Because we want to.

Probably not.

the last thing I would want to do is forcibly expel urine from the bodies of others.

Here for any other questions!

Much more likely you will die without seeing one, so will I

I like how you pitch about the RNG; as if Juicer talks about the RNG. Fair deals can be easily made unfair by the software, no need to rig the RNG, and the deal is the entire board not just the hole cards; I am sure you have heard about the concept many times.

Correct, I keep referring to the RNG, my bad. How about....google open source provably fair deal. How bout that? Toss in some other keywords. Surprising what can be found. In three different Telegrams for 3 different sites that tout the provably fair deal. Only issue is, no one plays. 100 players at peak time is very very busy.

Dacy, and TJuice - Coinpoker has exactly what you are looking for with an open dealing algorithm. You should both join and make a significant difference to their player base.

Anyone besides a party endorsed pro doing really well on the site?

The amount of beats i've taken in spots where the money is on the line
is pretty absurd. Every time on the bubble I lose the pot.

I googled and saw something saying party distributes cards to help weaker
players.

I'm just amazed day after day ever key spot I take a beat in.

I hate to do it, but I might just have to start writing down all the races and just see if they ad up overall.

Playing on a few other sites as well, and I take beats and such too, but
on Party its a whole different level. And every important pot on party
I'm not sure whats worse, thinking its rigged, or thinking I could actually run this bad.

No, you're just bad at poker.

Hi I am a casual micro-stakes (.01/.02) player at the party poker PA site, the only site in Pennsylvania. I purchased the Poker Tracker software last year to monitor and improve my play. I have played over 13,000 hands over the months. I know that is not much compared to a lot of you. I am up on the table $12.52. (Try not to laugh at the amount of money. This is an academic question.) Bad beats seem to plague the site. My all-in adj is $32.89 nearly 2 x my actual winnings. Is this a normal variance given the hands?

Any insights would be great, Thank You.

Well i think you and everybody should just give it up. I did. Im not playing online poker any more. I do disagree with poker sites being rigged.

There is cheating going on and the newest form of it is real time gto. I still believe bots are used as well. Its turning into the battle of the programs.

I dont think the poker business actually cares alot about cheaters. I know they say they do and will combat cheating with strick force, but in reality they make money from cheaters as well. They only seems to do anything about it when people start outing cheaters on the internet.

Pretty much i feel like the poker community is the poker business security team to find the cheaters for them. Get enough people to post that someone is cheating and show proof then the company dose something about it. Other than that, i dont think they care. Cheaters steal from us not the business.

There is still more legit players than cheaters but if things are allowed to continue by 2030 there wont be online poker or gambling. Cheating and ai will just make it impossible to win anything and you wont have any choice to compete unless you use a program or just quit playing.

I would think that cheaters on a whole across all platform and buiness is about 20-25%

That will increase year after year. I doubt i can post and tell everyone exactly how people are cheating today with out getting banned or my posts deleted. I do know how it can be done and how Fedor Kruse was doing it and also how to get your own poker account and 2 other accounts and use them for cheating.

To have your own account plus control over 2 other accounts and using computers running real time gto you can become almost 98% unstoppable in sit and goes and cash games. The sit and gos you will be able to take 1,2,3 place in 9 person and 1,2 place in 6 person 99 times out of 100.

How much money do you think you can make?

Link about Fedor Kruse cheater

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...kruse-1777628/

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Sorry i couldn't figure out how to edit my post.

I lied, im still playing online at global poker. They give me free money to play with so ill use that with no complaints. Im not using my money at all thats for sure.

Nooooo, why tell them? ConspiracyTheoryJuice is just too lazy to Google it. He will just come up with an excuse anyway, without trying the site.

There are more, very similar and one far more transparent than Coin even.

maybe im misunderstanding, but with regards to the bolded, how can both be true? seems suicidal and less lucrative to be complicit in allowing cheaters to "play" for the short term rake but also forego long term rake in that your site will be crippled with no more humans playing

Poker sites don't think that far ahead. Imagine a bot with a built in GTO solver that also shifts to an exploitative strategy when it learns how you play. That's not entirely unrealistic by 2030. The fish will still play and not mind losing. The regs will leave because they won't be able to win anymore. So no humans just fish and bots.

That's basically the state of poker now online. There are so many people that while playing use solvers and RTA. All they need is a second computer. Not to mention I don't think the sites actually care if a player is using RTA. There is a player on WSOP.com that broadcasts some of his sessions to youtube and he has Piosolver open the entire time. I e-mailed support and reported this person 3 times and he never got suspended and plays on the site everyday.

Which site would that be ?

Yet surely you realize that every time you run under EV, someone else in those hands was over EV.

So the best you can come up with, out of all the sites that exist, is one with literally no players? Wonderful.

Twenty years of online poker, billions of dollars in the industry and literally no sites have proven to offer a fair game. Add in bots + solvers and it's no surprise the game is on life support.

From his post, it's obvious that he understands that very well. There is no doubt that someone is consistently running +EV.

Do you know what 'literally' means?

Ah, sorry - I didn't realise English was your second language. 'Literally' means 'exactly', so your use of the term in both sentences is literally incorrect.
Anyway, Coinpoker was the first site to come up in a simple Google search. It does have a few players, so not 'literally' none, and since it has a provably fair deal, at least one site - not 'literally' none - is proven to offer a fair game. I'm sure there are others, which you could find yourself if the object of your concern was to find somewhere to play rather than simply tilting at windmills.
The fact that there are so few players though says a lot about player concerns regarding your 'provably fair' crusade.
At least you now have somewhere to play that satisfies your singular needs. Glad I could help, and enjoy playing.

Seeing as you're so proficient with Google, you could have used it to learn that "literally" can be used in different contexts e.g. "I literally died laughing when I read your gibberish response". You'll note, I didn't exactly die.

Now that we've cleared that up, perhaps you could point me to some other sites that have a proven fair deal? Preferably some of the big ones.

Yes, sadly the misuse of the word by so many as almost the opposite of what the word actually means has led to its addition in some dictionaries as an "informal" definition. Even more sadly, I'm sure the day will come when it becomes a regular definition. Sort of like "irregardless" has been added as a "nonstandard" word.

In the meantime, while we still live in a time when we can remember the real meaning of the word literally, we will make fun of you for your misuse of it. As we will if you ever use "irregardless", or "I could care less" which I'm sure will eventually also be credited with a weird definition because that's how semi-literate people start using it. I wonder if "should of", "could of" and "would of" will be added one day as well. Kudos to you on "could have".

P.S. You can't even get the informal use correct - all you did was use it as its...literal opposite. The informal meaning is one of emphasis. Emphasizing "I died" is nonsensical. "He didn't just die...he strongly died!"

P.P.S. I carry on about grammar like this because your continued "when will a site prove they are fair" shtick is really, really boring.

Lots of words can be, and are, used incorrectly in many different contexts by the semi-literate. For instance, I could misuse the word 'intelligent' by saying "TheoryJuicer is one of the most intelligent posters on the forum."
"Literally none" means exactly that - zero.

I could, yes.

If someone could catch those moving goalposts, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

Well, thanks for being the grammar police for the site. I'm sure everyone appreciates it.

And if you find the topic of why poker sites have never proven they have a fair deal to be boring, you could always ignore it. Or just not comment.

ps - I don't care that you find it boring.

pps - You possibly have a vested interest in steering people away from that discussion.

PPPS - you're really not that interesting either.

Good. Kindly point me to the link on their site. Don't keep it to yourself.

That poster is a putz, a "literal" putz and incredibly lazy. As you've said, the few sites that made a big deal over probably fair have caused such an excitement that their traffic sometimes sometnes in the dozens. Hand histories from large sites can show fairness. ConspiracyTheoryJuice just likes to whine and attempt to sound intellectual. As you've seen, they are more pre-kindergarten in thought.

Proof that live poker is rigged.

From https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...iver-1789174/:



You should play online, TJ.

That guy's my poker coach. Reading all cards, including community cards before they come, has really helped my game

I said I could, not I would. I gave you everything you asked for in the post I quoted. Apparently giving you the exact information you asked for was not enough for you. I'm not going to bother again - get off your ass and do it yourself.