Ah okay was a little confused from other comments
Okay bit easier for just one person to do this. Does look very suspicious.

Its discraceful how many problems PP/BWIN need to fix, but don't

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No, probably best chance to get help through from Party's own topic so post there: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...thread-906098/

I would like to provide an update to the OP issue -

I can confirm a group of accounts were found to be playing in teams in order to collude against other players

BOT and collusion detection techniques can require a large number of hands in order to accurately analyse the information and identify rogue accounts. Therefore sometimes players are able to identify suspicious activity faster, depending on what they have experienced at the tables. We have sophisticated fraud control mechanisms in place that are continually being updated to counter new and more advanced fraudulent techniques

We always welcome proactive feedback from our players as it often helps us to identify issues faster

FYI - we have set up a new email address, collusion@partypoker.com , where players can send their suspicions directly to the team who will review the case immediately. We have also formed a player panel of elite online players who will review hand histories in difficult cases and make a fair and impartial decision

Over the coming months we will be rolling out some highly advanced detection techniques that we are building

All seized funds will be redistributed to the affected players and all players involved will be permanently banned from playing on our site.

Thanks

Colette

It's great to hear this is being resolved. Well played OP for reporting your suspicions!

Do we know the Country location of these accounts please? I've not played on PP in a long time, but remember you used to be able to hover mouse over SN and get a players location.

Lot's of things changed on PP, things which are supposed to make the games fairer. Some of which just makes it easier for colliders to remain active for longer undetected.

I know there are multiple stables playing on PP at the moment. I think this is bad for poker as it just creates an opportunity for 'bad apples'.

I think Farseer's point though was that this cannot be resolved now. Are Party going to compensate people for missing out on vital leaderboard points? Was much money even seized?

Will they make any effort to identify the stable involved, if any?

Am very curious on how the cheater managed to deposit a few K on each account. There may have been transfers required from other accounts etc. Fact there were multiple countries involved also is significant.

What was the amount seized?

How will you calculate who is compensated?

Will PP be contributing additional funds (say all the rake from the cheating players) to the compensation fund?

This would be important, although I would really think that Party Poker could show some responsibility for example in form of refunding all rake from affected tournaments either back to non-collusion players or in form of redistribution of prizes. Best would of course be accepting that this affected players a lot and refund affected players in full (after reducing collusionist buy-ins of course). Considering how large company bwin.party is they really could afford to do that and it would really show that they admit that there was a major leak in security and they take it super seriously to prevent collusion in the future.

I'll be waiting for refund, glad to see that proper action was taken but really would like to see amount of players involved, tournaments affected and funds seized. After all we really know is what Party tells us, and it is hard to follow up and notice further possible collusion later with no additional information at all.

About the leaderboard, they were surely affected and would love to see some correcting action in those too but truly I don't see that happening.

Maybe I'm being dumb here, but how is all of this a "major leak in security"? How is an online site supposed to know a group of players are working as a team until they've actually done it?

well I'm just glad that all those details have to be disclosed to the UKGC now, even though we will not get them in any format that infringes company confidentiality. Someone will be overseeing it.

Well they did it for five months in HS games without any problems, starting from May. I would call that as a major leak. Matter of perspective, I guess.

+1
The issue actually starts just prior, as putting forth a HS leaderboard should make PP realize that cheating is far more likely to happen as the incentive goes way up.

I wonder how much this has happened in the past. I've played thousands of mtts and hundreds of thousands of mid-hs cash hands on party and I've not once received a single $ in cheating refunds.

Stars might be doing a lot of things badly but at least we sometimes get some rebates there. Great work OP, well done.

Now that it's been officially confirmed that collusion has indeed taken place, I hope PartyPoker really do 'come to the party' and rectify things in such a manner that OP and others affected by this, have a satisfactory outcome in regards to reimbursement etc...

Good to hear that PartyPoker are also putting other things in place to help combat collusion moving forward - definitely a step in the right direction.

They didn't have a clue about the incentivisation of course. If they did they wouldn't have had a 24/7 leaderboard that lasted a whole week.

Multiple accounts were uncovered on sharkscope which cheated and party did nothing.

The worst part is Party deleted all the leaderboard winners off the page so it's impossible to check who may have cheated.

It would be interesting to see what might be discovered if thorough research was done for smaller stakes games as well.

In my opinion players banned for collusion should all have their screen names and real names revealed and posted publicly as to blacklist them in both the online & live poker world.

Yes! Revealing the locations of the cheaters is a great idea. I helped expose a micro stakes collusion ring operating out of South Korea on PokerStars in 2012. I received confirmation I was correct in identifying a group attempting to take advantage of poker promotions. When I noticed over 50% of the players at multiple 9 handed SNGs were South Korean I thought it was strange and immediately reported it.

Just an idea, maybe not helpful, but have you tried www.archive.org and their wayback machine? you can uncover a lot

This is great.

Cheaters are scum, well done op.

All as you are aware we recently uncovered a collusion group playing at our tables as detailed by the OP
Our team has concluded a full, in depth investigation and seized funds will now be distributed to the players affected

We can confirm we will redistribute nearly $50,000 USD to our players – payments will be made direct to user accounts
Relevant players will have been informed via email

Players involved in the collusion group will be banned from our site permanently

We do encourage our players to continue to report any suspicions they have regarding gameplay at our tables as these tips often help us to resolve suspected cases faster
You can send any concerns to the following email address or please, PM myself directly
> collusion@partypoker.com

Kind regards,

Colette

suspicious accounts:

HeartBreaker46
House_Maid
Rat_On_Call
BubblePopper72

They all from UK and accounts were created 3nov2017. Today they sat simultaneously in the late 530 turbo.

Has anyone got refund / info e-mail? I have so far just got this:

I really hope this isn't "full refund". Because it is probably like 1% what I have actually lost at this case.

Once I feel better (physically sick here) I will post a longer post. But less than $50k seized seems like they have been allowed to withdraw or chipdump their money until the very end as they cashed that much in the last two turbo highrollers alone and that <50k probably covers like 10% or less of the losses what all players combined have lost. Also notable that 26 players alone I outed have generated around $50k rake.

Hard to say exact numbers because I don't know how many players have been colluding.

Give op some bonus money party. He's done you and many players a huge service here.

Thank you FarseerFinland.

Thanks - will look into this and take relevant action