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Old 10-08-2020, 09:30 PM   #90201
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Thank you for sharing your clear life history dealing with big macs, and that does help explain why it must frustrate you that someone else gets paid multiples what you earn in an hour simply by posting in a riggie thread. Perhaps one day you will have your version of success that does not involve the phrase "would you like to supersize that, sir?" but for now it just is the frustration.

As much as I want to suggest this post can be a teaching moment for you, it just is my way of making $25, so thanks again for the opportunity and be sure to spend that $0 well and keep those fries nice and crispy for others (while wearing a mask of course).

I would ask you to show the post of mine where I defend poker algos at all costs, when I am one of the people who fight the hardest against actual bad operators in this industry, but I know you cannot provide such a post, but if you continue the chat I will make 25 bucks at a time replying, so feel free to do just that, and your break time is over, get back to that fryer and reply when your next shift is done, and be sure to wish all your customers enjoyment for the big macs you serve them!

All the best.
I'm fairly sure you know I'm not a burger flipper. And even if you thought I was, that you speak in such a way to a supposed "burger flipper" really goes to show how much respect you have for a person who is a hard worker (not me, I'm a smart worker) getting through life as best he can. I doubt you'll act like that to people who prepare your food though, only online.

Either way it seems like you are implying that a person who does not trust RNG to be evenly dispersed has to be so stupid he's a burger flipper, right? Well where's all the action of the massive whales playing for massive amounts like on the Full Tilt days? They are all gone now.

It is a shame to me that you had to resort to that after me pointing out the similarities between you and a prostitute. I didn't want to hurt your feelings, merely make you aware of it. As for actions against bad actors, I don't know what exactly you have done. However judging by your ego I will assume far less in value than you think you have.

At this point I'm not even sure if someone is actually paying you out in big mac per post or you're just trolling, but it doesn't really matter all that much. At least you're having fun I guess.
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Old 10-08-2020, 11:42 PM   #90202
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At this point I'm not even sure if someone is actually paying you out in big mac per post or you're just trolling
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Old 10-09-2020, 12:04 AM   #90203
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I'm fairly sure you know I'm not a burger flipper. And even if you thought I was, that you speak in such a way to a supposed "burger flipper" really goes to show how much respect you have for a person who is a hard worker (not me, I'm a smart worker) getting through life as best he can. I doubt you'll act like that to people who prepare your food though, only online.



Either way it seems like you are implying that a person who does not trust RNG to be evenly dispersed has to be so stupid he's a burger flipper, right? Well where's all the action of the massive whales playing for massive amounts like on the Full Tilt days? They are all gone now.



It is a shame to me that you had to resort to that after me pointing out the similarities between you and a prostitute. I didn't want to hurt your feelings, merely make you aware of it. As for actions against bad actors, I don't know what exactly you have done. However judging by your ego I will assume far less in value than you think you have.



At this point I'm not even sure if someone is actually paying you out in big mac per post or you're just trolling, but it doesn't really matter all that much. At least you're having fun I guess.
The part you seem to be missing is that it is painfully easy to prove/disprove fairness in the deal/RNG. The enjoyment of riggies occurs from their adherence to the serious feelz they have, stating they are smart,(etc...) while being able to overlook the obvious.

Things like proof and facts mean nothing to to the nation of Rigtardopia. Much like the location of said nation, its nation's citizens have their collective heads firmly in the clouds

The issue is not being able to understand, or even aware of, statistics and probabilities. Hand histories prove the integrity of the game. Another amusing trait in the citizens or Rigtardopia is ignoring the real issues with online poker, like collusion, using RTA, amd bots. They are much more in tune with the bogeyman hiding in the superuser, RNG rig for action, new account boom switch, withdrawal doom switch, amd other issues associated from eating much paint chips as a toddler.

I'm fairly sure you are not an engineer, mathematician, surgeon, and probably not a burger flipper. I mean, it is incredibly difficult to flip the burger on its edge and roll it for even grilling. One would have to consider the mass and velocity necessary to get it to end up just perfect. To be honest, your career is not very important. The understanding of math and tendencies of habit is really the key to success in poker.

Most players suffer from a loss of emotion, aka tilt. The Art Of War says the first to battle with emotions loses. That applies in to all of life situations, by the way. Anyway, the reason poker is so profitable for 10% of the field is because the other 90% is obsessed with their own personal bogeyman. The last thing they are willing to do is put in the effort to study and learn. Personally, I'm thankful for the 90%.

I hope you get some extra sauce, on your Big Mac or otherwise. You've definitely earned it.
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Old 10-09-2020, 02:08 AM   #90204
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I'm fairly sure you know I'm not a burger flipper. And even if you thought I was, that you speak in such a way to a supposed "burger flipper" really goes to show how much respect you have for a person who is a hard worker (not me, I'm a smart worker) getting through life as best he can. I doubt you'll act like that to people who prepare your food though, only online.
You were the one that brought up the big mac things when you were doing your best to mock a person who gets paid $25 to post in a riggie thread on the internet. I just expanded on it. Perhaps you were trying to show how much better you were that a lowly person who makes $25 bucks for 2 minutes to make a post, and your progression in this industry (since you brought up personal play of poker - as if that should matter to me and my approach). I mean not everyone has the growth curve you do

playing 1/2 cent and $25 PL Omaha in 2009 (where you make more hamburger related comments - you really like hamburgers)

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...07/?highlight=

to playing $25 PL Omaha in 2019

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...53/?highlight=

Quite the smart worker!


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Either way it seems like you are implying that a person who does not trust RNG to be evenly dispersed has to be so stupid he's a burger flipper, right? Well where's all the action of the massive whales playing for massive amounts like on the Full Tilt days? They are all gone now.
Now, now, no need to be upset, and any burger flipper who believes I have compared them to you - they should understand that I would never suggest you would be particularly good at their job.

As to your standard riggie take on people who find wacky riggies silly meaning they trust all RnGs everywhere - well, not sure what to tell you. I just find wacky riggies to be amusing, and that is about it. The fact they interpret that as a defnse of an industry when it is just my having a little fun with a wacky riggie is standard riggie practice, and if you go to the Politics forums you will see the same type of approach used by flat Earthers and others that you use here.



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It is a shame to me that you had to resort to that after me pointing out the similarities between you and a prostitute. I didn't want to hurt your feelings, merely make you aware of it. As for actions against bad actors, I don't know what exactly you have done. However judging by your ego I will assume far less in value than you think you have.
I can assure you - you have zero chance of having any impact on my feelings, and I would suggest you take the same approach when visiting the riggie thread. No idea what you are talking about with prostitutes, but perhaps you can find the Thai hooker riggie and share your experiences with him if he shows up again.




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At this point I'm not even sure if someone is actually paying you out in big mac per post or you're just trolling, but it doesn't really matter all that much. At least you're having fun I guess.
Hey, at least this thread is harmless fun where I get paid thousands to post according to your beliefs at no real harm to you. That has to be a nice break from your decade plus playing in this industry where you are convinced that entire poker networks exist to forsake you.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...45/?highlight=

Note, if these links suggest to you that I remembered you from before - well that is another bit of sleight of hand as q simple 1 minute search of the threads you started is what actually provided the data. Perhaps I got paid to do that though...

All the best.
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Old 10-09-2020, 07:36 AM   #90205
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The issue you have is you don't understand poker, variance, and differences between live play and online, such as......amount of hands seen in one session.
go play 100 hands live and online at the same pace exactly

you will see the online hands are totally whack

you will see set over set, four of a kind, a straight flush, lots of AA vs KK type stuff etc, while the live hands would hardly have any of that
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Old 10-09-2020, 07:57 AM   #90206
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If only some sort of technology existed which allowed a player to show 100 hands as they played it online so that others could see this obvious rig, with all the sets, quads, royals for themselves. That would make your and other riggies job so much easier, but alas we may be centuries away from that being possible.

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Old 10-09-2020, 12:34 PM   #90207
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go play 100 hands live and online at the same pace exactly



you will see the online hands are totally whack



you will see set over set, four of a kind, a straight flush, lots of AA vs KK type stuff etc, while the live hands would hardly have any of that
It really is two different games. 100 hands online can happen in minutes with mass tabling. One or two crazy hands and it feels like it is happening non stop. Live. A hundred hands take much much long period of time to play. Our brain reacts to the stimulus. Online things happen faster and more as few play a single table. It's more a slight of the hand kind of thing from over stimulation.

Online is provable. Import your hands into a HUD and run an analysis. I'm a potato when it comes to in depth review. What takes me a day skilled players can spot in a very short period of time. They use HUDs daily and I never do. Though, I can isolate specific hands and see how many times I had a pocket pair and see the percentage of expected times it should occur over the sample size I have. Any violation of standard deviation would stick out.

Players do not need to have sites show them it is fair. They can do it themselves. The real issue in online poker is collusion, bots, and use of RTA. For a site to capitalize on a rig they would want almost no action hands and potato just big enough to hit max rake allowed. Having 3 players all in for 800 or something costs the sites money. In a $1/2 NLHE table the site grabbed themselves a whopping 6 or bucks leaving $44 in possible rake.
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Old 10-09-2020, 02:19 PM   #90208
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The goal of this post is to help/educate even one single person and help them make the right choice to save them money and/or become a better poker player. Please read this, it is going to be lengthy but it is worth 10 or so minutes read, I promise.

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In live poker, it is 80% skill and 20% luck. Online, those numbers are reversed. Don't rely on luck. Even if you are on a winning streak now, eventually, the algorithm will get you. Thanks for reading. Good Luck everyone.
If one goes to any online site on any subject one will find algorithms set to, at the very least, put a certain response first. I don't know anyone who would disagree with that statement. So, why should online poker be any different? IMO that is all RealTruth is saying in this post. It isn't that each and every hand is rigged; rather certain set ups are seen over and over to keep people playing, investing money, and keeping the site profitable. And it is the same with the so called play money games, which in a way really aren't. PokerStars gives free chips every four hours, but one can buy play chips at any time. Get felted and the first thing that pops on the screen is buy play chips. Obviously, there are enough people who can't wait for their free chips who do. Indeed, there was a story not long ago about people who are losing lots of real money buying play chips, which they will never get back.

To my mind this is just another case of some people, probably way too many, who ignore commonsense because it doesn't fit their desired worldview. I understand that at present the outlets for live poker are few and far between. In my area (Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana) all the poker rooms where I played are closed. Some, most likely, forever. For many online is the only option. And I play there a bit myself. But I am under no illusions about what is going on. I play very small and not for any length of time. It's really more for practice. I think of it as a ballplayer might think about pre-season games.

Anyway, this is my two cents to the conversation. Stay safe all.

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Old 10-09-2020, 04:11 PM   #90209
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If only there were software available that allowed one to look at hands played to prove that these setups happen too often, or even proof of a single riggie exploiting this rig for a huge amount of money, but alas like technology to show hands being played online - we may have to wait decades or centuries for such technological advances, and until then we remain completely in the dark as observation with eyes and writing down stuff with a pencil are the only methods of observation.

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Old 10-09-2020, 04:23 PM   #90210
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If one goes to any online site on any subject one will find algorithms set to, at the very least, put a certain response first. I don't know anyone who would disagree with that statement.
Wait, what?

I'd like to hear more about this.
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Old 10-09-2020, 06:22 PM   #90211
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It really is two different games. 100 hands online can happen in minutes with mass tabling. One or two crazy hands and it feels like it is happening non stop. Live. A hundred hands take much much long period of time to play. Our brain reacts to the stimulus. Online things happen faster and more as few play a single table. It's more a slight of the hand kind of thing from over stimulation.

Online is provable. Import your hands into a HUD and run an analysis. I'm a potato when it comes to in depth review. What takes me a day skilled players can spot in a very short period of time. They use HUDs daily and I never do. Though, I can isolate specific hands and see how many times I had a pocket pair and see the percentage of expected times it should occur over the sample size I have. Any violation of standard deviation would stick out.

Players do not need to have sites show them it is fair. They can do it themselves. The real issue in online poker is collusion, bots, and use of RTA. For a site to capitalize on a rig they would want almost no action hands and potato just big enough to hit max rake allowed. Having 3 players all in for 800 or something costs the sites money. In a $1/2 NLHE table the site grabbed themselves a whopping 6 or bucks leaving $44 in possible rake.
Someone should do an experiment, basically play online one table like playing live that’s what I was getting at

And then compare the results, you will see the online hands are way more “entertaining” and live not as exciting because the odds and probability are realistic, it’s much more entertaining to see quads more often

Online poker is about excitement and entertainment plus you need to implement something so someone who doesn’t study poker could have a chance and have a positive experience and it’s all about keeping the traffic numbers up and managing the all important prize money in connection with rake

A drunk gambling type who wants to just have some fun, get lucky and win something will probably go all in preflop with something like 92o and the flop comes 992

Another thing is online won’t let you win over and over again, you are bound to have a downswing, there will come a time where nothing will be going right because it will simply use your account for prize money for others not even multiple AA flips will win, online really does feel like playing a slot machine

Btw the above comments is based on my experience playing at Ignition

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Old 10-09-2020, 06:33 PM   #90212
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That is the problem. Despite billions and billions of hands being played, we do not yet have the technology to analyze them or display them for others to see as they are played. Perhaps when someone invents a platform where some type of recording of things can be shown to others we will finally be able to have someone do a 100 hand sample so that all of this can be resolved.

That is likely many many decades away, so for now we need to rely on riggie memories, stories and cave drawings.

All the best.
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Old 10-09-2020, 06:47 PM   #90213
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Someone should do an experiment, basically play online one table like playing live thatís what I was getting at

And then compare the results, you will see the online hands are way more ďentertainingĒ and live not as exciting because the odds and probability are realistic, itís much more entertaining to see quads more often

Online poker is about excitement and entertainment plus you need to implement something so someone who doesnít study poker could have a chance and have a positive experience and itís all about keeping the traffic numbers up and managing the all important prize money in connection with rake

A drunk gambling type who wants to just have some fun, get lucky and win something will probably go all in preflop with something like 92o and the flop comes 992

Another thing is online wonít let you win over and over again, you are bound to have a downswing, there will come a time where nothing will be going right because it will simply use your account for prize money for others not even multiple AA flips will win, online really does feel like playing a slot machine

Btw the above comments is based on my experience playing at Ignition
Sites lose money on the action deal rig. You can win long term online, if you understand the game. I've also lost for a period of time playing live. I've had sick runs playing live in a super short period of time where I hit everything I played and up 20+ buyins in hours.

Online you have to act in seconds, next hand is dealt in 2 seconds. You can see far more hands online in an hour than you can live, one table vs one table. On BOL yesterday, I played for 90 minutes or so and did not hit a flop. None of this matters, the math can be proven or disproved and tena of thousands of posts into this thread, not a single riggie has been willing to share their HH that I offered to have analyzed for free.
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Old 10-09-2020, 08:11 PM   #90214
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Riggies don't dance they boogie...
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Old 10-12-2020, 07:22 AM   #90215
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Someone should do an experiment, basically play online one table like playing live thatís what I was getting at
Not someone - YOU -> do it and prove it

Riggies ALWAYS say "someone" or "anyone" or... -> Do it yourself !
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Old 10-16-2020, 06:25 PM   #90216
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That is the problem. Despite billions and billions of hands being played, we do not yet have the technology to analyze them or display them for others to see as they are played. Perhaps when someone invents a platform where some type of recording of things can be shown to others we will finally be able to have someone do a 100 hand sample so that all of this can be resolved.

That is likely many many decades away, so for now we need to rely on riggie memories, stories and cave drawings.

All the best.
We should create a program to do this! Call it something like, cloaker clacker 4..or at least something that rhymes with that phrase.
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