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09-10-2018 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MJK12
Any one see eric crain's tweet last night on ACR? Said basically get your money off acr he knows opeople that know are fixing the cash games. Dont think someone with his platform would use it to just spew what he believes to be BS. The storm is brewwwwwing...
FYP. Just because he believes it, doesn't make it true, no matter who he is or how amazing he may or may not be.

That said, I think you've made your point, numerous times. Unless you have something substantially new to add, it's time to move on.

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Originally Posted by a dewd
Money_and_Women *cough cough*. Pretty empty life to get banned and come back with the same bull****. This is at least your third account I'm guessing.
First thought I had, after reading one post. The jury's still out on that one.
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09-11-2018 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by numberonedonk
http://ibb.co/cxNcvU

ON YOUR BIKE RIGTARD

I consistently make money on WPN as do a bunch of other "grinders".
What is screen name? Or do you change accounts/screen-names regularly?
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09-11-2018 , 12:43 PM
No idea who Eric Crain is, but he isn't too far off from the truth. Between bots, collusion, and real time in game solver software being used the majority of people playing cash here are drawing dead. Those are all 100% confirmed things to be happening in cash and not much has ever been done about it.

MTTs are as fishy as ever, despite the rampant unchecked collusion. It made me sick to my stomach when I saw an IG post from the WPN Affiliate account showing BonitaPoker won $200K when that account was 100% confirmed to be a multi account of CreateMyOwnEnergy who is also still playing. There was literally a ****ing picture posted here on 2+2 showing CMOE logged in to both accounts at the same time on the same skin... Legit cheating player who happened to win one of the biggest mtts of the year or????

Play at your own risk is all I can say. I still fire a few mtts here and there, but gave up playing here seriously at the beginning of the year.

Last edited by FreshThyme; 09-11-2018 at 12:56 PM.
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09-11-2018 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MJK12
Not one single person will come in and say oh yea i live in the US and i grind acr every day and win. There are none.
I live in the US and I grind acr every day and win. You might be just a little overly paranoid
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09-12-2018 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Obvious Shill Alt
Why? If you're in a 70/30 situation like AK vs. AQ, it doesn't matter if the other player is better or worse than you, it's still a 70/30.
For the billionth time, this is poker. Just like when you flip a coin you're going to have streaks of heads or tails in poker you're going to have streaks of wins and losses.
It is the standard deviation of you results not of the expected value.

The point is if you put a mean of lets say 15BB/100 with this deviation on a normal distribution it result in 38% of the hands being -15BB/100 and worse and 38% of the hands 30BB/100 and better.
In other words 75 % of the hands are upswings and downswings.
That makes one question if it is not just simply gambling.

Sure i used to have streaks before but never even close to this, its almost just streaks.
For my taste it is pretty much unplayable with that much luck involved on both sides (villain and hero), because it influences the game dynamics and even the decision making part of the game.
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09-12-2018 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by ouinosino
how am i a stalker? i know your are 24/7 in the "poker is rigged" thread and the only thing i remember saying to you was how you are doing. i am a nice guy, but you on the other side are only bashing on me. no idea what is going on here, i just wanted to make your day a bit brighter because it can get pretty rough in here.

gl to you and keep fighting the fight.
It's called montrolling.
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09-14-2018 , 01:35 AM
Anybody still care to respond to these two ?

Spoiler:
ROFLMGO
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09-15-2018 , 05:29 AM
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something about random number generators not being random (im paraphrasing here
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Originally Posted by Top Pig
+999. End thread


The two guys I tried to quote are not the brightest out there.
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09-15-2018 , 10:24 AM
guys, whats the deal with internet poker now? guess the thread is long enough to come to a conclusion
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09-15-2018 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by *CHOMP
This is Monty’s home. 12 years rigged defender. Safe to say can expect 12 more. He will have to respond to this and it will include how we suck at poker, what account is this and all the best.
yeah it is kind of sad...
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09-15-2018 , 12:53 PM
Ironically, I was thinking paranoia like this, which can mentally cripple people, is genuinely kind of sad.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...06/?highlight=

Maybe you and Chump and the other void stalkers should get together for some type of mutual support group. Send him a PM and bond with him, as he is likely upset that I never even noticed his latest stalker post until you quoted it.

All the best.
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09-15-2018 , 01:11 PM
Nothing quite as sad as having 5000 posts in this thread belittling others thats a great contribution to this forum. Don't see you discussing much strategy or anything useful/helpful.
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09-15-2018 , 01:38 PM
Then you can join their club as well for all the hugs you need.

As for strategy - shockingly that falls more in the "strategy" forums. You will also find that people whine a lot about bad beats in the bad beat forum (go figure).

This is the riggie thread, where people used to whine about their personalized paranoid beliefs, and others would make fun of them, and everyone was generally satisfied with that. No strategy talk needed, and when it was used it was never productive (riggies are allergic to facts and proof and logic). However, at this point the thread has pretty much died down where nearly all contributions are from people who have not been able to compete for a long time coming here to whine a bit from the rail before vanishing to the void again.

If mocking people who come by from nowhere (until today I have not posted in this thread in over a month) to toss personal attacks at me a few times a year is something you think to be a travesty in a riggie thread, then perhaps you should read gentler forums and threads. Try Laughs or Links!

All the best.
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09-15-2018 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Then you can join their club as well for all the hugs you need.
How do you correlate my previous post with needing a hug i'm genuinely confused by this. There was no emotion/anger in anything i said. Your sole purpose on this forum is to trample on people with underhand insults. Seems i can't point out how useless your posts are without being a emotional train wreck which i assure you i am not i'm perfectly calm and rational.

In regards to strategy discussion im aware this sub forum isn't the correct place for that my point was you make no good posts anywhere. If your poker ability is 10 years out of touch i can imagine its difficult to contribute anything useful besides a smug "All the best".
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09-15-2018 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by U shove i call
How do you correlate my previous post with needing a hug i'm genuinely confused by this. There was no emotion/anger in anything i said.
Well, I will say this for the other void stalkers - unlike you they have never sent me PMs with the title of "FU," so to their credit, they seem to take these utterly meaningless / unimportant interactions far less seriously, as they should, since nothing said in threads like this matter.

Anyway, sorry if you are confused, but that is your issue, and you have on multiple occasions now followed me around to threads (with often times your weird stuff getting deleted by mods) to post essentially personal attacks against me. Something is the root of that, even though until recently you have never existed to me.



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Originally Posted by U shove i call
Your sole purpose on this forum is to trample on people with underhand insults. Seems i can't point out how useless your posts are without being a emotional train wreck which i assure you i am not i'm perfectly calm and rational.
No idea how much of an emotional train wreck you are, as again that is your concern, but perhaps you and chump and the roulette degen who is afraid of live poker rooms would do yourselves a service by spending time on your issues than following me around. Don't get me wrong - I don't care when you guys do that - it makes me chuckle briefly and I dispatch it quickly as I am doing here, and then I forget about it until you guys bubble up again. You guys seem a lot more emotionally invested in these exchanges, given that you always start them, and my genuine (non underhanded) suggestion to all of you would be that you can use your energy better elsewhere in understanding and improving yourselves.

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Originally Posted by U shove i call
In regards to strategy discussion im aware this sub forum isn't the correct place for that
Glad I could help explain that.


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Originally Posted by U shove i call
my point was you make no good posts anywhere. If your poker ability is 10 years out of touch i can imagine its difficult to contribute anything useful besides a smug "All the best".
I stake people, and I run a few significant affiliates, and have done this for a long time. Before that I organized a large casino bonus whoring team (no gamblers allowed). I do not play poker for myself, because I discovered long, long ago that I could do much better in this industry by having multiple sources of income that could adapt as the industry changed. I have no doubt that you individually are a better poker player, and that narrow classification seems important to you. Fortunately for me, that does not matter, nor has it ever mattered with how I have approached this industry.

One last suggestion for you, since you clearly find it important to judge people with how they post, based on your beliefs of how people should write on internet forums. Go to the Politics forum and you will see people with considerably more posts than me post all sorts of non strategy/whine/contentless posts. One guy has an extensive porn and Donald Trump picture archive he posts on a regular basis for instance. He has more posts of a single picture per post (with no writing) than I have total posts here. You should rush over there and lecture him to post more strategy posts, and then pat yourself on the back for a job well done.

All the best.
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09-15-2018 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
and my genuine (non underhanded) suggestion to all of you would be that you can use your energy better elsewhere in understanding and improving yourselves.
My energy usage is just fine i have made half a dozen posts about you doesn't quite compare to 5000+ posts mocking people does it. This is also about a issue you should have no interest in either. My question to you is why do you care when someone thinks a poker site is rigged? If you weren't so busy posting in this thread you could of staked some more broke degens at 2nl earning less than minimum wage.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
One guy has an extensive porn and Donald Trump picture archive he posts on a regular basis for instance. He has more posts of a single picture per post (with no writing) than I have total posts here. You should rush over there and lecture him to post more strategy posts, and then pat yourself on the back for a job well done.
I don't frequent the politics thread but posting pictures isn't offensive or insulting is it.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
and you have on multiple occasions now followed me around to threads (with often times your weird stuff getting deleted by mods) to post essentially personal attacks against me. Something is the root of that, even though until recently you have never existed to me.
None of my posts got deleted a few got moved to the chat thread.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I have no doubt that you individually are a better poker player, and that narrow classification seems important to you. Fortunately for me, that does not matter, nor has it ever mattered with how I have approached this industry.
Of course im better, those who can do those who can't refer and stake and live off the back of those who can. But your poker ability obviously has no bearing on why i have made a few posts about you. You could be the best or worst player in the world that would make no difference. Its your pathetic sustained berating of the forum members that im addressing. Amusing you say i should use my energy better when you have spent 10 years wasting your energy berating rigtards. Please share with me how that helps your productivity.


You have a way of writing massive essays creating issues that don't exist and deflecting what is said. Why would anything i say to you be personal when i have never met you or had any interaction whatsoever. After seeing you being insulting to people with a post count of 1 100+ times i felt the need to tell you your a arsehole thats the end of it nothing personal.
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09-15-2018 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by U shove i call
My energy usage is just fine i have made half a dozen posts about you doesn't quite compare to 5000+ posts mocking people does it.
Not sure you understand how this works, but the total of all the emotional energy spent of all my posts in this thread over the years is literally zero. Nothing said in this thread matters, it is essentially the equivalent of a pro wrestling match where a bunch of people have fun insulting each other. Most riggies and people like you take a simplistic butt-hurt approach, whereas I use an approach that infuriates others (hence PMs from you and you following me around - safe to say I would never think of following you around, as I will forget you again after today).

To their credit, most of the riggies are just whining or venting, and do not have much emotional input in their concerns. You, and your recent weird history show otherwise, and that is probably something you should work on. You do not matter to me at all. I should not matter to you at all. How you post does not matter to me at all. How I post (particularly in this silly thread) should not matter to you at all. The fact it clearly does is a mental quirk on your part. Get over it.


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Originally Posted by U shove i call
This is also about a issue you should have no interest in either. My question to you is why do you care when someone thinks a poker site is rigged?
I do not care in the slightest. That is not why I post here when I do.


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Originally Posted by U shove i call
If you weren't so busy posting in this thread you could of staked some more broke degens at 2nl earning less than minimum wage.
I am not interested in staking you at this time. You have been just as "busy" as me in this thread in the past month. I guess I would never regard those 10 minutes you spent as vital to everything you do, nor characterize it as being "busy," but I can see why people like you go there when frustrated as a means of personal attack.



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Originally Posted by U shove i call
I don't frequent the politics thread but posting pictures isn't offensive or insulting is it.
Heh, you really do not visit that forum. If you think stuff I say in here is mean, then you will enjoy stuff like (a sampling from today)

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i'm strongly in favor of whatever would've led to you getting aborted
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Originally Posted by 6ix
i would totally give your mother a 143rd trimester abortion before breakfast

You best rush over there and let them know they are meanies when they post.


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Originally Posted by U shove i call
Of course im better, those who can do those who can't refer and stake and live off the back of those who can.
And that attitude is exactly why you will remain limited by your narrow skill set in the future. Your take on staking is utterly amateurish as well, and lacks depth, but that is not surprising.

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Originally Posted by U shove i call
But your poker ability obviously has no bearing on why i have made a few posts about you. You could be the best or worst player in the world that would make no difference. Its your pathetic sustained berating of the forum members that im addressing. Amusing you say i should use my energy better when you have spent 10 years wasting your energy berating rigtards. Please share with me how that helps your productivity.
This seems important to you. No idea why, because what you think of me literally nobody else cares about (including me) and I pretty much have zero opinion about you as a human, and will forget about you after this back and forth, until you appear again when you need to vent/whine a bit at me for some reason.

One irony lost on you will be that I basically have never used the term "rigtard." You seem more comfortable with that type of language.



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Originally Posted by U shove i call
You have a way of writing massive essays creating issues that don't exist and deflecting what is said. Why would anything i say to you be personal when i have never met you or had any interaction whatsoever. After seeing you being insulting to people with a post count of 1 100+ times i felt the need to tell you your a arsehole thats the end of it nothing personal.
Well, give yourself a trophy for a job well done in your mind, and charge to the politics forum where you can do the same thing with others you deem to be unworthy according to whatever specifications you create. You can also wake up every day and proudly say to the mirror how great a person you are to yourself. Whatever works for you. If you keep following me around and toss your weird personal agenda, I will take a couple minutes (if I notice them) to reply as I have today, and then I will forget you exist until the next time. Welcome to the internet.

All the best.
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09-15-2018 , 04:51 PM
It is comical that Monty arguing he is not dk just makes him look like a bigger dk.
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09-15-2018 , 04:58 PM
I am not arguing that at all. I am fully aware of how I treat people who post like that rando who follows me around, although I do enjoy pointing out how they fail to realize they are behaving in much the same way (albeit without as much tact).

He's being a dick, I'm being one. You're being one. Chump was being one. Roulette degen was being one. Seems only one of us kind of gets that. Welcome to the riggie thread.

All the best.
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09-15-2018 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I am not interested in staking you at this time.
Ha this gave me a good laugh thanks. I am not interested in being staked either thank you.


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Originally Posted by Monteroy
And that attitude is exactly why you will remain limited by your narrow skill set in the future. Your take on staking is utterly amateurish as well, and lacks depth, but that is not surprising.
Won't go into your assumption that my skill set is narrow but its incorrect. Doesn't change my opinion on affiliates and staking though specifically in the poker industry. The day those staking contracts are worth the paper they are written on my opinion may change.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
This seems important to you. No idea why, because what you think of me literally nobody else cares about (including me) and I pretty much have zero opinion about you as a human, and will forget about you after this back and forth, until you appear again when you need to vent/whine a bit at me for some reason.
You sure reply quick and very thoroughly for a person who doesn't care at all. Must be entertaining for you to swat away the flies that dare to interact with you instead of ignore them.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Well, give yourself a trophy for a job well done in your mind,
This did actually make me laugh guess this whole back and forth is ultimately pointless.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I am not arguing that at all. I am fully aware of how I treat people who post like that rando who follows me around, although I do enjoy pointing out how they fail to realize they are behaving in much the same way (albeit without as much tact).

He's being a dick, I'm being one. You're being one. Chump was being one. Roulette degen was being one. Seems only one of us kind of gets that. Welcome to the riggie thread.

All the best.
I don't follow you round at all. If that was the case wouldn't i be following you in the global poker thread and the multitude of other threads you post your drivel in? Just happened to reply to 2 of your 10000 odd posts best call the internet police get a restraining order!
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09-15-2018 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by U shove i call
Ha this gave me a good laugh thanks. I am not interested in being staked either thank you.
See, now that is what our relationship should be in the future. Nothing. If you don't follow me around with your eye rolling moral superiority routine, if you stop sending me unsolicited PMs, if you just do whatever it is you do - then you will never have the frustration of having me reply to you.




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Originally Posted by U shove i call
Won't go into your assumption that my skill set is narrow but its incorrect.
I did not expect you to understand, nor agree. Kind of what being narrow is all about.


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Originally Posted by U shove i call
You sure reply quick and very thoroughly for a person who doesn't care at all. Must be entertaining for you to swat away the flies that dare to interact with you instead of ignore them.
I am watching a ton of guys I back now, so I am on the computer, and a whole bunch of mildly entertaining gnats appeared from the void. It is entertaining to swat them for a short time (as I have not posted here for nearly 2 months prior to today), but that's all. Nothing more. I will be just as happy if you guys waited another couple months before oozing back to the surface next time, and at that time if I notice it I will swat it away again. Repeat as needed.



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This did actually make me laugh guess this whole back and forth is ultimately pointless.
Well, duh. Maybe now you can see why it is so strange when you send me PMs or appear from nowhere to post about me or reply to me when I have not acknowledged you at all.



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Originally Posted by U shove i call
I don't follow you round at all. If that was the case wouldn't i be following you in the global poker thread and the multitude of other threads you post your drivel in? Just happened to reply to 2 of your 10000 odd posts best call the internet police get a restraining order!
It's not that you only replied to xxx of yyy posts of mine, its that you have now on multiple occasions (both in threads and via PMs) appeared from literally nowhere to hurl bile at me.

Anyway, you are kind of getting more boring now, so perhaps take my suggestion and go to the politics forum as I suggest and you will find stuff posted regularly far more offensive and mean spirited than the stuff I post to you and the riggies. I tweak noses, they (as well as many other forums on the internet) metaphorically chop off heads and other body parts. You will find a ton of people to lecture your personal brand of moral superiority to, so go to it and change the world.

All the best.
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09-15-2018 , 05:44 PM
glad a few folks showed up recently. i was worried Monte might start to get rusty.
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09-15-2018 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by U shove i call
Doesn't change my opinion on affiliates and staking though specifically in the poker industry. The day those staking contracts are worth the paper they are written on my opinion may change.
Quote everything except what you can't make a joke about or attempt to insult my intelligence eh? No one noticed honest. Writing up contracts that have no basis in law means they have zero legal standing just incase you didn't know (im sure you did)

All the best, ****.

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09-15-2018 , 06:23 PM
so does it matter if poker is rigged or not if all the poker sites are basically dead (in the US anyway) lol

biggest site has like 3k players? come on guys, who gives a sht haha
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09-15-2018 , 06:31 PM
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so does it matter if poker is rigged or not if all the poker sites are basically dead (in the US anyway) lol

biggest site has like 3k players? come on guys, who gives a sht haha
Basically it right there, we casual players are fish in a barrel so to speak. If all your playing is bots and grinders it feels rigged enough!
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