Its true that a external company make the audit !!

I did audits in europe and was audited a few times. Most people have a wrong idea about an audit. The time from the audits is known weeks in advance, its exactly planned what is audited, weeks in advance you get an audit plan.

So if someone want rigg its easy simple that any looks fine during an audit !!

We work 90% like described, but have a few small leaks and sure never an auditor see them .

And how many hands do you want audit to make sure its random...variance is extreme in poker.

Myself made nice money in the old days, but not in these days. I am a beak even player that spend a few hours in a cheap hobby, but i am far away to believe poker is a fair game and i have doubts that poker is random.

A good rigg is simple to profitable and verry hard to detect. And i dont mean a rigg that shows my AA lost too many times or i miss my draw to many times.

I am sure that AA wins exactly the right amount and that you hit and miss your draws like expected...if they rigg its more complex.

So you want online poker, but only when "real" Americans monitor it. Or something. Heh. Yeah, hard to see how your brain is wired...



Sorry, I guess I am not a "real" American so I not qualified to make dismissive, hate based comments like you do (even when you have no idea that is what you are doing).

Ironically, I am American (as well as Canadian), so I guess I am only half real...


Ah, so they are the patsies of the evil foreigners avoiding real American laws. What an evil plot indeed. At least you have McDonalds, a "real" American place where you can get some freedom fries.



Actually the average buy in since I started is $14, and $16 in the past 120 days which includes a ton of tiny hi/lo tournament buy ins as I learn that MTT format. Average NL MTT tourney buy is around $20 in that time and going up.

Of course I am not sure what the point of any of that is, other than you seem to continually lie about data that is extremely easy to verify in a weird attempt as a put down.

I mean it's not like you are showing you are a winning player (which would be shocking) or that you are playing a high level yourself, so you come across as a midget calling an average person short, which might make for a good pro wrestling skit I suppose.



None of which you will ever share or disclose, which puts it in the realm of make believe.

You are just an angry little riggie. Know your role.

All the best.

Here is some advice I read from someone in response to a live hand where a player was sucked out on. Why don't you follow this advice regarding your online bad beats rather than making moronic accusations of cheating?

That isn't a rhetorical question by the way. What tangible evidence do you have from your own hand histories that prevents you from taking your own advice? I'm not asking you to prove online is rigged and you can even cherry pick your own data. Just demonstrate the reason for your beliefs without mentioning timing, feel, memory, opportunity or any other superstitious rubbish.

Again you have provided no source or post of mine that is hateful. I am telling you you should forward you resume to MSNBC. They would love to have another person who just blurts out hate mongering without any source or real data to back it up.

Posted the thread. Said I posted the thread. Even commented on your stuff up there.

Funny you keep switching back and forth between playing a "victim" and then reversing into the aggressive making up/lying about public data guy when you debate. You act like you are 4 years old . Purchase an attention span - they may be on sale at Walmart, and if you buy it there you know it was made by real "Americans."

Anyway, off to play. Feel free to watch (like you have been a lot lately...) and hey - better luck in those pretend games you claim to play. I hope your made up secret data evens out for you.

All the best.

So nobody's going to answer JPFISH's question? Been waiting all day...

Banonlinepoker: Please post your data or GTFO

I think that deserves an answer.

I think changing his screen name would do more justice...

'Cause you check the output. The output is what actually happened.
That's an inherent problem in *all* audits. That's why the best test of the legitimacy of any shuffle is the players who are able to conduct their own audits, 24/7. I'm not the one who is saying an audit is the solution to everything here: that's the rigtards who are claiming that.

Further, in a properly regulated environment, there should be scope for regulators to turn up without notice and look at stuff on demand.

Proof it's legit -> Click here!

you got it right -party chooses its winners -just try to beat any deep stack at tournaments. you will lose-the program, somehow , feeds the big stack regardless whot he /she plays they want you in live.

It took you more than 2 years to come up with this gem?

And this was his first post, even better.

Shove the first hand, win the blinds, then you will have 30 more chips than anyone else and you can never lose based on how their system works according to you. After all, you will be the table big stack...

Send me a cut of your first million made using this flawless approach.

All the best

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qirSep_OdlQ

That's what I thought. The auditors audit the hand histories like the audit in "spadebidder." I look forward to reading his examination of the turn and river cards.

Also, when Holdem Manager and Poker Tracker 3 introduce EV stats by street, then the players will be better able to examine the hand history results.

I don't think that online poker sites are rigged; except against me last year; not in 2008 though. I do believe that the long run is not measured in tens of thousands of hands, or even hundreds of thousands, but in millions of hands which is why it can seem rigged or non-random to many players.

I spent some time working on that part today actually. So far I've devised the 20 or so poker-relevant patterns to measure for turn and river cards and I'm finishing the frequency calculations tomorrow. Then I'll be ready to run the scans and publish them.

I'll be curious to see the stats on the turn or river being the third card to a flush. Seems to happen in my hands a lot, but runs in streaks.

"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."

I know you're just one person, but the quote seemed applicable.

can you break the test?
say 1 billion hand on star this is star
1 billion hand on ftp, this is ftp
instead putting all the different site together

spadebidder
why don't you just make the software and charge the donks/disbeliever/rigtard to pay for it.
i don't mean any disrepect to the software you currently sell (i'm a customer)
but a meanless software like that, it can cost twice as much as spadeye, and sell 10 times more.
like what josem say
not only rigtard is big market because majority of the players lose, and there will certainly a large amount of nonrigtard that purchase it.
Monteroy would buy it.

That isn't me.

I'm no rigtard, but I've said before that I would pay for software that would allow me to run my own audits.

I wouldn't bother as I know many others (genuine stats guys, curious players and some paranoid guys) would buy whatever this guy thinks is being sold, use it and share their results.

Kind of like what is happening now anyway.

Not sure why "players doing their own audits" would actually change anything with regard to this topic. Many already do this.

People who need it to be rigged to justify their losses will always believe it is rigged against them. If they ran an audit and it came back negative all that would prove is that it must be rigged in a way that audits cannot detect. Look at how spade's insanely detailed study is being received by them.

The riggie mind works in creative ways.

It hasn't happened yet, to my knowledge.

A few of us have run the most basic of audits (hole card frequencies), but I don't know of anyone doing deep analysis like spadebidder is attempting.

While I agree that there will always be diehards that refuse to see the truth, that doesn't mean we shouldn't be searching for it.

No disrespect to spadebidder, because I do truly appreciate his efforts and admire his tenacity, but his study has only scratched the surface and proves very little as of yet. Most of us knew the hole cards were not out of line, and I never suspected flops to be out of alignment either (though some have). Even turns and rivers I doubt will show anything particularly unusual (as compared strictly with the other community cards). My concerns have always been in the relationship of the community cards to the hands held by those who have chosen to remain in the hand, and the relationships of hands played between particular users.

As humans, we tend to see/imagine patterns. Some are better at spotting patterns than others, real or imaginary. I'm not saying riggies are better at seeing patterns, but they are certainly acknowledging their existence.

I see MANY patterns in online poker, real or imaginary. I think only the unobservant or the disingenuous would say otherwise, but that is my opinion.