Do we have any hands from the rule 94? Is this guy legit at all or just a crackhead(guessing probably a crackhead but checking that name out should help validate his claims).

The rule94 only durinig the shifts from 10 pm to 6 am from january to february I worked there if you can get a hand history you will see it
And I'm not into crack, lol, but anyways you can check on my IP and confirm that im from costa rica.
But anyways no one is getting any money......lol.....that's waht I would call fishes...and the pay was ****ty!!
lol

Well, this is my first post to the forums in year (although I used to be a regular), but I have spent the evening reading the first 10 or so pages at the beginning and then from the summary Chester made in the mid-70s somewhere. I can't put that much work into something and not share my overall impressions:

1.) The incredible amount of work put in by Chester (accusatory allegations of Superusers being founded or not) and Zingbust to research this was awesome.

2.) It is almost a certainty that PB was doing lots of shady stuff and deserved to be shut down and that its demise was warranted, even if the demise started as a result of this thread.

3.) Shutting down PB is a service to all current and potential future users that would have wasted money buying in there.

4.) My personal theory (if anyone cares): I can easily see the possibility of certain 'internal' users playing with fake money in order to drive traffic. I can also see the possibility of the 'level system' that was posted about that new users were given better luck at the beginning and certain internal users to sign onto Level 4 names.

5.) The shady email disguised as Bodog to the site's mailing list all but proves that the entire scheme was created to scam money out of people. Combined with the founder's past 'scam' businesses, these facts, more than anything else prove to me that the whole thing was a big sham.

6.) If Dave did not know about any of this, he is a complete idiot. For anyone that said that Dave was a slimy piece of ****: I agree.

7.) I have no idea why anybody would be playing on a site with such small amounts of action anyway. That makes no sense to me in general. "Softer games" are not really a good reason when there is no traffic on the site.

Moral of the story: The 2+2 Community, Chester, and Zingbust, and all the other users that contributed to this forum should be thanked for all of their hard work and perseverance in exposing a real scam and keeping the poker community a bit cleaner. If anything, this should be an argument to regulate poker more effectively in industrialized nations.

That's my take on this whole thing.

Is there any update out there on this thing? Has anyone heard from Dave again, or even heard about legal developments taken by some of the members of this thread? Or is this thing dead as a doornail?

W...T...F! I just basically read through this entire thread over 2 days, and I am shocked in many different ways. Obviously this Kevin guy is a "scammer" and basically lives his life by spamming and being an affiliate, etc. I am actually amazed that this guy was even able to run about 5 or more skins on a poker network. First off, the idea of web-based poker for money is actually not a bad one. This guy could have made ****loads of money had he done it right. Having a few employees bugging people to deposit, and offering "customer service" was obviously not a good move. Regarding the hand histories retrieved by zingbust, he obviously put in a lot of time and did a great job...But, having those graphs for the suspected cheaters was pretty mind-blowing. I mean, the only winner was basically the Phoenixxx guy and he really doesn't look like he was cheating, at least in any superuser or similar way.

I mean, could it possibly be that Pitbull removed some hands, or altered them to not show the cheating?... With all the incompetence that has been shown by Pitbull, the chances are pretty much 0% that they even put in the effort to do that. What I would like to know is who was actually "developing"/"working on" their software from the beginning, and even attempting to implement a feature which emails text hand history's to emails(which was so laughably probably already there but just not activated or shown). There's 0% chance Kevin worked on this stuff, and most likely remote work was done by people in Canada, US by people previously mentioned in this thread who never got paid.

Also, about the encryption of the software, I obviously wasn't here when it was possible to test this for myself, but this is just pretty insane. In all likelihood, I would say it was not people sniffing traffic because people who are smart enough(although obviously it wasn't very hard at all) to see it was unencrypted, filter the necessary code, and use this code to cheat people in real time, would probably use it to actually win money, and especially more than $1000. Also, from what I understood from some of the encryption stuff involved, I forget if it was actually identifiable the actual player associated with the unencrypted hole card data. I guess if it was heads up or something, it would be quite easier, but still, I still find all of this pretty unlikely, as somewhat corroborated by data at this point.

From all the strange complaints, it does seem apparent that something was going on there, but it's almost certain that there were no superusers there, and the accusations of these people being bots is also something that made me laugh. If anything, there was some sort of strange in-house collusion going on, but still not even sure of that.

There were obviously a lot of dedicated people in this thread, who did succeed at closing down a shady poker site and network(due to overall finances, licensing, etc.) which did most likely save a lot of people money, but I am still shocked that a lot of people had received payouts in the past so I am left wondering what would have happened if it hadn't gotten to the point where they pulled the gameservers and tried to run.

What I am also still left wondering though, and something we will probably never find out, since Kevin was basically posting as Dave the entire thread, he was obviously trying to hide something that really did exist, or he is just an idiot. If no hand histories had been purged or altered from the ones posted by zingbust, had Kevin/Dave just gave chesterboy and others their hand histories, someone would have posted the stats and graphs long ago, which probably would have been followed 2+2 telling the OP and everyone else who thought they got cheated idiots.

If they really had nothing to hide, or somehow even thought they had something to hide because they were just scared of possible cheating they were unaware of, had they just gave up the hand histories, this thread would probably have self-destructed, and if anything, Pitbull would still be in business, and possibly with a big userbase.

Lastly, how have we heard no updates at this point. From all we know, Kevin is probably still running casinos, as well as raking in affiliate cash all over the web from penis enlargement pills, pheromones, other drugs, etc. I think people need to stay on his case until we finally hear that he is in prison.

Surprisingly he's just kind of disappeared. Maybe someone in the forums here knows him or knew him but he's been in hiding since the site closed down.

Just discovered and read this whole thread. Took me like 6 hours.

Just to witness the progression of this as it all unfolds is pretty epic. Some amazing detective work ITT!

Even though the question about superusers still remains unanswered -- at least in respect to conclusive proof -- SO much have been revealed about company owner history, cashout problems, missing licences, fatal security holes, HH denials, obvious lies from customer service (hi Dave) etc etc that as a package, there can be no doubt these people are true scum.

Im glad this site is now shut down, but as some poster said before me, it just goes to show that internet gaming should be more regulated. You cannot expect players to reveal all these scandals by themselves in their spare time. When it happens though, its truly great, and reminds me how powerful a simple internet forum can be when people put their heads together and work towards a common goal of discovering the truth.

Im not kidding guys. This is actually pretty touching. A big thanks to chesterboy and others that used their own time to do this -- not for the money, not for the fame, but simply for helping others.

The internet is so amazing.

Definitely a unique way to look at it, but I have to agree that overall I think you're right!

Cheers Norway

I had a real problem with a lesser known site in 2008. They cheated me out of $2,500 hard earned dollars by accusing me of collusion. Basically they came off as complete scum when I talked to them on the phone, wouldnt send me hand history and took over a month to send me 1/2 of what they owed me. Yes half. Around $2,500. This pitbull crap reminds me of that time and still angers me.

Hello, I think I can answer many questions regarding the Pitbull Poker Scam up until the day of the company's shut down.

And yes, there were super users, yes they were scamming people and yes i have pictures of Kevin and Jordan.

Please elaborate...

And I agree with karlwig, amazing detective work as always be 2p2ers, so many scamming poker sites but they always get caught in the end.

Ohh well, where should i start.

Poker players in the company (including boss) were able to see other players hand. Yep, programmers were able to do that, manipulate how good of a hand you get and how often you get it.

It was like that since the beginning, but they were capable of getting away with it until they got caught.

Kevin spent a lot of money in his wedding and honeymoon ($50000+) and he needed to get that money back.

So he had the BRILLIANT idea of asking every player in the company to get the money from the customers. $1000 a week for every account.

There were like 20 players with 2-3 accounts each, so go figure!!! It was so obvious that problems would arise, and they did. Yeah, not many days passed and customers started noticing that something was weird.....

Do you have any screen shots or proof their were super users?

Can you post pics of Kevin and Jordan?

I do not have pics to prove the existance of super users, it was a while ago. However I experienced it myself.

Regarding Kevin and Jordan, here you go:

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...loyee/KaJ2.jpg

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/a...loyee/KaJ1.jpg

Kevin Baronowski having a blast at a christmas party, Jordan is the bald one.

Other than 'where's Kevin' there isn't a lot more to discuss regarding a dead site at this point. It would be interesting to know what their scam actually was but it doesn't seem anyone had any proof other than Kevin and Jordan.

I want to clarify that I do this cause it is hard to believe that after this long you people still doubt of the fact that there are a lot of scams going on right now on the internet, either they have to do with gaming or not.

Do not trust your personal information to anybody, keep in mind that when you use your card to deposit in a poker or casino site, they DO have your cards's complete information. Also when you deposit with an e-check, they also have your personal and bank account information and most times your social security number.

I am just saying that there are better ways to deposit, safer ways, if you still want to do it that is.

how high up were you in the company? what was your position? who addressed 2+2 in this thread as 'PBdave'?

Bump for proof and answers.

My position in the company is not important. And PBdave is Dave Brenes as he statet himself many times. His job actually turned into trying to keep the site's name clean around the net.

Wow...these guys look like a real couple of Douche Bags...

Do the large sites allow the regulators and inspectors in to check for Superuser programming? I would think that just the existence of this being part of the programming would be damning enough to shut a place down. Although, you would need a body of regulation who will actually step in and take action.

I have more, if you can answer these. Thanks

I found OPs post interesting. I've encountered this on PokerStars in a few situations. Note that in no case was I playing higher than the $2/4 fixed limit Hold'em, and probably lower, like .50-$1.00. So I wonder if there really was any way my hole cards could be seen. If you can see hole cards, why play $1/2?

But I did see that. A guy who (after 500 or so PT hands) plays supertight and always folds when you have something, yet, headsup (despite my own tight play which he must see on "his" PT database) somehow seems to know when an Ace or King high wins. I don't know if this is still true at PS, but I did briefly see it.

Is it going on tilt? Surely it can't be that hole cards are seen (at PS).

You get it too...

The whereabouts of these guys is unknown, they were charged by the employees (cause they took off owing us money) but never prosecuted, jailed or fined.

There were a lot of small sites involved. For example, the players from at least 4 different sites play at the same tables. I do not really know if they knew what was happening at pitbull poker so i will not mention any poker site names. Funny thing is that some of the best prop players were still difficult to take money from, even when we were able to see the cards. Some of them were respected and feared, LOL.

It is hard to say how many people lost their money, but there were people with some good money in their accounts, you know, for a small site.

That party is a company's party, for the whole crew. I do not know how many people have the pictures, i guess many.

Phewww many questions, anyway, some privileged accounts created in there were the ones good for you to see the cards. If you logged in with one of the accounts you were able to see the cards, but that only worked in the company, if you tried to log in from outside, it did not work. I guess it has something to do with the ip addresses or network stuff, I do not really know.

What I know is that they changed names every now and then, and you usually had 2-3 accounts and you had to use them all during your shift. I mean play a couple hours with one of them, then switch to another and so on....

Well, after the problems started to arise, they decided to eliminate the superusers. Pretty stupid idea since nobody in there really knew how to play good poker, despite of what they thought. And they started losing lots of money of course. And the bosses were filling up the accounts with more and more fake money which was also a pretty stupid idea. It was the start of the fall down.

Anyway, there were a lot of bad planning and administration going on in there, and sooner or later they were going to experience the fact that there were more pay out requests than they could handle. Of course, customers were trying to cash out money that they did not have...................