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How should I manage my bankroll in this situation? How should I manage my bankroll in this situation?

07-09-2020 , 05:45 PM
TL;DR at the bottom.

I am a relatively new recreation player and play 1 or 2 hours everyday single or two tabling. I've heard from others that I should have about a 40-100 BI bankroll at whatever stakes I'm playing.

I do not want to miss out on these games as I think with proper mental game, I can easily beat them but I want to know how should I go about my brm while playing these games?

Also, any tips on beating these games better in general where lowest and median vpip on a 6-mix table are ~50 and ~70% respectively and virtually everyone limps?

I play 1/2 in my currency and usually 2 table but recently I found a club on pppoker where the stakes are 10/20 and 20/40 and the games are as soft if not more, in my opinion. In the past 3/4 days that I have played there, I've won a total of 5500 bucks overall (which in purely monetary sense is pretty decent for me as I would probably win about 1000-1500 bucks if I were playing the 1/2 games on other sites) . I was playing pretty comfortably till now but lost 2500 bucks today, although I'm still in profit but 2500 bucks loss at once hit me since my poker bankroll is only 20k.

Thanks

TL;DR - Found some soft club games but 10x or 20x my usual stakes. Don't want to miss out on them so how should I go about BRM while playing these games?
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07-09-2020 , 06:21 PM
Are you playing PLO or NL?

The stakes you're playing right now are quite a bit high for a bankroll of 20k. Can you replenish 20k if you lose it all without really feeling it?

It can be tempting to take shots when games are good, and sometimes it works. In my experience, I always play a much better game when I have a healthy bankroll for the stake I'm playing at the time. If I drop ten stacks somehow (I play PLO only), it doesn't affect me nearly as much as it would if I had much less of a roll to play with.

If you are sweating getting your money in the middle at any time because you don't want to lose the money, then you're playing too high.

Just my two cents, but GL with the games!
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07-09-2020 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by thegrindz
Are you playing PLO or NL?

The stakes you're playing right now are quite a bit high for a bankroll of 20k. Can you replenish 20k if you lose it all without really feeling it?

It can be tempting to take shots when games are good, and sometimes it works. In my experience, I always play a much better game when I have a healthy bankroll for the stake I'm playing at the time. If I drop ten stacks somehow (I play PLO only), it doesn't affect me nearly as much as it would if I had much less of a roll to play with.

If you are sweating getting your money in the middle at any time because you don't want to lose the money, then you're playing too high.

Just my two cents, but GL with the games!
Most of these games are mix games where the dealer chooses the game type (I think I do okay in both so I'm not concerned about that). I do feel like my preflop game is not as good at these stakes as even if I bet pot in late position in a plo game, I feel like I get atleast 2-3 other callers in a 6-max game. Infact, I feel like I haven't ever been able to go to the flop heads up because of this. This makes showing aggression preflop very difficult. I do believe that my postflop game is still pretty much the same. Since almost every player is either a LAG/LAP, I try to play straight forward most of the times.

About the other thing you asked. Frankly, If I lose 20k, I'd take a break and feel down probably for a week or two and would be able add back 10-15k in my bankroll.

Considering all this, I was thinking that I could assign about 16 k to these games and if I end up losing the 16k, I'll go back to playing lower stakes with 20 buy ins. Could this be a good strategy?
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07-09-2020 , 07:13 PM
Set a budget you're comfortable with and stick with it. Also you could try to sell action to a friend.

Personally I would probably play 10/20 only and set a stoploss of 10k but its your decision to make
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07-09-2020 , 08:07 PM
can you sell action?

if not, is the game really as soft as you think it is?
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07-09-2020 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDefiniteArticle
can you sell action?

if not, is the game really as soft as you think it is?
Selling action is not an option for me. But, to answer your question, the games are really that soft. I do feel uncomfortable with one aspect about these games though-

I've never seen anyone buy in with 100bb , most do at 25, others at 50 bb and rarely do I see a ~75BB buy in .Most of the games are plo4 and you can only bet max pot. What ends up happening is when there is a postflop hand among 3+ people(which is atleast 80% of the times), the chances of one of them shoving (at any street) increases at such short stacks. Therefore, I find little room to bluff and hence can't pfr even my premium hands correctly. So, I mostly have to depend on my hand's absolute strength and better post flop skills when I do have a strong hand to win money.

Also, the median and lowest vpip is literally ~70% and ~50%(never seen anyone below 43%) respectively most of the times when I sit at a table so I don't think I really need to say more when it comes to the softness.

Considering all this, how should I go about my brm if I can't sell action? and if you have any advice on how to play better in regards to what I said above, please tell me
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07-09-2020 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeTHEBOSS
Set a budget you're comfortable with and stick with it. Also you could try to sell action to a friend.

Personally I would probably play 10/20 only and set a stoploss of 10k but its your decision to make
100% agree with this. Set a budget and play within your means until you can build a big enough bankroll. Your bankroll is 20k right now, if a $2,500 loss affects your judgement and your game, maybe those stakes are too high for you. The question previously asked that I would like to know: If you lose your 20k Bankroll can you replenish? If you can, then take shots, but don't risk everything on the hopes of getting big wins because it can equally turn the other way and result in big loses too.

If you were a NL Player I would say with a 20k Bankroll you should be looking at games like 5/10, 3/6, 2.5/5 or something along those lines if 20k is all you have with no reloads, but hey man, ultimately the choice is yours as to what you want to do with your own money. If you think about it as an investment, you'll work harder not to lose it. Just my input
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07-10-2020 , 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by JonnyXRoyal
100% agree with this. Set a budget and play within your means until you can build a big enough bankroll. Your bankroll is 20k right now, if a $2,500 loss affects your judgement and your game, maybe those stakes are too high for you. The question previously asked that I would like to know: If you lose your 20k Bankroll can you replenish? If you can, then take shots, but don't risk everything on the hopes of getting big wins because it can equally turn the other way and result in big loses too.

If you were a NL Player I would say with a 20k Bankroll you should be looking at games like 5/10, 3/6, 2.5/5 or something along those lines if 20k is all you have with no reloads, but hey man, ultimately the choice is yours as to what you want to do with your own money. If you think about it as an investment, you'll work harder not to lose it. Just my input

I could replenish another 15k for my bankroll if I lose it all. It will bother me for a week or two honestly, but it wouldn't be a life changing loss for me.

These stakes are definitely high for me, I haven't played a single hand at these stakes on any other site. My friend invited me to this club, I was pretty sceptical so watched tables for 2 days and loved the action. So, in normal circumstances I wouldn't go over 2/5 with this bankroll but I feel like it would be a missed opportunity if I don't take my chances here.

I definitely want to give these games a clear shot and if I lose, it'll not be the worst thing in the world. What I plan to do now is put 14k as my stop loss here. How does that sound?

Also, I realised that the reason the 2.5k loss brothered me so much was that I was up 5.5 k for the day and then I joined a 20/40 table and lost 200bb (8k) .So, it wasn't just about losing 2.5k, it was more about being up 5.5k then going in the negative.

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07-10-2020 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by qwerty_guy12
I could replenish another 15k for my bankroll if I lose it all. It will bother me for a week or two honestly, but it wouldn't be a life changing loss for me.

These stakes are definitely high for me, I haven't played a single hand at these stakes on any other site. My friend invited me to this club, I was pretty sceptical so watched tables for 2 days and loved the action. So, in normal circumstances I wouldn't go over 2/5 with this bankroll but I feel like it would be a missed opportunity if I don't take my chances here.

I definitely want to give these games a clear shot and if I lose, it'll not be the worst thing in the world. What I plan to do now is put 14k as my stop loss here. How does that sound?

Also, I realised that the reason the 2.5k loss brothered me so much was that I was up 5.5 k for the day and then I joined a 20/40 table and lost 200bb (8k) .So, it wasn't just about losing 2.5k, it was more about being up 5.5k then going in the negative.
That sounds pretty reasonable to be fair. Take your shot bro, best of luck dude!
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07-11-2020 , 10:03 PM
Why can't you sell action?

The idea of being unable to sell action is fundamentally inconsistent with the game being incredibly soft.
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