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Old 09-21-2018, 02:04 AM   #84701
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and I'm already a 0 to you guys, not a 1 because i already said in a different post that i don't have evidence of being cheated.

It's more that your posts read like a paranoid lunatic than lack of evidence

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Especially online, it just seems so likely that there is all kinds of cheating going on making winning seem impossible. Collusion, super-users (your hole cards being seen), teams of players, software being hacked and future boards known. I'm even starting to wonder if my local casino poker room has any cheating. That is awful because I've come to count on the fact that the casino games should be the safest in town.

The possibility of being cheated is a constant and hugely detrimental distraction while playing. Does anyone agree? What to do?

Maybe you're just not very good at poker.
that is a possibility, am i supposed to claim that i never doubt my ability to play winning online poker?

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Everyone is a genius compared to you. When you walk into a room you bring down the average IQ to low double digits.
I'm sorry, are you one of the low stakes geniuses? or what is your issue?

should we dive deeper into this? is there just something a few posts up that you're trying to distract readers from?

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Old 09-21-2018, 02:23 AM   #84702
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When you open a window air rushes in to fill the enormous void inside your head.
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Old 09-21-2018, 02:58 AM   #84703
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Is this actually a thing? Like, a proven thing, as opposed to people rambling that they know its rigged? Doesn't really have anything to do with this thread, but I'm curious.

No its not. Im in the top 100 on Madden every year. there are just people that spend every waking moment of their lives playing and practicing Madden, dudes just pissed he got beat. Probably the same in poker
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:19 AM   #84704
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Come on guys manners, we are not 12 year old high-school kids that we got to flame each other over this topic.

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Somebody wins every hand that you lose.
Yeah but the problem is 90 % of it is going to the provider and it is increasing.
Rake is like 5-10 BB per 100 while less then 10 % of players reach that number.
How many people do you know that have a rate of 10-20 bb per 100 on micros (NL2-NL50). ?
Greed is drying out the the game.
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:47 AM   #84705
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that is a possibility, am i supposed to claim that i never doubt my ability to play winning online poker?
A better place to start improving your game would be posting hands and trying to improve instead of just posting conspiracy nonsense about how people are cheating you to steal pennies from you.
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should we dive deeper into this? is there just something a few posts up that you're trying to distract readers from?
Dumb **** like this is what I'm talking about. No one's trying to distract from your incredibly generic and uninformed conspiracy about rampant cheaters taking nickels from the microstakes.

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Yeah but the problem is 90 % of it is going to the provider and it is increasing.
Rake is like 5-10 BB per 100 while less then 10 % of players reach that number.
How many people do you know that have a rate of 10-20 bb per 100 on micros (NL2-NL50). ?
Greed is drying out the the game.
I too long for the old days when sites and casinos just ran poker games out of the goodness of their hearts and not for the sweet, sweet rake.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:58 AM   #84706
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Yeah but the problem is 90 % of it is going to the provider and it is increasing.
Rake is like 5-10 BB per 100 while less then 10 % of players reach that number.
How many people do you know that have a rate of 10-20 bb per 100 on micros (NL2-NL50). ?
Greed is drying out the the game.
Sure, but nobody was arguing about the cost to play, they were arguing about the fairness of the game and supposed cheating as the only explanation for losing. The rake rules are up front and published. Choose to play or not.
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Old 09-21-2018, 04:23 PM   #84707
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Well, so far we have basically seen bots and collusion problems with online poker admitted to.

I wonder how long until the software/tech problems are admitted to (where players cards are known possibly by hacking of their PC/device, and site software is exploited to similar effect)?

Also, the existence of teams/groups? If there are honest teams/groups working together to try to win and improve by following all rules: why don't we know about it?

How can any of you claim that USA online poker is fair? Because your actions/typing/responses imply that is what you think.

My guess is that these responses are driven by winning online players (and/or cheaters) who are scratching and clawing to keep their meager winnings going, which are much smaller than they should be if they're beating online games currently.
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Old 09-21-2018, 04:37 PM   #84708
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Well, so far we have basically seen bots and collusion problems with online poker admitted to.



I wonder how long until the software/tech problems are admitted to (where players cards are known possibly by hacking of their PC/device, and site software is exploited to similar effect)?



Also, the existence of teams/groups? If there are honest teams/groups working together to try to win and improve by following all rules: why don't we know about it?



How can any of you claim that USA online poker is fair? Because your actions/typing/responses imply that is what you think.



My guess is that these responses are driven by winning online players (and/or cheaters) who are scratching and clawing to keep their meager winnings going, which are much smaller than they should be if they're beating online games currently.


i think youre over thinking all of this. all those risks you mentioned are risks that anyone playing in the US is willing to take. so why are you so stressed out about it? you wont change anything with your observations IMO - no matter how right or wrong you are

i feel like this reply should get bumped to the first page of this thread and the topic should be closed lol make it happen boba
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Old 09-21-2018, 04:40 PM   #84709
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If you're an honest online player in the USA who is following all the rules and winning: CONGRATS! That's great and I'm sure its not easy.

Its also kind of unfortunate that you should be making more imo (due to cheating, being forced to trust the sites and this situation more than what is appropriate and the ongoing? legislative situation).

We've been screwed for years as USA players. I don't see justification for fighting to keep this situation going. Great players who can afford to do so are spending time in other countries to play on pokerstars, etc. and/or playing on legalized and regulated sites from the handful of legalized and regulated regions within our country. Why?
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:02 PM   #84710
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Well, so far we have basically seen bots and collusion problems with online poker admitted to.

I wonder how long until the software/tech problems are admitted to (where players cards are known possibly by hacking of their PC/device, and site software is exploited to similar effect)?

Also, the existence of teams/groups? If there are honest teams/groups working together to try to win and improve by following all rules: why don't we know about it?

How can any of you claim that USA online poker is fair? Because your actions/typing/responses imply that is what you think.
I guarantee you that virtually everyone on this forum (in this thread at least) knows that collusion exists, and knows that bots exist. Many still choose to play, and if the table looks fishy, move on. A bot at a full table is unlikely to change your results much. Colluders aren't that hard to spot and sites are pretty diligent about booting them. But these are the risks of online poker.

Anyone whose computer is infected with spyware/trojan allowing a remote hacker to see their hole cards is not exercising good security and probably shouldn't be gambling online. And it also takes some sophisticated social engineering for the hacker to even exploit the trojan, as he has to also get seated with you. This just isn't a common scenario to lose sleep over.

There is no known case of any site's server software ever being hacked and exploited. That another mild risk you just have to live with.

That leaves the site itself cheating you, which is certainly possible but unlikely for lots of reasons. There are thousands of posts above discussing that so you can read it yourself.
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:13 PM   #84711
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If you're an honest online player in the USA who is following all the rules and winning: CONGRATS! That's great and I'm sure its not easy.

Its also kind of unfortunate that you should be making more imo (due to cheating, being forced to trust the sites and this situation more than what is appropriate and the ongoing? legislative situation).

We've been screwed for years as USA players. I don't see justification for fighting to keep this situation going. Great players who can afford to do so are spending time in other countries to play on pokerstars, etc. and/or playing on legalized and regulated sites from the handful of legalized and regulated regions within our country. Why?
whos fighting to keep anything going? all i see is people running a tweeting campaign to try to get Pokerstars back - not much energy needed to do that. and why are you saying its unfortunate people have to deal with this? WHAT IS YOUR STAKE IN OTHER PEOPLES DECISIONS lol. I dont understand why youre so stressed out and invested in something that is completely out of your hands

Poker has been like this for 8 years now - all the observations have been made - sites came and went - players came and went. IT IS WHAT IT IS. you try it and if you dont like it you move on, but for a few people they just hang around trying to 'educate' and bring 'awareness' to issues no one gives a crap about. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE I TELL YOU! lol

if you want to worry about stuff thats out of your hands there are bigger issues out there. Let me list a few so you can check them out:

1. The US dollar is based on credit . Credit is not based on anything (gold,silver,etc- so its basically imaginary money) and has led to every country in the world being in massive 'debt' which will never be paid off and lead to a collapse of the global financial system the second people realize how little value the dollar really has. Right now the value anything has is what we place on it (or rather, what were told to place on it) - in effect everything is really worthless, its just a matter of enough people agreeing it is

2. China is funding Airports/Harbors/Train stations all over the world in their Silk and Road initiative. They are providing loans to the host country's for these projects KNOWING FULL WELL that when it comes time to get their money back , the host country will not be able to. This means that china will then claim the airports/rail/ and other ports as a means of payment. China is about to take over half the world without a single shot being fired lol. Thats some genius level sht!

3. Having a choice between 2 political partys and 10 brands of cereal is not freedom. So what is freedom really? Ponder that for a bit

Just those 3 topics are infinatly more important than any poker game. I recommend you focus your energy on those rather than this.

Gl bud
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:30 PM   #84712
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i think youre over thinking all of this. all those risks you mentioned are risks that anyone playing in the US is willing to take. so why are you so stressed out about it? you wont change anything with your observations IMO - no matter how right or wrong you are

i feel like this reply should get bumped to the first page of this thread and the topic should be closed lol make it happen boba
Your smiley reeks of smugness and that you think you have the authority to tell boba what to do (maybe you do?) and that you revel in that authority.
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:43 PM   #84713
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whos fighting to keep anything going? all i see is people running a tweeting campaign to try to get Pokerstars back - not much energy needed to do that. and why are you saying its unfortunate people have to deal with this? WHAT IS YOUR STAKE IN OTHER PEOPLES DECISIONS lol. I dont understand why youre so stressed out and invested in something that is completely out of your hands

Poker has been like this for 8 years now - all the observations have been made - sites came and went - players came and went. IT IS WHAT IT IS. you try it and if you dont like it you move on, but for a few people they just hang around trying to 'educate' and bring 'awareness' to issues no one gives a crap about. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE I TELL YOU! lol

if you want to worry about stuff thats out of your hands there are bigger issues out there. Let me list a few so you can check them out:

1. The US dollar is based on credit . Credit is not based on anything (gold,silver,etc- so its basically imaginary money) and has led to every country in the world being in massive 'debt' which will never be paid off and lead to a collapse of the global financial system the second people realize how little value the dollar really has. Right now the value anything has is what we place on it (or rather, what were told to place on it) - in effect everything is really worthless, its just a matter of enough people agreeing it is

2. China is funding Airports/Harbors/Train stations all over the world in their Silk and Road initiative. They are providing loans to the host country's for these projects KNOWING FULL WELL that when it comes time to get their money back , the host country will not be able to. This means that china will then claim the airports/rail/ and other ports as a means of payment. China is about to take over half the world without a single shot being fired lol. Thats some genius level sht!

3. Having a choice between 2 political partys and 10 brands of cereal is not freedom. So what is freedom really? Ponder that for a bit

Just those 3 topics are infinatly more important than any poker game. I recommend you focus your energy on those rather than this.

Gl bud
That all makes some sense, i wouldn't be surprised if true. I've had thoughts recently that I'm kind of acting like a kid getting upset about a very small (comparatively) issue.

Online poker has just been so irritating as I feel cheated for years now. Some of us have legitimately been cheated out of careers for 8 years or more, maybe not a lot of us but definitely some, by one circumstance another.

I pray to God the Father for world issues and even poker because I can't actually do much else with actions, in part due to lack of (more significant) poker success.
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:44 PM   #84714
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Your smiley reeks of smugness and that you think you have the authority to tell boba what to do (maybe you do?) and that you revel in that authority.
LOL. im sorry but this is your best post yet. Gives readers an insight into how ridiculous you are acting. You see schemes and conspiracy's all around you dont you? thats not a healthy way to live your life. But since youre here im going to have some fun with you - i want you to over analyze and have a panic attack after reading this next sentence :

Hey boba fet the mod, how is your day going bro you do a great job on here IMO

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Old 09-21-2018, 05:46 PM   #84715
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That all makes some sense, i wouldn't be surprised if true. I've had thoughts recently that I'm kind of acting like a kid getting upset about a very small (comparatively) issue.

Online poker has just been so irritating as I feel cheated for years now. Some of us have legitimately been cheated out of careers for 8 years or more, maybe not a lot of us but definitely some, by one circumstance another.

I pray to God the Father for world issues and even poker because I can't actually do much else with actions, in part due to lack of (more significant) poker success.
well next time just make a post of why you feel cheated, etc. and then let it be - stop trying to shove your logic in other peoples faces. This thread has millions of views and replys - the amount of energy put into this thread could power NYC for a week. and its all over poker? thats a sad joke and a reflection of the insane society we live in today. Stop perpetuating it

and dont be too hard on yourself. the second your brain starts thinking about this topic for more than a minute - SHUT IT OFF. use some self control. At the end of the day Max, were just tiny little creatures floating on a rock in space, and we have no idea why. That is some profound sht right there , humble yourself and dont take games like poker seriously. Dont be the 40 year old guy who threatened to kill the 13 year old boy over Fortnite last week. That is beyond pathetic and takes you down to a level beneath most animals

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Old 09-21-2018, 06:45 PM   #84716
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I pray to God the Father for world issues and even poker because I can't actually do much else with actions, in part due to lack of (more significant) poker success.
The proper thing to do, particularly given your whiny cynicism, is for you to send "thoughts and prayers." Perhaps you fail at poker because you do things in such a half-assed manner.

All the best.


P.S. Thoughts and prayers

P.P.S. Inspirational video for you

https://www.pokertube.com/video/jerr...ower-of-prayer
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:44 PM   #84717
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The proper thing to do, particularly given your whiny cynicism, is for you to send "thoughts and prayers." Perhaps you fail at poker because you do things in such a half-assed manner.

All the best.


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P.P.S. Inspirational video for you

https://www.pokertube.com/video/jerr...ower-of-prayer
What kinds of things to I do in a half-assed manner? What do you recommend? I do care, at least some and have been doing pretty close to the best I can.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:46 PM   #84718
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LOL. im sorry but this is your best post yet. Gives readers an insight into how ridiculous you are acting. You see schemes and conspiracy's all around you dont you? thats not a healthy way to live your life. But since youre here im going to have some fun with you - i want you to over analyze and have a panic attack after reading this next sentence :

Hey boba fet the mod, how is your day going bro you do a great job on here IMO
Do you think people want stuff like that to happen?
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:48 PM   #84719
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well next time just make a post of why you feel cheated, etc. and then let it be - stop trying to shove your logic in other peoples faces. This thread has millions of views and replys - the amount of energy put into this thread could power NYC for a week. and its all over poker? thats a sad joke and a reflection of the insane society we live in today. Stop perpetuating it

and dont be too hard on yourself. the second your brain starts thinking about this topic for more than a minute - SHUT IT OFF. use some self control. At the end of the day Max, were just tiny little creatures floating on a rock in space, and we have no idea why. That is some profound sht right there , humble yourself and dont take games like poker seriously. Dont be the 40 year old guy who threatened to kill the 13 year old boy over Fortnite last week. That is beyond pathetic and takes you down to a level beneath most animals
I have been doing this. Its just been frustrating to see the "symptoms" continue and those threads die basically right after I tell the readers that I don't have proof of cheating.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:49 PM   #84720
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Do you think people want stuff like that to happen?
Its not about wants or needs. If you have a problem address it, dont flaunt it on a message board IMO
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:50 PM   #84721
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What kinds of things to I do in a half-assed manner?
Seems like everything.


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What do you recommend?
Find a second half-ass approach and put two of them together.

Also, if you are constantly worried about collusion then try to play heads up. At least then if you still think the two players are colluding you can yell at a mirror after.

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I do care, at least some and have been doing pretty close to the best I can.
I offer further thoughts and prayers.


All the best.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:52 PM   #84722
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I have been doing this. Its just been frustrating to see the "symptoms" continue and those threads die basically right after I tell the readers that I don't have proof of cheating.
symptoms are everywhere all around you in every facet of society. stop focusing on this one. dont focus on any of them really - you can find trouble in everything if you look long enough

the poker scene is what it is. we cope and move on knowing that at some point on the State level, something will happen to make it legitimate again. There are people already working on it in california, topics like this wont make them work faster, and there will NEVER be some sort of groundswell to force them to make it a priority. why? because its poker. its a game.

edit- dont let someone who ends all his posts with a cynical line like 'all the best' ruin your day. ignore him and he will ignore you. if you cant deal with this stuff on a message board then some parts of the real world would chew you up and spit you out max (the cities lol)
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:53 PM   #84723
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Also, I actually have been kind of indirectly arguing with God over all this because He does allow this or anything that happens to happen. That is not an excuse for people to cheat others though. He does hold the world and the scissors though.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:59 PM   #84724
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Also, I actually have been kind of indirectly arguing with God over all this because He does allow this or anything that happens to happen. That is not an excuse for people to cheat others though. He does hold the world and the scissors though.
you're not arguing with god. your arguing with your own conscience. there is no need to do that when you can control it and direct it at your will

god doesnt exist so dont count on him. i think his existence is for the desperate and the rich, not the people in between. the rich thank him for all their blessings, the poor beg him for blessings. if youre doing OK in life you dont really need him do you lol

anyways to each his own. but you gotta figure yourself out and not put it in someone elses hands
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Old 09-21-2018, 08:08 PM   #84725
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Wow, and you called me cynical? You just casually dismissed the genuine faith billions of people have on this planet.

You were right when you told this guy that if he takes stuff said in threads like this seriously then he has some other issues to deal with, however people like him are pretty hard wired, as you can tell by his posts. Realistically, he should quit all forms of poker, and find a hobby that better suits his odd mix of needs.

All the best.
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