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Old 02-14-2019, 10:45 AM   #85026
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Old 02-14-2019, 11:13 AM   #85027
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Old 02-14-2019, 05:00 PM   #85028
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I'm not sure what to search for to see what's been discussed re my question, but the way I think online poker software is rigged is toward giving two or more players good/great hands and/or good flops so that as much rake as possible is taken out of the pot. It's not necessarily that I feel as if I'm getting a bad beat every time -- but somebody is.

Does anyone else think this or is it my imagination? I'm only playing one table at a time, so it's not as if I'm getting that many more hands than live, but the "great hands" vs. "great hands" with 1 - 3 outers hitting seems to happen way more online than live.

I don't think there is collusion or someone is programming hands, but that the underlying software is made that way -- just so the host makes as much money as possible.
I happen to agree with you. the shills are very quick to dismiss or denounce this theory. any seasoned poker player can sit for a hour as a spectator and watch the chips circulate among players.

maybe one maxed pot is bad for rake. but many maxed pots keeps the chips circulating and maximise rake. people are getting sick of bad beat random generated games. and in turn many sites have offered live dealers for their games. rofl many sites have been caught cheating with their live dealers. if the sites go as far to blatantly cheat with live dealers. what makes anyone think they wouldnt cheat in a rng online poker format wich is virtually undetectable.

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Old 02-14-2019, 05:20 PM   #85029
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I just signed up a couple months ago to a big name site.. and just started to play their frerolls to get a feel for the players and the game play itself before throwing cash in it.
5 games in a row.. almost exact similar experience all 5 games..
only 1 orbit had gone by.. I wake up with KK on the btn .. a few limpers hop in.. I raise 6bb.. i get check-raised by mid position.. I shove.. they insta-call.. he has 52o .. he gets a set of 5s on the flop..

or i get in a game that has been very aggressive with lots of opens and 3bets.. I'm delt a big pocket pair in the BB... suddenly no one wants to play and it all folds around even the small blind.. .. .... ... really?..
.. something don't feel right.
First of all, I'm not sure why you posted this here, as most of what you describe, if it were in some way underhanded, would be related to super using.

Which leads me to a couple of questions. If you had super using abilities, would you risk their exposure in a freeroll? And what seems more likely - that someone with super user abilities is wasting their time in a freeroll, or you ran up against a few players gambling it up with their free entry?

If this is where your head goes after just 5 games, it's probably a good thing you're just playing freerolls - sounds like you need to work on your mental game. If you get serious about poker, you're going to see a lot of weird ****, even in a 100% legitimate game.

Could there be an issue at the site you're playing on? Of course - that's possible anywhere. But what you've posted shouldn't be any cause for concern.
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Old 02-15-2019, 08:03 PM   #85030
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maybe i shooda posted this in the bad beat thread or whatever but i think more players will probably see it here. i know i'm always posting this guy's vids but the content is usually very good and always gets you thinkin' about your own game...enjoy.


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Old 02-20-2019, 08:32 PM   #85031
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why does it seem like every winning reg on the site makes terrible calls against 20bb reshoves with A8o and QJo type hands. Only they never do it when actually dominated so against my hand they never make a bad call.

and sure they also usually win the flips... but im more concerned how winning regs make those calls in the first place
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:20 PM   #85032
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why does it seem like every winning reg on the site makes terrible calls against 20bb reshoves with A8o and QJo type hands. Only they never do it when actually dominated so against my hand they never make a bad call.

and sure they also usually win the flips... but im more concerned how winning regs make those calls in the first place
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Old 02-21-2019, 12:23 AM   #85033
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Almost 15 years of online poker now and if there is one single site I would suspect of being 'rigged' in some way, it would be Carbon/Merge. Never have I seen such a combination of ridiculous, donk filled games (even the regs constantly make clownish overaggressive plays and tilt out) and a total inability to put together a winning streak. It seems that each deposit, as soon as I start winning I go on the usual Merge nightmare run of rivers and running way below EV against the most awful players. After a while I usually just roll my eyes and withdraw until the next time I am tempted to give it a shot. I don't know what is so special on this site, as I have an enormous sample of beating much tougher games on other sites for a solid winrate. I was also a coach for many years and feel I have quite strong fundamentals to beat at least micro-small stakes. If anyone is actually doing well long-term I would love to hear about it as this site has driven me crazy the past few years.
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Old 02-21-2019, 04:48 PM   #85034
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Old 02-21-2019, 05:07 PM   #85035
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Old 02-21-2019, 05:18 PM   #85036
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Almost 15 years of online poker now and if there is one single site I would suspect of being 'rigged' in some way, it would be Carbon/Merge. Never have I seen such a combination of ridiculous, donk filled games (even the regs constantly make clownish overaggressive plays and tilt out) and a total inability to put together a winning streak. It seems that each deposit, as soon as I start winning I go on the usual Merge nightmare run of rivers and running way below EV against the most awful players. After a while I usually just roll my eyes and withdraw until the next time I am tempted to give it a shot. I don't know what is so special on this site, as I have an enormous sample of beating much tougher games on other sites for a solid winrate. I was also a coach for many years and feel I have quite strong fundamentals to beat at least micro-small stakes. If anyone is actually doing well long-term I would love to hear about it as this site has driven me crazy the past few years.
Have done very well playing $1-$5 tourneys thru the years. See OPR- Bronze League $1-$5 buy-in.
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Old 02-23-2019, 07:05 AM   #85037
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Yo, I'm one of the biggest winners at Mid-stakes in this entire 2+2 forum. (if you want proof just search for my SN's of past big 3 sites.) I wouldn't doubt it for a second that something is off with this site; FFS the RNG isn't even audited. I will find the source soon, will require some digging i'm sure.

If anyone denies that it's possible, you are extremely naive. I still play on Ignition, but have transitioned back to live slowly and soon will be 100% live.

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Old 02-24-2019, 11:37 AM   #85038
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Hello.

I'm looking for a somewhat legitmate site to play NL hold-em, I have experience with PartyPoker and 888-poker. Both of these sites seems to be rigged in someway, i mean..
It feels like having decent poker skills doesn't have anything to do with who eventually wins the pot... If I remember correctly, last time I played on 888-poker, I got bad-beated many times in a row and I got that expression that something is wrong with the program..

With partypoker, I went from 1eur to 500eur in couple of months, and then lost them all with badbeats in a couple of days.. That was a long time ago, and I could have been playing tilted but.. Anyway

It's been a long time I've played online poker, could anyone recommend me a good site to play on? I'm a player from Finland and I would play micro/small cash tables and tourneys would be good too

I've been trying to google all kind of sites and most popular seems to be PokerStars, but reading so many negative comments from the site, I decided to not try this... The traffic there is admirable, and tourneys are attractive too but so many comments about bots/superusers/etc...

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Old 02-24-2019, 01:07 PM   #85039
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With partypoker, I went from 1eur to 500eur in couple of months, and then lost them all with badbeats in a couple of days.. That was a long time ago, and I could have been playing tilted but.. Anyway
"Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer."

It can feel great to run up a roll from 1 to 500 like that. It makes you feel like you are a good player. Maybe you are. But here's a trap I've run into. You don't win because you are a good player. You win because you make good decisions. Making good decisions is what makes you a good player.

Winning and feeling like you are a good player can make it seem that the decisions you make are good because you are a good player. There's the trap. Good decisions define good players, not the other way around.

It's also likely that you made some poor choices in bankroll management. Losing your whole roll to bad beats in just a couple of days isn't probable if you are properly bankrolled for the stakes you play and you are moving down in stakes as you take losses.

If however, you remain at your current stakes or even move up in order to recover those losses then you are cooking the recipe for busto.
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Old 02-24-2019, 01:48 PM   #85040
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Hello.

I'm looking for a somewhat legitmate site to play NL hold-em, I have experience with PartyPoker and 888-poker. Both of these sites seems to be rigged in someway, i mean..
It feels like having decent poker skills doesn't have anything to do with who eventually wins the pot... If I remember correctly, last time I played on 888-poker, I got bad-beated many times in a row and I got that expression that something is wrong with the program..

With partypoker, I went from 1eur to 500eur in couple of months, and then lost them all with badbeats in a couple of days.. That was a long time ago, and I could have been playing tilted but.. Anyway

It's been a long time I've played online poker, could anyone recommend me a good site to play on? I'm a player from Finland and I would play micro/small cash tables and tourneys would be good too

I've been trying to google all kind of sites and most popular seems to be PokerStars, but reading so many negative comments from the site, I decided to not try this... The traffic there is admirable, and tourneys are attractive too but so many comments about bots/superusers/etc...
How would you know, you don't have any skills.
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Old 02-24-2019, 04:05 PM   #85041
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Typically when one posts a link for the 4th or 5th time in a thread, one would have something to say about it rather than just posting the link like some kind of mic drop.

I doubt anyone will waste their time pointing out yet again what the issues were with this "study", but if you use the "Search this thread" drop down at the top right and search "issuu", you'll find the previous discussions.

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Hello.

I'm looking for a somewhat legitmate site to play NL hold-em, I have experience with PartyPoker and 888-poker. Both of these sites seems to be rigged in someway, i mean..
It feels like having decent poker skills doesn't have anything to do with who eventually wins the pot... If I remember correctly, last time I played on 888-poker, I got bad-beated many times in a row and I got that expression that something is wrong with the program..

With partypoker, I went from 1eur to 500eur in couple of months, and then lost them all with badbeats in a couple of days.. That was a long time ago, and I could have been playing tilted but.. Anyway

It's been a long time I've played online poker, could anyone recommend me a good site to play on? I'm a player from Finland and I would play micro/small cash tables and tourneys would be good too

I've been trying to google all kind of sites and most popular seems to be PokerStars, but reading so many negative comments from the site, I decided to not try this... The traffic there is admirable, and tourneys are attractive too but so many comments about bots/superusers/etc...
Looks like your thread got moved in here since it was mostly a rigged post. If you just want to get advice for a new site to play, there's lots of help in this thread:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...i-play-471768/

Maybe do some reading of the thread first, and if you still have questions, post them without all the backdrop about other supposedly rigged sites.

BTW, if you're going to listen to every negative post about a site and let that dissuade you from playing, just find somewhere to play live poker. The larger the site, the more criticism you're going to read - if there's a site about which you can find zero accusations about bots, colluding, rigging, and super users, it must be a tiny site that no one has heard of. Bots and collusion are legitimate problems that exist likely on all sites, to differing degrees - it's something of a cat-and-mouse game for the sites, and some are better at it than others. Super users and rigging, while possible, there's not been a whole lot of credible evidence of (aside from the UB/AP super user scandal), and is something a lot of losing/tilting players like to blame for their bad sessions.
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"Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer."
...
If however, you remain at your current stakes or even move up in order to recover those losses then you are cooking the recipe for busto.
This was long time ago and yes I might have been tilted at the time, and lost control of my bankroll... And yeah, raising from 1 to 500 was epic

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How would you know, you don't have any skills.
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Looks like your thread got moved in here since it was mostly a rigged post. If you just want to get advice for a new site to play, there's lots of help in this thread:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...i-play-471768/

Maybe do some reading of the thread first, and if you still have questions, post them without all the backdrop about other supposedly rigged sites.
I have been reading about this for the last 3-4 days and really just trying to discuss about the subject, not stating anything here... My online poker playing is dated way back, so I can't really give any reliable opinions atm.. Just looking for a legit site to play on, so I guess I try pokerstars or something..
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:18 AM   #85043
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Yo, I'm one of the biggest winners at Mid-stakes in this entire 2+2 forum. (if you want proof just search for my SN's of past big 3 sites.) I wouldn't doubt it for a second that something is off with this site; FFS the RNG isn't even audited. I will find the source soon, will require some digging i'm sure.

If anyone denies that it's possible, you are extremely naive. I still play on Ignition, but have transitioned back to live slowly and soon will be 100% live.
Things have gotten more and more weird recently. Now I can just sit and watch regs get in cooler after cooler against each other in order to generate maximum rake. It was never like this years ago.
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Old 02-26-2019, 03:23 AM   #85044
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Yeah, I mean I'm still beating the games at a good clip. But me and several very big winners all agree something feels strange on the site. I'm not denying the fact that the games can be very good at times, but it still doesn't detract the fact that the RNG isn't being audited, and who knows what else shady **** is going on.

The word "honest", and an offshore poker site that isn't governed or regulated should never be in same sentence either.

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Old 02-26-2019, 05:07 AM   #85045
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Yeah, I mean I'm still beating the games at a good clip. But me and several very big winners all agree something feels strange on the site. I'm not denying the fact that the games can be very good at times, but it still doesn't detract the fact that the RNG isn't being audited, and who knows what else shady **** is going on.

The word "honest", and an offshore poker site that isn't governed or regulated should never be in same sentence either.

+1 to the annoying regs who sit out at tables and never play unless a bankroll stack with change sits.
what do you mean something feels strange? I've never experienced anything like what you describe.
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Old 02-26-2019, 07:35 AM   #85046
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what do you mean something feels strange? I've never experienced anything like what you describe.
seriously? don't engage

there's a separate and more appropriate thread for his factless conspiratarding and these dudes are already doing a pretty decent job of ruining this one since mods dont wanna police anything. now watch them attack me

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there's a separate and more appropriate thread for his factless conspiratarding and these dudes are already doing a pretty decent job of ruining this one since mods dont wanna police anything. now watch them attack me
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since mods dont wanna police anything. now watch them attack me
It's almost like volunteer mods might not be on here 24/7 to clean everything up immediately, or that they sometimes decide to let a few posts go here and there. But probably not - more likely you're right, mods don't want to police anything.

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now watch them attack me
My apologies for my attack above. Especially unfair to attack you as aggressively as I did, since you're the last guy that would ever attack anyone on our forums.
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It's almost like volunteer mods might not be on here 24/7 to clean everything up immediately, or that they sometimes decide to let a few posts go here and there. But probably not - more likely you're right, mods don't want to police anything.


My apologies for my attack above. Especially unfair to attack you as aggressively as I did, since you're the last guy that would ever attack anyone on our forums.
i got love for you bobo, but two things-

1) i reported a couple rigtarding posts like 4 days before the post of mine that you quoted here
2) i was talking about the rigtard trolls attacking me, not the mods (i dont report those posts because i dont care, so idk maybe you miss them)

no need to apologize

like, i'm not into reporting posts or heavy moderation to begin with, but since this is pretty much the only place for any substantive discussion or updates about bovada/ignition/bodog online, it behooves all of us (for obvious reasons) to keep the sour, jaded crazy people from polluting every page of the thread with ominous and baseless posts about game security and solvency.

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Old 02-27-2019, 02:21 PM   #85050
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i got love for you bobo, but two things-

1) i reported a couple rigtarding posts like 4 days before the post of mine that you quoted here
2) i was talking about the rigtard trolls attacking me, not the mods (i dont report those posts because i dont care, so idk maybe you miss them)

no need to apologize

like, i'm not into reporting posts or heavy moderation to begin with, but since this is pretty much the only place for any substantive discussion or updates about bovada/ignition/bodog online, it behooves all of us (for obvious reasons) to keep the sour, jaded crazy people from polluting every page of the thread with ominous and baseless posts about game security and solvency.
nothing funnier then +rep_lol posting nonsense. so you got love for bobo, since when? did you kiss and make up with the mods after all your countless bannings?

listen here +replol; the fact remains you seem to be consistently involved with 2p2 moderation, as if you are you some forum police, when in fact you get off on being a thorn in ones side, let the mods do their job and keep hitting that report button if it makes you feel better but here is a newsflash, the only thing sour and jaded is you.

With out a doubt some of the cheating accusations you mention are completely unwarranted and lack substance. However, maybe some of the chatter about bovada and RNG license not being renewed, or just the history of insolvency and lack of security in past for similar off shore poker companies, might mean you can be a little more open minded to being wrong. Online poker in 2019 is murky waters and if you disagree then you are simply delusional. Let bobbo and mike haven decide what they want, as they are actually mods, but you certainly have proven thru your 13k litter filled rage posts that you are no one of importance so stop the babbling already.
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