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Old 07-16-2018, 08:49 PM   #1
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IGNITION AND BOVADA SCAMS AM I ONLY 1 DIDN'T KNOW?

So I feel the pain of the person above ...I have a recorded phone call now for proof that Ignition Casino and Bovada are operating without a Gaming License or a Rng current certificate......I need someone to tell me later of what I should do about it. I have been scammed for 2700$ from the site and was pressured by the Ignition worker to use bitcoin cash as a withdrawl method and never recieved my funds. I found out the funds were sent to a bitcoin account that is not linked to my account. I believe the worker had sent it to their own personal account or advised me to send it to the incorrect account deliberatley. I have spent 3 months callling them and asking them about my payout just like the person above stated I got the run around and always told that they are looking into it. Now with my research and talking to a woman that controls most of the calls who had lied to me several times over the phone about the license and operating legally, when in fact they are not legal. I am gonna tell my story all over the internet because maybe it will save some other anxious poor soul from the scam artists that call themselves people! I don't know how the worker's can even look at themselves in the mirror. I want them to fear the law and be shut down for operating under such conditions! THIS IS THE SHORT VERSION OF WHAT HAPPENED TO ME I HAVE BEEN PLAYING ON THE SITE AND HAD NO CLUE THEY ARE BLACKLISTED AND WITHOUT A GAMING CERTIFICATE SINCE 2016! MY FUNDS ARE SITTING IN NO MANS LAND SOMEWHERE THANKS TO THE SECURITY OF THE SITE! I WISH THERE WAS A BITCOIN SPECIALIST THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED BUT THINK I KNOW!
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:55 PM   #2
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Re: IGNITION AND BOVADA SCAMS AM I ONLY 1 DIDN'T KNOW?

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So I feel the pain of the person above ...I have a recorded phone call now for proof that Ignition Casino and Bovada are operating without a Gaming License or a Rng current certificate......

I need someone to tell me later of what I should do about it. I have been scammed for 2700$ from the site and was pressured by the Ignition worker to use bitcoin cash as a withdrawl method and never recieved my funds. I found out the funds were sent to a bitcoin account that is not linked to my account. I believe the worker had sent it to their own personal account or advised me to send it to the incorrect account deliberatley.

I have spent 3 months callling them and asking them about my payout just like the person above stated I got the run around and always told that they are looking into it. Now with my research and talking to a woman that controls most of the calls who had lied to me several times over the phone about the license and operating legally, when in fact they are not legal.

I am gonna tell my story all over the internet because maybe it will save some other anxious poor soul from the scam artists that call themselves people! I don't know how the worker's can even look at themselves in the mirror. I want them to fear the law and be shut down for operating under such conditions!

THIS IS THE SHORT VERSION OF WHAT HAPPENED TO ME I HAVE BEEN PLAYING ON THE SITE AND HAD NO CLUE THEY ARE BLACKLISTED AND WITHOUT A GAMING CERTIFICATE SINCE 2016! MY FUNDS ARE SITTING IN NO MANS LAND SOMEWHERE THANKS TO THE SECURITY OF THE SITE! I WISH THERE WAS A BITCOIN SPECIALIST THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED BUT THINK I KNOW!
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Old 07-16-2018, 11:25 PM   #3
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So I feel the pain of the person above ...I have a recorded phone call now for proof that Ignition Casino and Bovada are operating without a Gaming License or a Rng current certificate......I need someone to tell me later of what I should do about it. I have been scammed for 2700$ from the site and was pressured by the Ignition worker to use bitcoin cash as a withdrawl method and never recieved my funds. I found out the funds were sent to a bitcoin account that is not linked to my account. I believe the worker had sent it to their own personal account or advised me to send it to the incorrect account deliberatley. I have spent 3 months callling them and asking them about my payout just like the person above stated I got the run around and always told that they are looking into it. Now with my research and talking to a woman that controls most of the calls who had lied to me several times over the phone about the license and operating legally, when in fact they are not legal. I am gonna tell my story all over the internet because maybe it will save some other anxious poor soul from the scam artists that call themselves people! I don't know how the worker's can even look at themselves in the mirror. I want them to fear the law and be shut down for operating under such conditions! THIS IS THE SHORT VERSION OF WHAT HAPPENED TO ME I HAVE BEEN PLAYING ON THE SITE AND HAD NO CLUE THEY ARE BLACKLISTED AND WITHOUT A GAMING CERTIFICATE SINCE 2016! MY FUNDS ARE SITTING IN NO MANS LAND SOMEWHERE THANKS TO THE SECURITY OF THE SITE! I WISH THERE WAS A BITCOIN SPECIALIST THAT COULD EXPLAIN WHAT HAPPENED BUT THINK I KNOW!
If you sent Bitcoin Cash to a Bitcoin wallet, then you're correct, and your money is almost certainly gone.

If this was indeed the problem, then blaming anyone other than yourself and maybe Roger Ver, seems inappropriate to me.

I've made dozens of withdrawals with each method, and other than feeling a little dirty for temporarily owning some BCH, I've never had a single issue.
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Old 07-17-2018, 12:47 AM   #4
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Re: IGNITION AND BOVADA SCAMS AM I ONLY 1 DIDN'T KNOW?

Sorry for the harsh reality but sounds like you accidentally sent the funds to the wrong address or as someone else noted accidentally sent bitcoin cash to a bitcoin wallet. In either case, sucks but that's not unique to online poker, being even one digit or letter off can mean funds transferred via bitcoin (or any crypto really) are lost forever unless you accidentally send it to an honest person by mistake who returns it.

Also, I've never heard of a poker/casino site or any other site that deals in bitcoin transactions to ask you by live chat (or email/IM/mail) to provide your bitcoin address. Usually, and I've had no issues getting money off Bovada via both courier check (2016 and even with delays they gave me free bonus money no rollover for the delay) and also bitcoin (2017 and 2018) and when you do a Bitcoin withdraw you copy YOUR receiving address into the specified line on the Cashier when you're logged into your account not give it over email or live support chat/call.

Here's an example of their Bitcoin Withdraw Screen: https://www.beatthefish.com/wp-conte...te-payouts.jpg

As for their license, yes it's true Bovada/Ignition gave up their KGC license after the state of New Jersey pressured and made an agreement with the KGC to not allow sites not licensed in New Jersey to operate there. I'm not sure the details of what NJ did to force the KGC to revoke licenses (and it sounds like operaters licensed in NJ probably put financial/political pressure on the state in return for "protecting" their investments in state only sites). My guess is Bovada/Ignition realizes that as online poker comes back online regulated state by state in the USA that players will choose to go advertised and full licensed/regulated/government approved sites to play and that without that kind of backing, why play on Bovada when you can play on a state site proven to be safe? And Bovada appears to be looking for a new licensing body but at the same time by dropping the license they can operate in most states which wouldn't be allowed in states like NJ had they kept servers and license with KGC.

Honestly it's shady but I don't think for the reason you're suggesting. It sounds like old school political and financial pressure (NJ sites pressuring government to squeeze out competition).

Here's articles on it:

https://www.onlinepokerreport.com/22...bling-license/

https://www.uspoker.com/blog/bovada-...license/15275/

Also I don't see anything about Bovada/Ignition losing or dropping RNG certifications which can be done/renewed via independent companies such as iTech Labs: http://www.itechlabs.com.au/certific...a_12052016.pdf

And to be fair yes that RNG certification was updated last in May 2016 before they dropped they KGC license but would a massive company like Bodog (that owns Bovada/Ignition) really suddenly decide "eh a government entity is forcing our licensing body to drop all sites, so let's just drop it now and while we're at it just change the RNG." I mean I guess it's a good cover up for it but I don't know how long they'd last after that once players started sniffing it out (since many players do go over hand databases and Bovada readily provides hand histories (including a believe hole cards for all players after 24 hours).


Just trying to point out what information exists out there based on your concerns. Def be more careful with bitcoin and crypto transfers, one wrong typo can cost you lots of cash. Sorry you had that happen to ya.

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Old 07-17-2018, 08:29 AM   #5
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Re: IGNITION AND BOVADA SCAMS AM I ONLY 1 DIDN'T KNOW?

I have withdrawn multiple times from Ignition/Bovada to my Trezor Wallet. Never had any issues at all and I've deposited and withdrawn at least 10-15 times. As for their gaming license and RNG certificate, that doesn't surprise me one bit. I am of the belief that playing on that site was essentially caveat emptor. I was willing to take the risk to play. Not saying that it's right, but being in the USA you have limited options and Bovada is one of them.
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Old 07-17-2018, 08:35 AM   #6
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I have withdrawn multiple times from Ignition/Bovada to my Trezor Wallet. Never had any issues at all and I've deposited and withdrawn at least 10-15 times. As for their gaming license and RNG certificate, that doesn't surprise me one bit. I am of the belief that playing on that site was essentially caveat emptor. I was willing to take the risk to play. Not saying that it's right, but being in the USA you have limited options and Bovada is one of them.
I still have about 1k on there I play 50nl with and feel like it's shady every time I log on. Buyer beware. It's worth the risk to me and makes up a small enough portion of my BR I don't lose sleep but I've always found it to be a super sketchy situation.
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Old 07-19-2018, 07:20 PM   #7
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Re: IGNITION AND BOVADA SCAMS AM I ONLY 1 DIDN'T KNOW?

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And Bovada appears to be looking for a new licensing body but at the same time by dropping the license they can operate in most states which wouldn't be allowed in states like NJ had they kept servers and license with KGC.
Bovada and Ignition Casino operate in the same states that they operated in when they had their KGC license. They also exclude the exact same states as before.

In other words, the loss of the KGC license did not change either company's policy with regard to the fact that they do not operate in the states of New Jersey, Delaware, and Nevada (the states with regulation on the books). Furthermore, they do not operate in Maryland.

Nothing changed with the loss of the KGC license.


Also, the two source you cited, OPR and USP, are both owned and operated by Catena Media... a huge, debt-fueled conglomeration of gambling websites. They are very anti-offshore gaming / pro-US-regulation. Keep that in mind any time you read their articles. (they are also the company that bought and ruined PokerScout among many others)


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