It's not really bad beats.
But I understand your point and thank you for taking the time to move it.

It's more like a sequence of hands where you are going to lose money.
Unfortunately is just that it's like back to back.

np

If the outcomes of hands after you have played them properly, (I don't know if you did or not as I didn't read them), is that you lost money, they're always bad beats!

If you're just playing for fun and wouldn't know "properly" from "DoD", then you should probably be thankful that at least you're running lucky on PP. Long may that last for you.

That's how random works. Random events are never evenly distributed, there are always clusters.

Sure you can get clusters, but they are supposed to be rare and happen occasionally
Therefore not to be a regular thing.

Maybe you shouldn't be thinking that random events are supposed to be anything? Play your game for fun at stakes you can afford to lose, and be amused by how bad your luck is when your Q-flushes are beaten by K-flushes. Use the hands to tell interesting stories to your friends. Everyone loves to hear bad beat stories.

Yeah I turned it around in the end and made a profit.

2$ win 3$ above Ev thanks to two flips after 1500.
It was 750 with something like - 50bb/100 followed by 60bb/100 over 750.

The issue for me here is the playability.
It's is similar to hyper-turbo games.
The variance is huge and you need a extrem soft field to beat the rake.

I mean I can't imagine to beat any pool that is slightly more challenging than this.
If NL2 is so swingy where like half of the population are beginners and/or gamblers,
higher limits should be unimaginable/unplayable swingy.
If it gets slightly tougher than this I am basically rolling dice here.
You know what I mean ?

I think we do.

Only a very few come out winners in the long run. Maybe only one in five players.

If you don't mind taking the time out of your life to play a game you obviously enjoy, you should be happy if you win a few dollars a few days per month. Forget the days you lose a few - just remember: when the fun stops - stop.

Why do you think this is true, and what is randomness "supposed" to look like?

Like, do you think coinflips should go HTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHTHT...?

After some simple digging on the internet I found out why you SHOULD avoid at all costs unregulated networks operating from places outside jurisdiction and it made sense as I was experiencing high net loss and consistent bad beats that do not match the odds of poker over a large number of hands tracked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GVC_Holdings

The only thing right now is what I'm trying to find is a network that has some decent traffic without rigging software outcome for the purpose of keeping higher traffic and protecting weaker players while it generates rake from all.

After Black Friday U.S did a pretty good job protecting its citizens understanding the scheme they are operating with but this also made it difficult to find genuine networks with decent traffics.

And why should you?

What does that article have to do with unregulated / outside jurisdiction?

My original intention wasn't to make it a rigged statement.
It was just to point out how much of an impact situations like this can have on your result.

Just to recover from a 3 Stacks drop every 3k Hands for example,
Requires 10bb/100 in the rest of the hands just to reach even.
(300bb/30= 10 bb).

I would need 600bb or 20bb/100 in the rest of my hands to reach a rate of 10bb/100.

Just as a side note I have aournd 20% vpip I played something like 10 hands and 4 of them where this.
It is no just the chance to lose those hands but also to get them in a row.

You would not notice them if they were not clumped, so when they do happen like that (as they should at times) - people like you then isolate them and think they are special, when they are not.

Look, perhaps it is a massive conspiracy to rig hands at 2NL or whatever you play, even though that costs the site money and makes them nothing. The other possibility is that it is a combination of variance and your innately weak play.

Even the hands you posted (that got moved) - you got in the bulk of teh chips behind every time, and in many of the hands you were literally behind on every street. Lots of weak players lose more in hands than they should, while winning smaller amounts than they should when the situation is reversed. Good chance that is you and the weakness of your play rather than some mystical forces at work to mess up your game at the nano stakes.

In the end you can believe whatever you like, however reality tends to be quite simple on matters like this.

All the best.

Your example is one of the most highly regulated gambling companies on earth.

Clearly you have a special, gifted insight into hidden truths that the rest of us cannot see, or choose to ignore/suppress. Fortunately for you, Walmart has a sale this weekend on red string, yellow sticky notes and different color pens, so you can get all the supplies you need to patch together this conspiracy on your wall.

After that you should contact every major media outlet (unless they are in on it - Fake News and all), and pick the best street corners for you to preach your message. You can likely find a nice box to stand on being discarded by a variety store (make sure they are not in on it). Film you giving your message and put it on youtube, though be sure they cannot trace it back to you, because this is the type of stuff people vanish for revealing. Riggies love youtube so some will see it.

The world needs people like you exposing these important truths that only people like you can see, so be sure to do everything within your power to spread your message.

Also, watch out for rigs and coolers at 2NL. Apparently that is a thing. Include that on your wall.

All the best.

It really doesn't make a difference.

If the games got so high level that luck supersedes skill in almost every situation,
and luck becomes more important then skill that is already enough.
It doesn't really matter if it is rigged or not at that point.

yes, bad beat stories seem to make folks congregate around you to learn more. they tend to want to know as many details as possible leading up to said beat as they try to console and comfort you.

Those were not bad beats, just hands were I have to lose money.

1. Considering his hand range I had at least 60 % chance to split the pot.
I can't really fold here anymore without losing money in case of split pots.

2. Considering him calling everything that is a pair of tens and better I was also above 60 %
I can't check here without losing a bunch of value.

3. I beat every set, every straight and just lose vs 16 possible flush combinations.
If I just check I lose the value vs straights and sets.

4. If he would just play AA,KK, AQ, QJ, KQ i am still above 50 % with two possible flush draws on the board.
I have to protect my hand and get value from AA, KK, AKs from someone with such a thing 3bet range.

I just mean I didn't had much of a choice here.

I have no doubt you believe you play very well, however the odds are you do not play as well as you believe. I have lost track of the number of people I have dealt with who justify every play they make.

Instead of worrying about quasi-riggie nonsense, why don't you just post those hands and more in the beginners forum and ask for feedback. If you choose to do that (most riggies avoid the strat forums) be sure to leave out any hint of riggie concerns, as you will be correctly disregarded if you express them. You may find if you actually work on your game the riggie concerns fade away somewhat.

All the best.

It is not about the outcome.
It is in what kind of spots and hands I get into.
I get FH vs Quads blind-battle.
Followed by Aces vs river gut-shot.
Then twopair and flushdraw vs straight with flushdraw blocker.
FH vs Trips where a 3,8% 3bet guy holds QJo.
And those were the only decent hands I got during a 500 Hand period.
And then sessions like this every couple of sessions.
Its not why do I get such a bad outcome its why do I get dealt so many times those kind of hands.

Of course it was about the outcomes. You posted 4 hands, you lost all 4 hands and titled the post "How unlucky can I be on PokerStars?" as if the world was programmed against you at the nanostakes for some reason.


All players get into those types of hands. Good chance you are losing the max possible every time, where better players may not, and that would make a difference long term. I know you believe you played it perfectly, and will likely not consider the suggestion I made to get actual coaching or at least start discussions on hands without riggie nonsense. That's why you keep posting here instead of the strat forums.

Nah. You probably convince yourself this, but this is not true. You are obsessed with selective memory, and as a result you see all sorts of spooky things that never exist.

You should ignore the riggie nonsense and concentrate on improving your game, but safe to say that will not likely happen.


You are not special. Nobody else cares if you win or lose at the nano stakes. Nobody. You are not the main character in online poker. You do not get dealt any extra hands of any kind. You probably lose more than you should in big hands, but perhaps you prefer to complain about it rather than working on your game. Assuming this is the case, continue to post about it here. Nobody will believe your concerns, but you may feel better for a short while, as some people like to whine.

All the best.

I'm playing right now for at least 12 years on pokerstars.
And can't remember ever having remotely that kind of impression/experience like I had in the last couple of years.
Not even when I was starting out and knew nothing about the game or when I was playing higher stakes.
My impression is just that the situations/sessions became extremely polarized.

Believing you are the personal target of a pointless "Polarization Rig" at the nano stakes is certainly easier for you than working on your outdated game, so perhaps this faith of yours, complete with the cathartic whining, is the right choice.

All the best.

Can we agree on that the way someone is playing doesn't change the cards and boards everybody is dealt ?

Sensible people could, sure. But those who are convinced that sites are rigging the deck often come up with convoluted theories that fish are given better results to even things out, which would mean that the way they play absolutely changes the cards everybody is dealt. So in this thread, no, you can't get agreement on that.

Not sure what such an agreement has to do with the post you replied to, though.

Edit to add: Thinking about this more, I don't know if you even believe that statement. But then, I'm not totally following what you think is happening, because right now it almost sounds like you think the sites are rigging the deal to have more big hands play against each other, but I'm not sure why the site would want to rig the deck to make less money.

First, can we agree that everybody is an ordinary player? If the other players are house-bots or superusers in league with the poker site, who knows what cards they were initially dealt? Obviously, their downcards can easily be changed later to suit the result if they have to be shown or can be seen in HHs.