Have you reported this to the UKGC yet? The report should include the total estimated effect on the non cheating players and your methodology for allocating compensation, along with all the cheating players names, address details and the evidence against them (to allow prosecution if appropriate).

If not when will the UKGC be informed - as required by their Remote Technical Standards?

Richas brings up a fair point, and for what I have heard is that no-one has actually got any information or explanation about the collusion refunds, just a blank transfer to their account made in 10th of November. And sums have been super small at least for regulars, so have to wonder how you really have calculated the refunds?

Of course there's no perfect way to calculate refunds, but probably best way would have been first remove collusion players buy-ins (not rake) from prize pool and then remove them from prizes so players both ITM and beyond bubble would be refunded. Considering amounts paid if total amount paid is almost $50,000 this certainly has not been the case although that amount probably only covers about 10% (less than 20% for sure) of money taken from players.

I really would love to do nothing more than to move on and continue playing in January as nothing happened but currently I don't feel neither satisfied about what action / reimbursement / information Party has provided about the case nor do I trust that even currently Party is safe place to play small / midfield tournaments (large field tournaments are naturally far harder to collude effectively).

Adding a new line of communication between players and Party security team is great but there really isn't much what players can do to track down possible collusion players quickly. 90+% of cases I would have busted 7th or 8th at that one final table and this collusion would likely still be roaming around.

I would also like to note that while players lost, Party didn't lose anything but just got some nice extra rake as only seized funds were returned. I have to wonder does that really feel like generous from Party part and does it really make them act more proactively in the future as only ones to suffer seems to be players and only collusionists and PartyPoker got (short-term) gain. There are not many confirmed large-scale collusion events, but for example at Chinese DoN collusion case* in 2010 @ PokerStars they did refund players affected completely partially from their own pocket. That is how sites affirm us players that we are protected, even if sometimes pre-emptive security measures are not working.

* https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...e-line-819436/


Still not feel up for fully try to try to find more collusionists and find out how many I can find, so I'll consider later how I will follow this up. I just made this small calculation based on 26 users I have outed in this thread to show up approximately how much just their part of the collusion ring costed to players and how much of that part is rake generated to PartyPoker (of course these users got some % back as a rakeback so that's even more profit for them).

Net profit of winning players: $ 206,980
Net loss of losing users (counted from ROI and prizes, not very precise): (-) $20,208

Estimated rake* gathered by PartyPoker (partially credited back to collusion users): ~$47836

Estimated total amount of money stolen from games (effectively from other players) by these 26 users alone: ~$234,068

*Total buy-ins about $637,812, counted from played tournaments * ABI.
I estimate that average rake from each $ is roughly 7,5% as it is ~8,257% at 109 events and somewhat less on higher buy-ins, abi is ~149,53.

So if there's less than $50,000 from frozen funds (I'll give Party a benefit of a doubt that they've tried and located more players involved in collusion) they have at least gained about $150,000 in profit from their little venture despite frozen assets. Does Party have any plan nor even interest to take action to get that money back from perpetrators? Or don't you even care as it is just stolen from players, not from the site? Inaction certainly would make it more tempting for other dishonest people to attempt more collusion in PartyPoker at every format and buy-in level.

Information gathered from Official Poker Rankings few days ago: http://www.officialpokerrankings.com/

Please inform me if there's some miscalculation, I just quickly summed these up and counted.

Game * Prizes Won Net Profit ROI Average Buy-In Average Field Size R/A ITM/Played ITM

Sorcian $46,295 $18,097 64% $170 154 0% 29/166 17%
domingo661 $24,795 <$0 -3% $168 186 0% 24/152 16%
SciorXxx $74,358 $34,056 84% $193 207 0% 40/209 19%
dimitriax $22,746 $4,350 24% $174 265 0% 28/106 26%
GASSGUSS $27,734 $3,825 16% $118 215 0% 37/202 18%
PowerCarl $23,534 $5,258 29% $141 212 0% 28/130 22%

pesnokviv $30,497 $3,285 12% $146 285 0% 36/186 19%
ven.pax.soy $51,385 $17,900 53% $191 326 0% 38/175 22%
fausfalser $32,183 $5,358 20% $251 260 0% 17/107 16%
diabolicox900 $24,417 <$0 -18% $173 121 0% 28/171 16%
coccopaga090 $57,065 $23,702 71% $175 215 0% 35/191 18%
cheflol $24,739 $5,217 27% $131 85 0% 30/149 20%
A10cooming $40,761 $13,779 51% $221 198 0% 26/122 21%
PR3PEzzz $41,748 $17,726 74% $273 384 0% 20/88 23%

CatLuky $55,364 $22,095 66% $177 136 0% 36/188 19%
fantafour $13,188 <$0 -1% $120 89 0% 17/111 15%
PIV_hettish3 $11,663 <$0 -25% $111 73 0% 23/139 17%
lorisMa $45,523 <$0 -4% $196 296 0% 43/241 18%
harleydavi66 $32,127 $3,654 13% $155 96 0% 32/184 17%
IvanMalta $11,718 $1,475 14% $110 81 0% 20/93 22%
MoM8765198 $19,457 <$0 -3% $154 106 0% 27/130 21%
Lara_croFT_YZ $12,735 <$0 -17% $122 87 0% 20/126 16%
tropporock $35,740 $9,693 37% $147 379 0% 34/177 19%
Candy29 $12,416 <$0 -4% $109 80 0% 20/119 17%
camel_2323 $14,538 <$0 -23% $190 151 0% 22/99 22%
Enokariver $38,423 $17,510 84% $165 106 0% 26/127 20%

Two accounts i long suspected of team play on party are eardleym and Liftededge

Both are bankroll supply players who play the large majority of exact same games as you can see by checking there sharkscope they rarely play a $109 or above game if the other is not in it. If one of them is not playing for a few days the other usual takes exact same days off.

I first started to suspect they were team playing when party ran a promotion for a party millions team event earlier in the year where the 2 were on the same team and raise folding to each other every opportunity when deep. Which in a team event is to be expected to an extent i guess.

If you are a regular in the games that they play i think it would be worth checking your database for obvious signs of team play and see if there is actually any spots where they are allin V each other. After playing 1000s of the same games as each other there should be plenty examples of that if they are not team playing.

Great post lots of dedicated detail. Not one response from Party. I think this is way over the head of reps. What came of this?

Absolutely nothing.