well yes but trust is earned not given..


actually it is that easy in general ...

Yes being trained in spotting people cheating is important..
cheating happens in poker and as a poker room owner i will work my hardest to spot this and punish this.. and also if spotted i'm going to give the money to the people cheated in th games.. not give it to myself.. which most poker rooms don't do and i think total scam.

but to some degree it happens .. and only way to prevent this is to play heads up all the time... unfortunately .. the truth

u mention freerolls.. yeh i' started doing 3 dollar freerolls daily but since like no players on my site its a great bargain.. though i've had 20 people sign up so far i've talked too locally and online. in past week.. Hopefully i can get ten or twenty people a week to at least check it out in a year have about 500 to 1000 people and surely get some games going by then regularly. Its alot of fun.

most freerolls do the math they give people like a penny or less per person ..so

Why mess with all that?

i mean u can buy Pm's and get going in minutes... its fully functional and not bad..

Full flush was regulated.. look what they did.. stole 152 grand from me when they closed
Betonline/ chico/ ripped me off for 4 grand
Lock poker.. yep they were licensed but did not matter one bit.. when they did people in
i could go on and on.. Wsex too..


just saying people act like they want these sites "regulated" but the truth is some are ripping people off left and right anwyas

the site is only as good as the owner and if he's an honest person .

i mean how much were u looking to pay for your software?
mine works fine in my opinion.. not flashy but can add feautures and plays fast so i'm happy

i think i'm going to make flyers and take walks and try to get local people to see if they want to play.. put flyers and ads around town.. posters on busy street corners etc

Lol, you're going to advertise in public. What could go wrong....

We were trying to buy an existing network with a playing field already. One, we walked from when they refused to show the player's fiduciary account which told us they were a scam and disappeared shortly after we were talking. The other one wanted too much money for their revenue, although they provided full financial disclosure. They're still operating now. Then we explored getting a skin on other networks, but the legal ramifications were too great as it could have been proven we were in the US.

I think you are in so far over your head its crazy. Your intentions and integrity may be 100% straight up. You are still operating an illegal operation in the US, if you are here. You do you, but the odds are very very high it causes you problems, possibly very serious ones.

Please, for your sake, go talk to legal counsel. At least that way, if he says it's okay, you have a co-defendant to lower your sentence.

LOL, what???

This, and...

this, and...

This!

It seems pretty apparent at this point that nothing anyone says will change your mind, and all the good advice is simply wasted. In fact, it seems like this thread is really just about you hoping to pick up a few players. I'm not especially concerned, as I doubt a lot of people will be sending money to a complete stranger, and they should be even less willing to do so given your last post - even if they decide to trust/take a chance on you, they now know that you could be 100% honest but still have their money at a high level of risk given your ideas to promote this on flyers in high profile locations. While I think it would still be doomed to failure, the only chance I think you'd have would be by building very slowly, doing at least some level of vetting new players, not taking on all comers that happen upon your flyers and also ensuring maximum legal exposure. Your plan is, quite simply, ridiculous.

Even though I think your likelihood of gaining anything with this free advertising is very low, this thread has almost run its course.

Bobo Fett def isn't the dumb one ITT



tbh ... this would be a good outcome for this mess here


anyways,

congratulations to OP for having a genuine plan and the team and money to finalize it. a few tips to make the smooth sailing even smoother. there's some IT genius lurking in the RIO thread, which should help bring this baby online in about 10 minutes and i heard the king of poker from NY is looking for a PR job. also use social media and this new thing called twitch. don't forget to PM those millions of disgruntled users on 2+2 how left PS "for good".

I agree with the above post, and disagree with any post made to this OP that takes him and this seriously, even though I did enjoy the OP digging up the concept of the leaflets on car approach. Think Party Poker pushed that back in 2005 or so, but I do not have any of them left over. I do have my pink Party Bingo hat at least. Maybe this guy will give out pink bingo hats in a freeroll.

OP,

A lot of good advice in this thread here: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/5...ome-casino-22/

@Bobo would appreciate this

You guys worry too much ..
did the owners of Poker mania get charged btw?
they did run a big site and did not get in trouble to my knowlege.

My site is a ghosttown.. just trying to get a freaking nl 2 buck game going at this time .
My site is about trying to provide a low rake place for us to play and not pay a million bucks a year to play poker anymore and would have to grow word of mouth over many years.

Yes i;d like to ask a lawyer that is knowledgeable about this aspect..
but honestly not super worried like u guys righ tnow about this.

and i'm not taking rake . which might be legal anyways.
no fees at all at this time.
someday might take charge a daily fee.. thats prob legal anyways.

U guys act like i got some big site going and i'm in huge legal jeopardy.

I certainly do not worry too much. As I mentioned, I cannot lose anything on this venture of yours, and I have zero idea why others are responding to you so seriously.

Good luck with the windshield advertising campaign. Also consider spamming tables from the rail on other sites. You can also do a refer a friend concept, or start a thread here with a gimmick account asking about the site then have a second gimmick answer right away that they think it is great. If I think of any other ideas that were fresh in 2005 I will let you know.

All the best.

Thanks mont,
I agree some of these guys taking my stupid little site way too seriously.

thanks for advice.. about how to get new players.. i've take the war to the over raking site some already lol in the chat box.

and if i put some public posters around town .. not too worried about the cops either.

maybe i'm wrong but i dont think they are going to be worried about a no limit two dollar game i'm trying to start esp if i'm not even taking a cut from it.

How much money have you put out so far for this venture discounting the stationary and markers for the posters?

I'm not worried about your site or how it turns out. I'm just trying to share advice/experience from someone with some knowledge in the area.

I was prepared to spend up to 1.5 USD million in cash to get a site going or take a piece of an existing profitable one. I decided it wasn't worth the risk and stopped pursuing it.

The only thing you need to take from this thread is to speak with an attorney fluent in this field. Do that for your own sake.....

doesn't it make more sense to start a ppppoker club

Ah yes, the tworooks thread - nice! Required reading not just for OP, but for anyone who hasn't seen it before - one of the classics, and far more amusing than this thread.

Yeah, I don't think anyone's especially worried. I'm sure I'm not the only one who hasn't given this thread a moment's thought between updates. You asked for advice, and you're getting it.

Here's the thing - the risk is always going to be way, way out of proportion with the reward. If you were ever to make this a going concern, your risk would be substantial. Right now, your risk is pretty low, but the reward is, well, pretty much non-existent.

Or even easier, a PokerStars home game. Of course it does, but OP doesn't seem all that into common sense.

We really need a mavens site **** kenneth briggs

I would be surprised if he has spent more than 5,000-10,000, and that includes any promotional literature at Kinkos.

A friend of mine looked into buying a skin of a casino many years ago, when the advertising suggestions I made were actually not as outdated, and my two pieces of advice for him were

1) Do not buy anything on impulse, take 2-3 days to think about it and talk to me

2) Read rule (1) several times


He naturally purchased it based on impulse, without consulting me, due to the pitched artificial promises of potential earnings. Naturally he never heard from the company that did the sale again, as they were moving onto fresh targets after he sent in his money. Cost him $6,000-$8,000 I believe, and after his revenues his loss was about $6,000-$8,000.

Unlike my friend, this OP knows he will likely never make a dollar, and this was just a weird way for him to spend his money as a form of venting. The guy spent months grinding fake money on Full Flush and as well also lost money on a few other sites in the same way. That is just how some people operate, so if this is a therapeutic form of setting money on fire, so be it. In a way he is using his poor decision making for good (for himself) instead of evil.

He will not be raided by the police. He is not evading taxes since he will have no revenue. He just wants to make a statement, even though it really has no impact and it costs him a chunk of money.

Most people, and businesses, have no idea how much capital it takes to really get it off the ground. 10K is really a waste of money and time, if the goal is an operationally profitable entity.

From what I can tell, the thing that makes the most sense is PS home games, everyone send some crypto to one wallet, and take it from there. That is free, can legally advertise the home game setup, and PS entire system and support. Why spend any time or money when you can have a fully operational setup for free? Perkins ran home games, freeroll, on PS and had hundreds of people in the MTT.

You are trying to apply logical thinking to a person who was grinding a dead room for months despite a whole forum trying to tell him to stop. That was after he lost money in a similar way to other sites.

This person does not approach these choices the same way you do. He is not doing due diligence. He is not exploring all the risks. He is mad that he keeps wasting his money on dead rooms and rake to others, so he aint gonna take it no more. AT this point he will happily lose another 10 grand or whatever with this, and even when it makes nothing he will justify it as better than wasting rake on the other sites etc.

Your advice is about 6 levels ahead of his thinking process and motivation.

You aren't rich, have credibility, but want to start a Poker site? Better find some partners, and have over $1M to survive a few years without customers. Software may be cheap, but security for it isn't. You'll need to know your stuff or hire people.

Best bet right now would be to get a website based Poker software played from web browser, like Global Poker.

absolutely not.. dont they want a cut of everything jsut for linking u to their software?

do u have a low iq?
first of all this site would get going someday word of mouth for now.
two security is not huge issue when only have nl 2 dollar game going / super low stakes .. and u act like cheating is possible to stop..

welcome to the real world.. online sites can only not allow people to play from same isp's.. they can't prevent people from chatting on phones and stuff if tthey want to share cards.. and cheat.. the truth

the best way to monitor this though is looking for players that are folding big hands vs their buddies when another player in the pot not cheating.

if this is happening often sure sign they are cheating to not get a big 3 way pot all in and loose more..

stuff like that

Again this guy is acting like a have a big site going lol lol lol
quit taking this so seriously geesh

lol he says hi need a million bucks ha ha ha ha
my site mainly local players genius that i play with and others that might like the idea of a no rake site getting going for us.

the things people say ha ha ha give me a break

Yes my software is fast and runs fine and only costs like 500 bucks man ..

Haha, I'm not talking about cheating security, I'm talking about hacking security. Running a laptop from your mom's basement is a joke. Go ahead and send yourself to jail for $2 games.

Yeh i'm sure tons of people are going to want to hack my 2 dollar game.

also the cards come encrypted to my site so whatever man.

U m ight want to study this more.

yes i played there because i did not have money on other sites and prayed theywould pay me. so what.. give it up.

Also did u know they have agreed to give us a settlement? not sure ho much yet .. etc but

10 grand? are u nuts.. i have like 500 bucks into this..

and at this point i dont have to add another dime besides cheap advertising and getting local players to my site etc

Well, it's pretty apparent that you're not actually here for any advice, so this avenue of "cheap advertising" is getting shut down. Guess you'll have to start putting those flyers on car windshields, or maybe wear a couple of coroplast signs and walk up and down the road waving at cars.

Hey guys,
There is a local club by me that runs games and charges an hourly fee to play .. This seem to be legal.

but my online poker room/ site i guess is not? even if i charge no rake and an hourly or daily fee.

heck its prob illegal even if dont charge any fees period right?

I just called a lawyer who handle stuff like this and he told me to look up Clubwpt and research free entry/ Amoe stuff.
I asked him that i charged a daily fee or hourly fee wouldn't this be legal .. but he seemed to imply that basically taking money from people for wagering would be illegal period.. though obviously my local poker club does this all the time and has their own place they rent/ lease and open to the public. So pretty sure they are legal and on the up and up.

I mean is there any way to run an online poker site in the usa and it be legal.

Obviously live room poker clubs seem to be able to do it but i guess the laws change when it comes to online poker matters.

My site is new and no games going on yet.. but yeh lets have a serious discussion about the legalities of this if anybody knows for sure.

Btw i'm in ohio.

Maybe if i was to take payments only thru bitcoin it would be anonymous and maybe not legal but dang hard to prove etc.

Also my site is peanuts at this time.. i doubt any law enforcement would care at this time basically at all until it was at least mid size or bigger.