Hello cc11,

His username is DOMASS and I believe yours is xxxxxxxxxxxTPA.
You guys played only 23 hands HU out of which only 6 were big pots. It's true he was lucky against you, but after further investigations on this username I have to say nothing illegal happened.
Best Regards,

Lol just give up cc11, they won't ever admit that there are superusers at their site, because then who would play their game anymore?

By "investigation" they mean "oh he called a shove preflop 25bb deep with 72o against your QQ and the flop comes Q4653, 20 times in a row, but it's just standard poker, nothing illegal at all. A straight beats a set right? So nothing special to see here".

Oh and if anyone wants to see concrete evident of how there is a kind of bots who could control the board runout and the card distribution, head over to http://p8poker.com (also an Asian site). There are literally hundreds of bots currently playing there at any stakes. I did an experiment by playing the lowest stakes there HU against a bot, limp in then call down every single hands no matter the board to force show down and see the bot's cards. I lost 30/30 hands, and I can hit a pair only ~6.7% by the river (whereas you should have a pair ~30% of the time ON THE FLOP even with the most raggy starting hands). So for anyone who is skeptical about the existence of this kind of bots/superusers, just test it out for yourself.

I have played about 20k hands there now and a few hours on p8

i experienced the same thing on p8, i literally lost 100% of my hands vs everyone that wasnt a complete donk.. i could only win vs the few fish yet those were not half decent asian regs.

idn has action flops every single hand, if you ever win a little bit too much above nl80, someone completely nuts joins the table wins 100% of pots for 10-20 hands, empties the table and leaves even if you reload.

Both sites are scams just like GG network, except GG actually hides it enough that you can win long term if you avoid the cheaters.

I play 20-25k hands in NL300-NL750.


I have felt exactly the same.

Lost 5k on here too, hate myself for it
100% sure I got cheated, idk why I am giving those crappy asian networks always a try while I am winning solid on all the big sites.
****ing greed.

Confirmed boys, bots def can't do this.

I basically had the same experience as everbody else. Grinded my way up to nl700 there twice. I also noticed the same thing above nl80. I would also say that the likelihood of those accounts being at your table increased with the stake.(personal experience) Its a shame since the usual asian player there which is not cheating basically plays like playmoney on stars(at least thats what i imagine how playmoney on stars is like)

no playmoney on stars plays better, this is basically facebook playmoney poker.

the only way to win is to join full tables and leave if the players change.

I stopped playing there although I was winning big ($5k+/week), because I know how easy it is to lose it all to a series of "coolers", "bad beats". And I don't feel protected at all by the site, so it's better to give up some +EV to play in safe networks instead where you can be confident and play with a peace of mind. Btw I still couldn't withdraw all the money yet, they say they have problems with their banks and told me to wait. The fact that I had a new color code for players in my notebook for "confirmed human" says it all.

Yeah you could still win at the lower stakes. The superusers only bother to go hunt in high stakes.

Btw a few more very important thing you need to know, if you decide to play at IDN still:
- They rake every single pots. So even if you are in the Big Blind and get a walk, you still get raked
- They even rake no-caller side pot. Imagine if a 10bb stack shoves, and you isolate by shoving 50bb with AK. Everyone else folds. You will get raked 3% for the 40bb side pot that "you win". Super ridiculous. I have never seen a poker site, live or online, that has this kind of rake system. It tells you how greedy the site is. You will have to change your strategy to take into account this kind of thing (e.g. only min isolate, never shove to isolate, or even do not isolate at all)

something i find interesting about this thread is the claims that there are 'ultrauser' accounts (super user doesnt do justice to what people are claiming) multiple accounts that have the ability to actually control the rng seems to be a pretty big deal as nothing like this has been seen in the online poker world to date and i imagine news of this should be plastered front page of every online poker related site. yet things seems pretty quiet.

Only locals play there, you need an agent to get on it.
My guess is that they only target foreigners.

Also just watch any of the vids to see the constant action flops, its really weird. Reminds me a bit of dollaro on steroids and HGH

Get yourself an account on p8poker and try the lowest stakes. They don't even bother to hide it anymore, most regulars have quitted the network, only a few gullible rich new beginners still play there. At least on IDN the "ultrausers" as you name them only target high stakes players, and only once in a while.

I am 100% sure that the bots at p8poker are from the owners of the network. Hundreds of bots play there at all stakes, yet nothing is done about it. However, every time we find a leak in the bots' strategy and win big from them, the next day the network stops "in maintenance", and after the update (we do not have to update our client, so the "update" is obviously only done on server side) the leak is fixed completely. On IDN at least it's not done as blatantly, so I will not accuse the network owners yet. But be aware that something like this do exist, and can be observed easily.

The sad part is that IDN proves that poker can still be as good as it was 10years ago even with 3rd world countries.

Afaik IDN had and still has superusers an i honestly believe my source who is a big asian affiliate. Szories itt seem to confirm this.

That being said there are ALOT better options in rgds to asia which are neither rigged/nor superused

Which would be...?

What I don't understund is after all this reports there are still western players chasing the money being greedy and trying to win on this rigged site.. I can't understund, two players added me with their suspicious about IDN but they don't want to believe and they will pay the consequences...

People continued to play on UB & AP for years after it was proven, and they had admitted, there had been superusers on their site (not to mention all the other shady **** they pulled), and you're surprised that people continue to play on a network that has a handful of anecdotal reports of cheating?

At first I thought this superuser thing was a bit far fetched but there are some pretty big regs chiming in on this thread now - won't be depositing on IDN. Yes the superuser behavior would seem illogical but so were the superusers on UB/AP.

Played a few thousand hands on this site before calling it quits. It really wouldn't surprise me if it were rigged or filled with superusers.

Almost looks like a classic pump and dump strat

- Create action flops to maximize rake revenue
-Have superusers appear intermittently at higher stakes to skim some more off the top
-Sell the company when the books look good enough

Not bothering to hide superuser behavior makes sense if you're going to offload the business.

so they rigging the deal or what? run the numbers

That seems to be the consensus of pretty much anyone who played for a long period of time on that site at mid/high stakes. You can watch the videos linked in the first page and draw your own conclusion. If you decide to play there anyway, then be extremely vigilant, and don't say we didn't warn you.

Didn't see this until now. I lost around 60-70k in December playing on IDN and some other chinese site. Got kind of suspicious after busting the first 2 deposits.

[12/30/2016 4:58:38 AM] Jason: Message me when you read this.
[12/30/2016 5:42:19 AM] xx: heya
[12/30/2016 5:48:19 AM] Jason: Can we have a call for 5mins and I screenshare and you tell me this isnt rigged.
[12/30/2016 5:49:33 AM] xx: Yeah we can, gf sleeping though so maybe in a few hours. What happened?
[12/30/2016 5:49:53 AM] Jason: I'll show you later
[12/30/2016 5:49:58 AM] Jason: Just a lot of very odd things happening.
[12/30/2016 5:50:20 AM] Jason: The top 3 in the rake race playing very suspicious I'd bet money on them being superusers.
[12/30/2016 5:50:32 AM] Jason: It's impossible. 2 friends sweated me and say the same
[12/30/2016 5:52:16 AM] xx: Ok yeah show me later
[12/30/2016 8:05:22 AM] xx: Ok gf is up now
[12/30/2016 8:15:32 AM] Jason: Ait
[12/30/2016 8:15:34 AM] Jason: Quick call?
[12/30/2016 8:38:55 AM] xx: Hey sorry was eating. Yeah can call whenever. Should I fire up Teamviewer?
[12/30/2016 8:40:07 AM] Jason: 5mins
[12/30/2016 8:43:17 AM] Jason: Ready?
[12/30/2016 8:43:23 AM] xx: Yup
[12/30/2016 8:43:43 AM] *** Call to xxx ***
[12/30/2016 9:11:11 AM] *** Call ended, duration 27:28 ***
[12/30/2016 11:08:42 AM] Jason: the guy just sat me
[12/30/2016 11:08:45 AM] Jason: u wnna sweat for a sec?
[12/30/2016 11:08:52 AM] xx: yeah
[12/30/2016 11:09:15 AM] Jason: nvm he left


Anyways. Money is gone.

60-70k? Pls tell me its chinese currency and not USD
Whats the other chinese site so people can stay away?

PokerMonster. But I might have just ran bad there. And yeah it's USD. I think the max stake on IDN was 3.2kUSDNL so yeah.