffp in order to withdrawal. Hows that sound?

Why do players have to take 5k to withdraw 1k? I understand the concept behind having to rake before withdrawal but why so much?

Also, at what point does all of this end and people can withdraw as and when?

Hey,

Withdrawals can be issued via check, cash transfer or e-Wallet.

We do not charge any fees for e-Wallets!

The fees for withdrawal are $50 per check or $85 - $115 per cash transfer.

We do not charge any fees for e-Wallets!

You can withdraw upto $1,000 (inc fees)

We are continually looking at this and certainly would like to implement it in the future, but at this moment in time, we're unable to do so.


We're looking at this too, but we don't have a timeframe yet as to when this could be launched.

The majority of players can withdraw as and when they like. For the few who have been affected, it's tough to give a realistic answer and I don't want to throw around speculative dates just for the sake of it.

As the ecology continues to grow, withdrawing will become easier for those few players.

Hey,

Can you pm me your SN and I'll personally look into this.

Thanks

Adam


* Guys, I'll usally reply to everyone in one post via Multiquote to save spamming this thread, but I needed to get to 10 posts to enable my PM function. Thx

That's great to hear! I can't wait to start playing here more when this happens.

Grinders consistently take money out of the poker ecology, so they are pretty much the opposite of what Juicy Stakes / the Revolution Network should want right now. What they need is more recreational players that bring in fresh money and action to the tables.

Adam - without knowing how the current owners of Juicy came to own the shares, I actually don't think this situation is particularly complex.

Your company bought or otherwise acquired shares in or the assets a distressed company with a long list of unpaid creditors. If and when this happens in the normal corporate world, you would have got approval from the majority of creditors/lenders to proceed with your plan, since many of these are distressed and payments are long past due.

For whatever reason, you chose not to do that. In fact, it appears you didn't contact them at all, nor did the previous owners to do so. If I was doing this, despite being "certain" that the model would work, I would have wanted to get the approval of these creditors players first.

The guys with life changing sums of money (well, not money, because that has long gone, we'll call them player balances) are being told (not even asked) to expect their jam tomorrow. Maybe. If they are lucky.

Whilst you may be a white knight, your company has liabilities to people that it cannot meet. If you were registered in the US or UK for example, these creditors are likely to be able to petition you for bankruptcy. I can understand why these players aren't happy and aren't co-operating.

Hey Hoopie,

I don't like to swerve any points that people post, but I am not a lawyer, so I'm sure you can appreciate I don't want to speak for the company on some of the matters you raise, where it's not my expertise.

We have be in constant back and forth discussions with those players affected and I welcome any ongoing opportunity to speak to them or anyone else about this matter.

With regards to the above quote and your final paragraph in the post; I don't want to milk the "white knight" metaphor, we are after all a business, and here to make a profit - but we have paid out millions to players so far, with the aim of paying out everyone. I cannot overstate how confident I am that if we did not take over Juicy, nobody would ever be paid.

Thanks,

Adam

Just for full disclosure. Juicy has paid me out 1k week somewhere in the 35-50k range since the takeover im not sure of exact number. so they didnt entirely "stiff" me. The last 8k we have been periodically fighting about for past 7 months to which they havent bulged yet. The thing is also tho i HAVE given them action/rake/Liquidity on the network this whole time during getting slow paid on juicy on their intertops brand(in my eyes they are the same ppl). So im not a dormant account like the others. I have generated rake and started games on their. I would have done that on juicy but balance was too back logged and was handcuffed. I ask them to remedy the situation so i can play on juicy brand but they didnt offer a solution. Long time ago i asked to have 2 accounts on juicy so i can continue to draw-down my big balance account but also have the ability to be able to play and support the new network on a fresh zero money account. Seemed like a win win but nothing came from the offer.

I dont think they are thief's or scammers in the pure sense of the words and most likly have good intentions just their choice of policy has ****ed me over and without them paying me out my 8k will be lost. I have PM'd the rep and hes gonna see what he can do. Hopefully i come back in thread and say they made it right and just paid me out my little 8k and we both live happily every after. Seems i am only one in this thread this problem is affecting so it seems worth it to just pay me out to get some good PR

Just out of curiosity, why didn't you mention in your initial post ITT that you indeed got paid a lot of money already? The first impression was that "you are none of the guys with the big balances owed" and "only have 8k stuck". Was that a semi-bluff to once again have someone look into it?

My second post said
"This is not a complete bash as you have paid out those players for 1k week for months before doing this, which myself included 100% appreciate."

not besides the point that if they dont pay me my 8k its lost forever given the policy. so they didnt steal 35k only 8k nice job right. when every other person on the site is getting paid why cant i get paid?this isnt cake poker because over their noone is getting paid. Over at juicy everyone else is getting paid. if i lost 1k to a new account that deposited 100 they would pay it out that week correct? so whats the big deal if I personally get paid? Singling us out when our hands were tied isnt right. just slow pay us til the network is back to 100% healthly, dont just refuse to now payout. I Didnt do anything ****ing wrong, all my money was legitimately won. I have been on the network for years. You dont treat a loyal customer like this

but please tell me 39 suited since u always buzz around these threads who do you work for intertops or juicy or the network. no poster would give a **** as much as you do about if intertops took over juicy as u pipe up in many threads when other posters think the same. Also your concern for anything network or intertops or juicy related is unrivaled. no person without skin in the game would give a **** as much as you do and if you dont have skin in the game then GTFO of the thread if you dont play at juicy. If a site owed you 8k i wouldnt be cockblocking you to get it.

I just want my money i shouldnt have to plead/beg/play/Fight/Threaten to get it. Whats the big deal. If they want good press they will make this right. its 8 ****ing k. should be little to them as they prolly pay out hundreds of thousands a month to players

Hello Adam,

I think it is very good that you are here as a juicy stakes rep but please we need to START off with the truth and I would like to address and point out a few !

this I can confirm 100% that intertops has taken over juicy stakes. Why you would not tell the truth still amazes me. I am not sure what a difference it's going to make. You obviously have your own reasons. I had very high up contacts in the cake network in which you ( intertops )was given juicy stakes poker as part off the deal because at the time the network owed you $859,000 I also told only 3 players about the day all the papers was signed, nick Melios ( network owner ) and Edd the network manager was present. Then it took 3 months for you to speak with there security team in Dublin Ireland and was complete . I will not mention the 3 players I told but they no who there are and they are able to feel free to come here to back up what I am saying. so why you still deny it?

Your quote off "but we have paid out millions to players so far" is a total lie because at the time you took over juicy stakes the whole player balances total was 1.75m so you paying out millions is a total lie. I think it's great that you are paying the players out 1k weekly but the 2,500 FPPs is a joke and holding players money is even worse only if it is your quoted " 5%". when you took over juicy stakes you knew what the player balances were and was happy to go ahead with the deal. So why hold players money to ransom?

You also say the network has had trouble over the years, But here you are still on the network! why? The network now only has 12 poker sites. And Up until 3 months ago there was only 2 sites on the network paying out now there is only 1 but this site has many losing players so at the end off the month the poker site is always owing the network so always able to pay out. by this is mean the sites on the network sharing all player tables up to 10/20 not yourselves as your tables are limited.

To get this thread up running to start you need to be telling the truth very bad form to start off with a lies to start with.

Thanks

Where is the proof?

It is even not stated in your terms of service.

Hey,

Thanks for posting. For obvious reasons, I can’t go into specific financial details or our company. However, I really just feel the need to clarify the point that nothing I have said in this thread so far or going forward has or will be a lie. Even if I post something which is turns out to be factually incorrect, it will not be because of deliberate misrepresentation. The Juicy Stakes management are obviously looking at this thread and will ask me to correct any mistakes if I make any. So far, I stand by everything which has been posted, but there are obviously limits as to how much more detail I'm prepared to go into in certain areas.

The network has had trouble in the past yes, but we believe by taking over Juicy Stakes and doing things the way we have so far, we can help to turn things around - which is a positive step for Juicy, the network and most importantly the players.

I’ll look into the specifics of this. But let me assure you - nobody from our team would go anywhere near this project if funds were not segregated from the very start. It's the most important and basic principle of running a safe and secure site.

At the moment, all of the money which we are currently raking is actually going back into the player funds pool to help with withdrawals.

Thanks

Adam

Hey guys!

A couple of things,

For those of you who enjoy playing with us away from the poker tables, tomorrow sees the start of two week Blackjack leaderboard.

Deets are here

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The package includes;

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· $600 to help with travel expenses.
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Round-trip airport transportation (PUJ Airport only)
Welcome party access

Look out for it qualifiers in the lobby next week, look forward to having a beer on the beach with as many of you as possible!

Let me know if you need any more info in regards to this,

Thanks,
Adam

How can you confirm anything without stating exactly how you are in a position to do so? It's kind of ironic that you are accusing Juicy of being dishonest by omitting information while you yourself are omitting any information you feel like omitting. Does your omissions, in and of themselves, also mean that you are lying? And how can you possibly think that you can get away with saying that 3 players can back you up and not name those players?

It's been common knowledge since Juicy was bought out that Juicy and Intertops are extremely closely connected. I don't even see anything of substance getting exposed here.

Juicy Stakes Rep,
Its been awhile and i havnt heard back by either email or pm. What is the deal with paying me my 8k. im going to withdrawal a request again today so lets make sure it goes thru. Thank You

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It is even not stated in your terms of service.[/QUOTE]

I am far from an expert on industry specifics but is it possible to have genuinely segregated funds in one of these network/skin models?

Juicy Stakes Rep,

If you can't offer players a free monthly cashout couldn't you atleast offer them the ability to earn one? Like a certain amount of FPPs per month gets you qualified for a free cashout the following month?

For obvious reasons this could be what's called a "win/win" for Juicy, imo.

You may say that this isn't possible, but I think this site could really use a few prop players to generate more traffic.

Really impressed by the site rep. When you start offering bitcoin deposits/withdrawals I'll definitely be playing there.

IRT the players who had 5+ figures stuck there, I'm inclined to side with Juicy here. Is it a perfect solution? No. But guess what? You had zero leverage, and the alternative was having your funds lost forever. I understand it sucks, but I'd rather be pissed off at a solution that results in getting my money back than losing my money forever.

Hey, Thanks for your suggestion. I agree it is win/win for us - but of course it needs to be fair to all of our players too.. I'll forward it on the team and get some feedback for you.

I'm sure this would have come up as a possible idea in the original strat for how to build an ecology and might have been dismissed at the time. I'll see where the guys stand on this at the moment.

Keep the suggestions coming, guys.

Hey Guys,

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Adam.