its a web based client, so basically terrible.

Regarding their recent change to the conversion rate, after about a week with a lot of complaint and pressure from the players, they've decided to give back the money. At least they do listen to the players from time to time.

I've never seen so many bad beats happen on big site like ps or 888, single table some more. The short stackers will haunt you and then rebuy lowest amount I believe they are bots mostly doesn't say anything.

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Any news on this "second biggest" poker site shadiness. The pokerscout traffic numbers look kinda "exaggerated" IYAM

Yeah wondering about any updates because of traffic as well. Whole thing is shady.
Also how the **** can traffic be that high is client is web-based? I mean it must be worse again on mobile?

I dont know how "real" the traffic is
But dont forget that the asian market is HUGE and filled with so much potential
Maybe they found a way to efficiently reach asian players?
But obviously stay away from this scam!

Hello,

The traffic is real. In some evenings you might even find 10k+ players online. Please keep in mind that by default you can only play one table at IDN, so it's not that unbelievable to have 10k players online on their smart phones or tablets in a market like Asia. Most of them play with minimum buy-ins and have no notion of open raise or pot odds. You will very often notice everybody at the table limping or shoving around 20bbs. Postflop, whatever the action might have been preflop, they are mostly checking or min-betting so once again, you might have odds even with 55 on K49 rainbow to hit the set. I have a hard time believing how any regular can't make ton of money on this network. It is basically like play money, softer than Dollaro in its best times. Also, as a grinder, you only have to find a way to multi table, because you cannot only play one table.

I personally made test deposits and withdrawals, withdrawal took less than 20 minutes. I advice everyone however to work with a trusted affiliate because on these unknown networks there can appear a lot of issues or misunderstandings and an affiliate can solve all those for you.

The fact that IDN only offer in browser play or mobile versions, so no downloadable client also proves that it is used basically like a play money website. The games are softer than on zynga poker, however, you cannot put players on ranges, because they are clicking buttons and are making random moves. I have personally seen a flop with a full stacker iso-raising and 6 callers. 6 callers after him. It was insane. The board came something like 236 and 4 of them have gone all in, one with 24, another one with 39, another one with q4 and somebody else with 5x. I personally couldn't believe that you can still find such a thing in 2017 where games are very reggish even on mainstream sites which do not allow HUDs (see Unibet cash games).

I have to confess that I haven't seen any 3-bet on IDN? Why? Because there is no open raising, not even min-open raising. Everybody either limps or shoves preflop. You have to adapt your ranges to tournament plays. For instance, you only have 20 up to 40bbs players after you. You have 77 from MP. How do you play them? On this site nobody has ever seen a 2x or 3x open raise. So you decide to open raise? You limp? You go all in? You fold? These are the hands very hard to play because if you open raise, anybody calls and you don't have set odds with so many short stackers. I guess it's better to fold such hands on such game flow. You really have to take a look and notice what happens at the tables. You have to change your playing style, I wouldn't recommend to play like a nit, because you have plenty of edge postflop, but I can tell you, you have 0 fold equity on this site, so don't ever think bluffing is an option. If you have aces, you can even shove preflop, I have a hard time believing someone won't call you with J4s or QTs. Don't just open raise with premium hands because all the table will call you. Will if you shove, it confuses them and at least 1 of them will call. If you open raise 10x, I don't know, you can try this too. Test and see what it works. You will definitely lose money in the first week.

Also, very important, the games run in IDR (Indonesian Rupiah). VIP tables start with 1.000.000 IDR maximum buy in. This means around NL70 USD. Very important, at a 6-max table 4 or 5 players will join with minimum buy-in, meaning 20% of the max buy in. So if you want to play 100.000 IDR tables, don't join 100.000 IDR tables, join 500.000 IDR tables, which actually means NL35 USD, but with villains having stack similar to NL7USD.

I can tell you a lot about this network, but the fact is, if you are reluctant, it is better to stay away and play on mainstream poker sites where you seem comfortable. But if you want to make a ton of money, I have a hard time believing that you can find a better place to grind in 2017. You have play money players while you have skill and edge at every single spot.

Ive tried gamble it up from rm20 to rm1800 +- in less than 2 weeks, after I lost around rm350 playing 2500/5000 in these high stakes, the players are still buying minimum after winning big made me suspicious they are bots. Most of them don't even talk especially 9 handed table, where majority buy in so less.

There's no way a grinder could make money in long run facing this type of player, basically a coin flip against their all in...its frustrating I've to fold against a 20bb 3b shove likely to be middle pair against my AQ where I knew almost the system gonna flop a set for them.

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Sorry mate, you made me laugh. If you don't make money on this site, simply quit poker. IDN = value town. I play poker for more than 5 years and I never ever in my entire life have seen such bots as here. Yes man, bots, as you say, but meaning something else for me. I mean crazy noobs, who don't even know to value bet. If they have the set they min bet and don't even go all in until river. You can play perfectly against them, bet bet bet on 3 streets with value, make a lot of thin value and also call down often when they let you. How do you crush such random monkeys? By adjusting betsizing. They don't know to bet, only limp, click or shove. You crush them by adjusting correctly. When you know you are ahead and they still might have draws, simply overbet them. These are the spots where you will be printing money. While playing against a regular won't let you do such plays, because he folds, they will call you here with 30% equity or worse. You make money in these spots on the long run. Enter as a spectator at a VIP table (sorry, you have to have money in your balance for that), enter then a 500.000 IDR 6-max or 9-max table and tell me if you have seen so many guys into a flop at a NL35 USD table anywhere else.

If you don't make money on IDN, you cannot be called a grinder. It means that you don't know to adapt to the game flow. These players are monkeys, a friend of mine was calling me and was very excited telling me "I can't believe that this is real. This is a gold mine". If there weren't reluctant guys like you, IDN would no longer exist in the fishiness there is today. So maybe it's good to isolate grinders on Stars while making money playing with 5 fishes per table on this shady asian network.

If anyone wants to receive information regarding this network and not cry like a baby because of the software, of the weather or their bad beats, I am here to remove any ignorance from your brain.

P.S: And btw, I really like the software for a in-browser one. But more than this, how can you not love playing for money with play money monkeys?

If it was making money, why wouldn't the site promotes multi tabling till today. Grinders will not choose a shady site like this, where game selection is limited.

The only legit thing or play so far is tourney there. Otherwise, I've seen few players transfer chips while I stuck in between them in 6 max table

but let's see, I will redeposit 20 bucks and start grinding again

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I don't speak for them,but I can answer that.. basically what he described before in his writing is typical Indonesia player,they like to buy in low and gambling with it,and many of them doesn't really know value bet,bet sizing and other poker terms..

As for multi tabling,you can do that by asking your affiliate made you more than one account (and play the account on different browser - chrome and opera,or mozzila etc..if you want to play more that 2 account) my friend did it..

As for the shady part,level above the 1.000.000/USD75 is need more inspection,much of them suspected there are super user and etc..below that,I think no problem

Cheers and GL

Open same account at two different browsers and then start multi tabling? Will it crash

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I agree with you. But who told you that you cannot multi table? I don't have camtasia, otherwise I would have registered right now a 6-max play at 6 tables on IDN. I wouldn't even think to play there by using only one table. It's a waste of time on such a fishy environment and the action would be too slow.

I am not sure if I can give you more information here, but if you google it around I am pretty sure that there are affiliates who can provide this under the table feature.

If I post here a link it might be considered illegal advertising and I might get banned. But do your research, you seem smart guys here. Stop complaining about these ******ed players, go and get their money. From 10.000 players, there cannot all be bots or superusers.

I have read all thread with some mid-stakes players claiming this at high stakes games, it doesn't seem impossible for me, but I doubt you cannot make money on this network. You just have to adapt to those short stackers, because most of them play with minimum buy-in at all stakes, which actually mean 20% of the max buy in.

I don't know, if you multi table 8 tables on IDN, how the **** not win with these monkeys? The only argument until now is claiming there are superusers at higher stakes. Ok, I agree. You cannot beat superusers. But you can beat bots, fishes and all the others. Don't tell me that if you find a bot here, he is better than a NL100 Pokerstars grinder, cause I don't buy it.

And once again, adapt, if you have noticed superusers at NL100 USD+, simply play 16 tables of NL70 USD. There are always ways to adapt. I don't think that all players here are playing NL1K+. If you open any poker site you will see a lot of action at micro stakes and when you increase the stakes, the number of tables decreases.

Not the same account. Not necessarily different browsers. New tab works as well. Different browsers is preferable though because you can also top up your BI at the tables. With the same browser, when you enter account no.2 you have to logout from account no.1 and only the table remains opened, so you can no longer top up. But there's no big issue as most players have minimum BIs anyways. So you actually will have 5 times a bigger stack than they have when you join the table. It's hard to lose 5 times in a row with those noobs.

It may use more PC resources, you are right, but most of you guys have upgraded PCs when you grind. I only have a Lenovo Ideapad Z500i and it still works very well at 4 tables. But I can not perfectly tile the tables on my laptop, because my screen size is too small and I can no longer see very well the tables. If you have a LED or LCD monitor on top of your PC, I think this issue is solved. You simply need a good computer for playing poker in general. You can also play with your windows task manager opened to check how many resources does it consume. I can tell you for sure that it will work very bad if you play with teamviewer opened. So please exit any background programs when you grind.

Oh that means two different account on different browsers. Not solely one account...

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Annnnd the other shoe finally drops. You smelt like a spammer from the first post, but since I'm travelling I didn't really have the time to check into your account properly.

FYP.

Shockingly , you're not allowed to create a 2+2 account with your site name, or tell people to Google something that brings your site up as the first result, or solicit business by asking people to add you on Skype.

My guess, the guy living in Indonesia,and he doesn't want any associate written on him incase something bad happen..and he's an affiliate/agent to attract foreign people to play there for rakeback cut 😂

Or maybe I am just mumbling

lol only people defending the site are affiliates... really sucks because Asian market has huge potential.

If anyone doubts the cheating allegations remember some of these guys are winning rake races also.. you cannot play crazy and win rake races anymore.

anyone been playing on this network recently? the software got any better?
How is the liquidity ?

Hey guys!

I just tried it yesterday and today. Lost like $6k pretty quickly and it was really strange as you guys already mentioned it above.

I sat to an empty table 200k/400k a guy quickly joined me and first hand had KQ, flopped KQx turn Q river T and he had a royal flush lol so yeah many coolers, crazy hands, I experienced the same stuff I read here...

But then this happened:
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JPJ limped I raised AK to 3bb, Popeye called in the SB with T5o!!!!! JPJ called too. Flop 943r one of them mindonked, we both called. Turn is a Q and they both checked and I decided to bet with AK, maybe they fold by the river some low pairs, i hit k,a, etc doesnt really matter. So I did bet like 30-40% of the pot cause everybody has shallow stacks and Popeye called with T5 HIGH! JPJ folded. Popeye rivered the 5 and x/called the shove lol.

After this hand I started googling and found this thread. Usually I doublecheck every site I'd consider to try but this was recently advertised by a well known hungarian affiliate/pokernews site and I felt pretty safe by this.

btw I couldnt find my old 2p2 account, so sry about the new acc, but had to create one quickly to post this

is this site legit anybody knows ? why is it so poorly covered everywhere while being the second largest poker network

The thought that someone would be willing to dump $6 K onto a network without doing any checking into it, and then would be suspicious about it after a couple of days of bad beats is...odd.

It probably wouldn't take you long to read 120 posts.

I don't really understand what is your point. Willing to dump 6k$... Yeah that was what i wanted. As I said, the (trusted) hungarian site what promoted it never had any shady sites on it. So I trusted it. Obv my fault not checking it more carefully.

You are saying this after these videos and hands posted here before me? It's like you are starting a new chapter with my comment and telling me that I must be superstitious. I've played 8+ years, 5+ million hands up to the highest stakes and never saw guys suddenly floating me T5o high OTT 3 handed and fish playing styles like this.

I deposited $2k, I had three 100 VPIP players on my table so when I lost the first deposit I wanted to depo again very quickly not losing those fishes, cause I assumed I just had a couple of coolers and that's it. And then I did it one more time sum up $6k. That was my willing to dump $6k. I am not saying that losing quickly 5-10 buyins justifies me to say the site is rigged, I never even said that, but the hands were strange, coolers were strange (first hand fullhouse vs royal flush) and then found this thread also found interesting videos and hands here, then I shared my experience.

went through them quickly ; bad beat stories, complain about online poker is rigged and a couple of vague cheating allegation that seem either very old or false. the usual for every sites including pokerstars or even for my country government owned online poker site

I guess if you ask me to read them it must mean its shady. It's weird that theyre 2nd then lol

You deposited $6 K before doing pretty much any research, and then after a couple days of bad beats, you decided to do some research. My point is that either you should be doing a little research before depositing that kind of money, or that you get spooked a little easily, or both.

No, I guess you never said that - I'm not sure what exactly you're saying, other than you saw some strange stuff. Nothing wrong with that, of course - I'm sure your observations will be helpful to others.

It's a shame, though, that no one is able to share more than anecdotes. It would be good if some of the concerned players posted some actual data, perhaps put some of it together to see if there really is a problem.

No, I didn't ask you to read them because I'm certain they're shady, but because you're going to get a lot of information that you won't from a couple of people that might reply to your new post. There seem to be a lot of posts of concern, but little in the way of hard evidence.