people dont miss that point. its only that this point is like one of the most delusional things ive read on 2+2 in a while.
it was adressed countless times by knowledgable players over and over again that
a) the micro rake is too high
b) the plo rake is too high
c) alot of other formats where the rake is too high

Stars is well aware of that.
And now when they say **** you to every single regular you expect them to consider rake decreases for some games where the rake is to high while they just increased the rake across the board??? bc some regulars choose not to play 3days of the month? c'mon!




And this is another problem. it's a boycot for a limited amount of time. If you really wanted to get some traction than this boycot would be unlimited. Every player would sign up for "i dont play another hand of poker at Stars unless some/all demands are met and i will refrain from attending any sort of live poker event organized by Stars". You dont force a multi billion dollar company to do anything by boycotting them a little bit.
And even if every signup would boycot them indefinitely

a) nothing would happen until a certain site becomes big enough to really compete
b) we would have a massive prisenors dillemma which is completely unavoidable no matter wat is done anyways


this all comes down if people are willing to sacrifice (sometimes huge amount of) shortterm dollar for (possible!) longterm dollar, longterm ecosystem and change -
AND
if one of the boycot leaders is essentially attending a Stars run event (which isnt even soft lol) during the first scheduled boycot it becomes fairly obv that probably the vast majority isnt able/willing to make that sacrifice

go go go

all the best guys!!

kill those greedy pigs

I remember one of the uppers from Stars in the Scheinberg-era comparing the company Pokerstars with a super-tanker where changes have to be made carefully and not abrupt. Driving a super-tanker like a sportscar doesn't make someone look that smart and Amaya is doing this right now.

Amaya overpaid for Stars and very likely had a mistaken idea of how successful they could sell their slots- and casino-bulls*** to the customer-base of Stars. They try to compensate this now with cuts in almost every area as we can see in all lately announced changes.

Considering this I don't have much hope that striking will have any impact and personally will leave Stars for good in 2016. Chances for Amaya going tits up are quite good imo and hopefully Stars will have a more suited owner within the next years.

I'm in

tappiinasti, mid-high PLO

dont you people understand, Amaya is a corporation. the changes suck, but like daniel said: stock price. another strike is pointless.

friend of mine is in D****** plo50.

By the way did they announce yet how the new vip program will look like exactly?

Im in.

DonkPredator HS PLO, 5card and 5card hi/lo.

And will be cashing out 150k

This seems to be the key action that people should consider. We are talking about theft here. Go after what is owed to you in a legal sense and then take your business elsewhere after that.

Easier said than done of course...good luck to those severely affected by this.

Im in. Odd_Oddsen hs PLO, supernova elite

In.

Withdrawing 50%

LS/MS Mtt's

Maybe if Anski and some other guys would wear these shirts at PCA their trip wouldn't be so pointless for the protest movement:

NJ player and I only check in on these threads as it might affect me a little in 2016 but this post is awesome. I think you should do this strike and figure out a 1k+ group of regulars to permanently strike in 2016. Ill bet there's plently of ways to make a solid poker income as a row. You have to show them you can really hurt them. But oh well. Best of luck either way.

+1

I have always been supportive of these efforts but 7 days / 10% is just a joke and realistically not enough to make them take notice

In,

T******, NL50-200 Rush

upcoming boycott is a result of the compromise between russian community and tiltbook/western. originally, rus community planned month-long/termless strike. ansky and co planned just 10% cashouts. they think they can influence on amaya with all that 'communication' **** who literally laughed at our efforts on 1-3 dec in their official statement. wont be surprised if ansky and co would step back and hit it like negreanu playing fools after meeting stars executives in january

the problem is that for most of people "stolen money" thing is not clear. they are likely to believe all that poker news sites who are covering this situation by stating this changes are good for poker and giving all that arguments like "ecology", "stars dont owe smn a salary", "it influences only greedy 2% players" and smth like that. what's more important stars have already given feedback (hollreiser, negreanu blog) that they like how things are going on after the first boycott. it would be naive to continue dealing with the problem in a 'peaceful/diplomatic' way. the objective of boycott is to show stars that they are wrong about '2% of useless players' by affecting their revenue. it is relatively smooth way of offering them an option to stop destroying industry and fooling people.

^ what he said, totally this

RIP

Im in
I wont play from 1-7 january, i will withdraw.
Plo400-plo2k , 500kvpp on 2015
Already won sats for pca/lapt bahamas so i will play live events though

In, small-midstakes NLHE. 400k vpps 2015.

I am also in
plo400-2k, 765k vpp this year

Twitter account: https://twitter.com/dontkillpoker

im in, zoom 100 and 200. 400k vpps last year

I can't wait till the reg grinders finally leave the site. All this talk of striking and withdrawing is tedious. Just leave already. Go play somewhere else. We (recs) don't care about you and neither does Amaya.

I actually lol whenever I see people writing "I'm in" and their username or posting screenshots of withdrawls. Are you guys dense? Do you not realize that is what Amaya wants? The more you strike, the better.

i understand why you think like this but you are just wrong. all this communication from stars is just lies on top of lies and you should re-consider that all these regs are just selfish people looking to increase/save their ev, a lot of these changes are just bad for everyone. dunno what stakes you play or volume but a considerable number of supernova rec. players are losing out significantly, as are any players playing 5/10+ cg for example.

on a less direct note a lot of games won't even run anymore as regs will no longer be willing to start games, and some games will get tougher as regs are forced to move down due to higher effective rake -> regs moving down -> games getting tougher etc so games will be tougher for you too.

if it helps you consider what i am saying a little more, i have no problem with the banning of HUDs etc for example.