Man I have been playing tourneys on ACR on and off for the last 3 years or so and Ive just had enough. I get to this point almost every single time I decide to play again after just a few days. Its this awful feeling in my gut, that makes my blood boil and skin crawl... that something is just not right. That I am being lied to right to my face, that I am being robbed right under my nose.

When I do play I usually play everything $20-$300 and a full schedule on sunday. I understand tourney variance etc etc. been playing online since the glory days of stars circa 2006-2007 and still to this day play most main events on the east coast major circuits and make my yearly pilgrimage to the desert to drop off some money to the euros and young hot shots.

Ive run bad with the best of them but its just beyond comprehension how consistent and almost pattern like the downswings on this site are. The way hands run out and you can feel situations and timings play out over and over and over it just makes you shake your head, squint your eyes and question if youre going a little nuts or not. Im not an online poker is rigged type of person, at least I wasnt back in the day when it was actually somewhat regulated and allowed in the US. But given the circumstances and the way the games are held and governed how do you think anything else?

Almost every new post in this thread is the SAME EXACT complaints. It doesnt feel right... it feels rigged... feels like they can see my cards... super users... house players.... just openly accepting that the majority of the traffic is bots.

Thats ludicrous that the overall sentiment is that well theres no where else to play, lets LET THEM **** US. Anyone that can sit and look you in the eye and say HONESTLY that they dont think ACR is rigged in some way, super user, house accounts, bots then just like Ace Rothstein said... youre either too stupid to realize what is going on or youre in on it.

Are there any GRINDERS on here that actually grind and put in volume in tournaments on this site? Does anyone have a legitimate sample that they have put in on ACR to prove an edge long term. I have never seen anyone come in and be a reg on ACR (or ignition) where theyre making a legit living grinding it out legitimately and consistently winning. I know id say well over 70% of the familiar names and faces in the industry and every single one of my friends have the same sentiments about ACR. Ehhhh it feels rigged but they have big guarantees sometimes and Ive seen or heard of that one cat that hit something on there so it cant be rigged.... and we all keep just peeling our money off to them.

Ive had enough of it to be honest. This feeling is the worst feeling in the world. Its helpless... Like youre just getting bent over the barrel and theres nothing you can do about it. Wel theres some things we can do about it. Im going to contact my and copy to every single congressman and senator in the country a formal complaint and ask them why these sites are allowed to continually break the UIGEA and what i assume is a myriad of wire and money laundering charges by accepting different kinds of electronic deposits/withdrawals. I honestly dont know what else to do to at least feel ok about the situation.

Look at how far and crazy Joey Ingram went when he got super into all of this. Im sick of feeling like im being robbed when all i want to do is play some ****ing online poker tournaments in the comfort of my home. END RANT.

Cliffs:
-ACR IS RIGGED
-IF YOU DISAGREE YOURE DELUSIONAL, AN ACR SHILL OR A BOT

If you think somehow WPN is violating the UIGEA, then you're not very understanding of it.

I disagree and am none of the three.

Theyre breaking my heart is what theyre breaking.

+1

And being infested with cheaters, isn't the same as being rigged.

Cliffs:

The game has passed you by and instead of accepting reality and doing something about it you are looking to play the victim and place blame on others/bots/being rigged/etc.

I don't even play super high stakes and am running sims as we speak. What are you doing to improve?

ACR is incompetent as **** and there is about 0.0350% chance that they could get away with rigging the site and no one finding out. They would have pissed of some Tico who would have ran his mouth.

See this is where I disagree. I think it’s super super easy to cheat if you’re an owner. Just take a little here and there w some accounts. Who can catch you? No mucked hands to review anything. And even then ... make as many names as you want.

Now I’m not saying 100% this IS happening. But it’s certainly a possibility as well as other sites. It’s always the gamble we will have playing online.

If I had to guess the majority of players that think it's "rigged" are losing players and the players that don't think it's rigged are winning players.

The games are just tougher and if you're not doing the work to stay up you're gonna get eaten up.

Vlad from russia with an ABI of $3.50 is running PIO sims while you're complaining on 2+2.

I've played on many different online sites since 2006, the only site that seemed/seems fishy is global.

I actually play MS-HS PLO 5/5/10 - 25/50/100(Maybe 1-3x per month play this big) live and tourneys from 570-10k all over the east coast and when I say I go to deposit my money in the summer its just the truth of it... You can talk to anyone that legitimately grinds 20-50 events EVERY summer. Its not a profitable situation for even the best of the best most years im just realistic about it and fortunate enough to be able to afford to do that if I dont win anything. If you think all the good players just show up to the series and win every year then youve legit never been to the wsop and grinded a full summer.

LOL @ running sims... do half of you even know how to do that let alone understand the application of what small edge you may find using the software? Also I highly doubt any of you play in small enough and consistent enough player pools to even make the and i quote "sims" you think youre running applicable. I think its very funny when people say run sims... youre probably the same people that ask people to constantly move their hands and how much theyre playing in the second level of a live main event cause you saw someone on tv do it before.

Im not playing the victim i just dont legitimately believe anyone that can say with a straight face that ACR is not rigged and doesnt have super users house players and bots. Its incredibly easy to code software/algorithm that reacts to the real time actions with in the game play. Itll slowly come out eventually its just that no one can do anything about it unless you get someone to legitimately audit them and investigate them internally and deeply audit their code. But who can make anyone do that if theres no gaming commission or over sight>? whos enforcing them to make sure their games are not being manipulated and their rng is infact as close to random as possible.

Not a victim just a realist.

Trying to conflate live WSOP or major event series with daily online grinders is ridiculous. I've done both and they're nothing alike. I done the misery of July in Vegas with more overall profit is side games than the main MTTs.

The hardcore online grinder sees massive amounts of hands and he serious ones will study regularly. That is the difference between winning and losing for most. It's a bit arrogant to suggest that most regards aren't working/studying their game daily

You can turn the table and say you don't know anyone that can profess a site being g rigged, superusers, etc...while offering absolutely zippo in the way of proof or evidence. Strong feelings just don't matter. Curious, which site has their code audited?

I just think like him, it’s easier to go unnoticed and cheat if you wanted to.

Doesn’t mean it is. But it doesn’t mean it isn’t.

Mucked hands being gone makes it that much more difficult to prove anything.
But regardless, unless you were just were a complete greedy moron, it would be printing money to see others cards.
Lose a few pots here and there. Have some bad days. Clear and easy 100-200k a year sureeee why not.

I busted literally 15 different tournaments today on ACR with the best hand in every single all in and won zero of them. Another standard day in the life of grinding online. Ive literally never run straight on this site for years. Its been non stop days like this where i literally lose every single all in with the best hand. Not a single break. The game just does not work like that. Everyone Ive ever talked to about ACR and has put volume in has the same exact sentiments and feelings on the site. Theyre ****ing stealing from us and you internet trolls who dont even play poker let alone win at poker let alone understand real life (meaning if someone can **** you over and is in a position of power they absolutely will every time. Its human nature. Thats exactly the position that Acr is in with ****ing over US players) you just blindly defend them by oh youre playing online youre seeing more hands, they would never do that, its impossible.

Every single major online poker site has ****ed over players, done illegal things (that theyve been caught on) and constantly have corruption and BS associated with them yet you defend them and tell people like me that have a legitimate concern that this is a MASSIVE SCAM ****ING US PLAYERS OUT OF 100s OF THOUSANDS MAYBE MILLIONS EVERY WEEK... that im crazy and you want to kniw why...

cause you dont want it to be rigged... you dont want to believe that everytyhing you know and everytyhing you understand is just what people want you to see and understand. You dont want it to be rigged because then youre just as dumb as the person calling it rigged in your eyes... then your entire world and love for poker is ruined and your entire world view on things might change dark. Nah you want to tell me and everyone else were crazy and that bad things never happen in the world that im just wearing a tin foil hat. I think im just being the one thats honest with what im actually seeing. I could care less if i lose i honestly play online for fun. But when its blatantly obvious that im being robbed it makes me want to do evferything i can to watch them rot behind prison cell for ever and go visit them and ask them how it ****ing feels to be a piece of ****.

If ACR is completely legit and theres a ton of pros and grinders crushing these extremely soft games that everyone defends as completely legit then why are there no grinders or regs or anyone talking on the biggest online poker forum about one of the biggest online tourneys that americans can play since black friday?

Theres a giant tourney going on bbut not one post on it. no sweats, no hype, just nothing.... it just makes no sense. theres no community of players that talk about current state etc cause literally no one wins on this site unless you work for the company.

I asked in my initial post for ANYONE to please prove me wrong. Give me proof that you have legitimately girnded on ACR and built up a decent amount of money on tourneys etc. Not one single person will come in and say oh yea i live in the US and i grind acr every day and win. There are none. No one has results its all super users bots and house accounts stealing every single last dollar that is organically deposited onto the site.

If you want to continue with your RNG anecdotes, theories, and speculations, here's the thread for them:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...dition-255990/

Or if you have some actual credible evidence of rigging, feel free to start a new thread about it.

No question. If they could do it ten years ago on UB it could easily be done today with more technical skills and know how

Are you okay? If you cannot win over the long haul, that doesn't mean it's rigged ffs. I'm way ahead going back to Doyle's Room. What is your point? I went 8 months with getting destroyed in every game I entered. So? **** happens. I'm still up. I play a dozen or more satellites a day and regularly win seats in them. I cash the M.E. games 15-20% of the time. There is no sweat thread/comment so then it's all house players or superusers???

Uranus is a big cavernous place. Now prove me wrong.

I have HUNDREDS of questionable hands that anyone would look at and be like uhhh seems like he knows whats coming.

Like the jamming 45 BB utg with 89os and flop coming 567r vs the poor guy calling off with qq. See those hands and they happen to me multiple times every single tourney ive ever played on ACR. I always try to screen shot some of them but honestly it happens so much im just like what the **** how is this every single time.

Curious do you actually play on ACR and put volume in? Are you a winning player and can say wihtout a doubt you think ACR is completely legit and dont think anything is wrong with their RNG or software? Or are you just another dude who likes poker, posts on the online poker forums without actuyally putting in real volume or knowing much and repeating the popular vernacular which is to try to call anyone that says something about a site being rigged crazy.

so you used to win on doyles room and dont win anymore and dont play high credible volume. Got it.

I have legitimately 2-300 hands that are questionable and if you went through all of them every one would beb like none of this makes sense... wtf is that call... seems like he knows...

If i can access all my HH on ACR i could make the post pages and pages long...

But what does posting a bunch of questionable hands that i lost every single one which makes no sense in terms of game thoery why the player would play like that ever? What does it do? what can happen even if every one agrees with me?

There needs to be regulation and someone that over sees them and can independently and unbiased audit them and their code. What does me posting a bunch of sour HHs like everyone else do and accomplish... everyone will jsut be like oh man you run bad its online keep grinding or youre just a losing player and thats that.

Its just ridicukous that so many people defend them and they legitimately dont even play on the site or if they do they have like 150$ on the site. My entire point is that theyre ****ing us cause they can and they can get away with it. We all just sit here and almost let htem by doing nothing and having everyone tell people like me im crazy when i know what im seeing and experiencing i been playing poker my whole life on every site... nothig is like this.

Im also up around 1.4mm lifetime between online and live going back 12 years. I do win long term. I know whats within the scope of variance and what is... off. ACR is the only place ive never won. EVER. Neither have any of my insanely profitable friends. I guess were all just conspiracy theory delusional losers. silly me.

Lol, tilt much? Your comprehension appears to be similar to the detective work. I said I go back to Doyles Room, which...is now WPN. Yeah, I suppose you could say I put in a 'bit' of volume on the site. Have three MTTs going now. Based on your prior posts, if I showed you any stats you'd claim I'm a superuser or perhaps even a house player. For the record, I do t use any HUD or other software. I'm far from insanely profitable, to use your term, but I am up far more than I've deposited over the years. I also play on many WPN skins.

You make a claim with no evidence or proof. Scroll back, there are people with very detailed proof of boots or questionable play. The difference is, they provided evidence to discuss. There are far more people that have made declarations about this site, and every other one that has existed, with nothing other than some feels. There is a hole thread full of riggie claims, thousands of posts even.

Post proof, get discussion. It isn't hard. Truthfully, every player would want to be aware of any wrongdoing.

Close the game, you're on a bad tilt and bad run. Enjoy your Sunday evening. Good luck in future games.

they literally dont allow you to access the proof (HHs) unless you screen shot the hand as it just happened. I mean what more do you need to even start questioning it?

I have a ton of hands saved. Like i said in my previous post.. what does it do to post a bunch of hands that i lost? Every one will just say you should want the call, youre just running bad etc etc...

Joey ingram wasnt wrong... he didnt get disproved... he just lost his mind and gave up cause even if youre right what does that do? Nothing... the govt needs to do something about it theres literally nothing i can do as a private citizen that has nothing to do with the company to stop it. I have proof, all the HH and bad beats that are just unfathomable spots that make no sense and i lose every single one. But again how does that make it stop with out people just calling me craszy cause i post a bunch of losing hands.

Still no regs or grinders that can come in here and tell me they consistently make money huh? Not one single person can post a graph on the bbiggest online poker site in the world of being a winning player on ACR? Not one?

Nobody talks about massive guarantee tourneys nothing... nothing fishy at all about that.

Any one see eric crain's tweet last night on ACR? Said basically get your money off acr he knows opeople that know are fixing the cash games. Dont think someone with his platform would use it to just spew BS. The storm is brewwwwwing...

Entitlement issues much?

Perhaps you might want to consider that the people who can do such a thing, aren't at all interested in pandering to your paranoia.

Not to mention that the biggest winners on WPN are the rakeback grinders who are playing sick amounts of volume. They're too busy for your nonsense. Someone like IceBankMiceElf is far too busy working, so that he can collect the top prize in both "The Beast" and "Sit n Crush" each week.

Perhaps this is something else that you should consider, maybe, just maybe you don't win because the winners are busy working, while you're busy complaining that no one can win.

Your meds need adjusting.

Why would anyone feel the need to prove anything to someone with empty claims? Seven posts, all rants about nonsense....how many accounts have you had banned here already?

Money_and_Women *cough cough*. Pretty empty life to get banned and come back with the same bull****. This is at least your third account I'm guessing.

I concede WPN being rigged seems feasible compared to the idea that MJK12 is a winning player to the tune of 1.4m$. Why don't you post graphs from the sites you allegedly win on first mate.

Who is Eric Crain and why is he not forthcoming with info about what he claims he heard rather than just saying he got some info? Is the info about colluders or bots or in-house stuff orrr?

edit: looks like he has some credentials in dfs (rotogrinders contributor), but still wondering why he can't give more info on a claim that provocative.

http://ibb.co/cxNcvU

ON YOUR BIKE RIGTARD

I consistently make money on WPN as do a bunch of other "grinders".

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