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03-25-2010 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
No, you don't multiply the average equity by the hands. You do it individually for every bracket that you are comparing and then sum them, to AVOID such rounding errors as the one you just made. Also, the calculations were done using double precision floating point numbers, NOT the numbers displayed in the output. Trust me on this, or redo the whole thing yourself and you will see.



There you go again covering mistakes with condescension. lol, wow

I was right to self-exile from this thread and should not have come back.
Hmm, AMEC stating fiction as fact again, and getting pwned.... again.

I, for one, am shocked.


To be honest spade, you're pretty much caught in this middle at this point. You have a simpleton trying to discredit your honest work every chance he gets. He has pretty much no idea what he's talking about, and eventually just resorts to making things up. You can ignore it and just let him say whatever he wants about you, or you can stand up for yourself. I can't blame you either way.

Last edited by Markusgc; 03-25-2010 at 12:36 AM. Reason: PLEASE! Like I said, for ME, if for nothing else.
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03-25-2010 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
No, you don't multiply the average equity by the hands. You do it individually for every bracket that you are comparing and then sum them, to AVOID such rounding errors as the one you just made. Also, the calculations were done using double precision floating point numbers, NOT the numbers displayed in the output. Trust me on this, or redo the whole thing yourself and you will see.



There you go again covering mistakes with condescension. lol, wow

I was right to self-exile from this thread and should not have come back.
OK, did some figuring and you are right on this, I concede. Sorry.
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03-25-2010 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
OK, did some figuring and you are right on this, I concede. Sorry.
Thank you.
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03-25-2010 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
OK, did some figuring and you are right on this, I concede. Sorry.
how can you concede and then report his post?

sticks n' stones and all, buddy.

or, alternatively, you could consider not posting anymore. I doubt anyone would complain too long about that.
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03-25-2010 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
how can you concede and then report his post?

sticks n' stones and all, buddy.

or, alternatively, you could consider not posting anymore. I doubt anyone would complain too long about that.
I reported Nfuego's post, which personally attacked me. Sorry if I clicked on the wrong post.
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03-25-2010 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
I reported Nfuego's post, which personally attacked me. Sorry if I clicked on the wrong post.
I concede that I might've been mistaken too.

NFuego, stop making AMEC sad!
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03-25-2010 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Markusgc
Hey guys, can you please be nicer to AMEC0404 - as a personal favor to me, please?

Oh, and the way folks can type out curses w/o getting in trouble is by not circumventing the profanity filter or being especially rude.
The only way this makes sense is that AMEC is reporting 3/4 of the posts and is driving Mark up the wall.

Mark: as has been said, AMEC has been a class A douche consistently. I tried dealing civilly extensively with him when he first came and got nothing but abuse in return. He's apparently trying to get Josem fired (futile, I know, but AAA douchy behaviour no less). He's had nothing but scorn for the work Spade did for him. And when Kny posts a graph that no one gives a flying hoot about he says he's hired a lawyer.(BS I know, but still douchy).

But we're all pretty reasonable here: tell him to stop acting like a Jackass and I'll certainly go back to treating him civilly.
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03-25-2010 , 12:36 AM
hahahahahahahaha

Ban AMEC for abusing the mods!
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03-25-2010 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by NFuego20
Usually takes a chargeback or an electronic deposit that doesn't go through. Takes a special person though because they would actually have to blow through their money before the site could reclaim the money that was credited.

I'll stop short of assuming that Mumu is guilty of some unethical crap here, although it wouldn't surprise me.

I love the people who say "Well, they rigged it against me anyway so it's ok to steal from them." Nothing like justifying an unethical act in your own mind. I suppose if anybody would know something about that, it would be a rigtard..
I haven't really had much experience depositing (bankroll nit ftw?) so if it can happen with a bank snafu, ill give him the benefit of the doubt. Still you think people would want to clear those things up.
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03-25-2010 , 12:43 AM
See AMEC, are you seriously too obtuse to see the problem here?

It is NOT in any way acceptable to carry on the way you have in this thread, insulting people, threatening people, straight up lying about things and making things up, and then expecting anybody to have any pity for you later when you decide to make one or two posts and act like the victim.

YOU are out of line. It's not good enough to lecture spade on what proper scientific testing is and then after slandering him all over the place saying, oops... sorry. If you had that big an issue with his rounding you should've handled it in a reasonable way. Perhaps question something instead of stating your beliefs as fact like you always do. Oh..... who the heck am I kidding. Not even you can possibly believe half of the garbage you spew all over these forums. Frankly, you should've shut the hell up in the first place because it's friggin ROUNDING you muppet. So who looks like the fool now?

Grow up. Take a few lessons on how to conduct yourself respectably and then get back to us. You've probably already burned your bridges here, but maybe it's not too late to learn some of those skills for your future endeavors (or a shiny new gimmick account).

Last edited by NFuego20; 03-25-2010 at 12:53 AM.
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03-25-2010 , 12:49 AM
hey shrills get a life its rigged no one buys your bs. general population knows its rigged so beat it
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03-25-2010 , 12:49 AM
lol sorry mark, I'll try to keep you in mind until I see somebody quote AMEC's next ridiculous post
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03-25-2010 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
hey shrills get a life its rigged no one buys your bs. general population knows its rigged so beat it
poofinger's a good-natured riggie and occasionally funny, let him be an example
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03-25-2010 , 12:57 AM
for what its worth i think i played super users tonight
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03-25-2010 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
hey shrills get a life its rigged no one buys your bs. general population knows its rigged so beat it
Im sold. ty for all the hard work and extensive proof, im withdrawing all my money as we speak.
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03-25-2010 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
for what its worth i think i played super users tonight
If not a joke: elaborate...
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03-25-2010 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by LVGambler
I snatched this from another thread. It was in response to a post about a bad beat.. in a play money game

This is a gem of gems imo. Epic even.





well crafted, I chuckled
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03-25-2010 , 01:04 AM
probaly 5 percent of population think over seas run poker is legit maybe less
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03-25-2010 , 01:07 AM
[QUOTE=Arouet;17724053]If not a joke: elaborate...[/QUOT
well i saw this guy making crazy hi card river calls then 5 bet me all in pre flop for 300 bucks with 78 against my qq and floped gin then he did it again with j9 against ak . My conclusion super user
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03-25-2010 , 01:12 AM
Ive been berated ever since I came in here... first thing I brought up when I joined the site... that Star's RNG had not been audited since 2003. Go read that thread and see how many times I was personally attacked. Guess what, Stars got another audit, adn josem told me specifically it was because of concerned players as myself.

Then I decided to make a prop bet about the legitamacy of the RNG. That was merged into this topic. Go read it and see how many times I was personally attacked. Well I ended up shipping the monies to three different people and the bet still stands.

Then I cry about running under expectation in AIPF hands. I am beaten and berated for weeks. Besides being repeatedly called derogetory names, I was called out to send all of my HHs to two different people (Spade and Krystestome). I was hesitant at first, and was repeatedly called out publicly. So I answer the call, and I send all the HHs. One person was professional and fulfilled his end of the bargain, posting an AIPF analysis. The other guy never did any study and instead posted my personal and sensitive business information PUBLICLY, AFTER HE AGREED NOT TO as a stipulation of me sending him the HHs in the first place.

Now, after all this, the shills have the nerve to call me out and say I was the one being a douche all along.

Sorry guys, I have everything documented and saved. I'm not putting up with it any more. I know I will eventually get banned, and i want to thank all of the people who have PMed me warning me that when the truth is almost reached, you get banned, its as simple as that

Arout, NFuego, MitchEvans, LVGambler, qpw, and KingofFelt have contributed absoletly nothing to this thread except personally attacking anyone who dares question the legitimacy of the RNG. The sole reason they frequent this thread is to intentionally clutter and derail valid and logical arguments.
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03-25-2010 , 01:12 AM
I have nothing BUT disrespect for [YOU--->]AMOC and PinkyChew. I mean I know that what I write and post itt contributes nothing and could be considered trolling, BUT MY AWARENESS of this fact puts me in a different category as these riggidiots that troll through here. And mostly it's because I'm not lying or trying to [seriously] flame or slander anyone itt. But these guys, with their constant fugazi-nazi bull****!, is just too much.

We need to be civil, for the most part, so that we don't disrespect this site (or its community of "productive" posters - like Spade, hello??).. right? Do you think most of the riggidiots itt care about that? At all?? I don't think so.

That's why I piss on these fools!!

Last edited by LVGambler; 03-25-2010 at 01:19 AM. Reason: you're a busybody and a wussy AMOC!! grow up bro. seriously.
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03-25-2010 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by pooflinger
well i saw this guy making crazy hi card river calls then 5 bet me all in pre flop for 300 bucks with 78 against my qq and floped gin then he did it again with j9 against ak . My conclusion super user
The superusers were unable to see which hand would win preflop. So it must of been a supersuperuser.
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03-25-2010 , 01:19 AM
poofinger has cracked the case
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03-25-2010 , 01:20 AM
type 1 if you think online poker is a rigg scam with house super users and riggged rng 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
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03-25-2010 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by AMEC0404
Ive been berated ever since I came in here... first thing I brought up when I joined the site... that Star's RNG had not been audited since 2003. Go read that thread and see how many times I was personally attacked. Guess what, Stars got another audit, adn josem told me specifically it was because of concerned players as myself.

Then I decided to make a prop bet about the legitamacy of the RNG. That was merged into this topic. Go read it and see how many times I was personally attacked. Well I ended up shipping the monies to three different people and the bet still stands.

Then I cry about running under expectation in AIPF hands. I am beaten and berated for weeks. Besides being repeatedly called derogetory names, I was called out to send all of my HHs to two different people (Spade and Krystestome). I was hesitant at first, and was repeatedly called out publicly. So I answer the call, and I send all the HHs. One person was professional and fulfilled his end of the bargain, posting an AIPF analysis. The other guy never did any study and instead posted my personal and sensitive business information PUBLICLY, AFTER HE AGREED NOT TO as a stipulation of me sending him the HHs in the first place.

Now, after all this, the shills have the nerve to call me out and say I was the one being a douche all along.

Sorry guys, I have everything documented and saved. I'm not putting up with it any more. I know I will eventually get banned, and i want to thank all of the people who have PMed me warning me that when the truth is almost reached, you get banned, its as simple as that

Arout, NFuego, MitchEvans, LVGambler is my hero irl, qpw, and KingofFelt have contributed absoletly nothing to this thread except personally attacking anyone who dares question the legitimacy of the RNG. The sole reason they frequent this thread is to intentionally clutter and derail valid and logical arguments.
Has this guy EVER apologized for his insults? What about for outright lying (granted he's unaware and ignorant of this)??
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