https://youtu.be/v69L36o8crQ?t=2s

With you, it seems like it certainly is.

I'll add to what I said earlier, I started playing last year and I built up a nice BR (2.5k) just through luckboxing it and having some ok intuition (ZeeWhyZeeZee 888), then my luck ran out and eventually I tilted it away.

I invested in training programs like Upswing, RYE and all the free content I could find, so in the fall of last year I started after getting rekt in the summer. You can look up ZeeWhyZeeZee on Stars and Party, it was going ok, but not as fast as I wanted it to, see this thread I made:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/3...37/index2.html

Just basically me whining for a few pages, but in fairness I was running bad, however it was relatively standard.

Since then, I went on to build up my BR on Party and and Stars, crushing $5 Omaha due to solid preflop fundamentals and doing well at the low stakes. I took some time off again to start this year as I was going through a bit of a downswing when I decided to transition to 50nl HU for a bit and boy did that do wonders for formulating good strategies around different flops, frequencies and sizings.

I started playing more HU tournies and was lucky to bink one of the PKOs I played for 1k, but it was not smooth sailing after that, in the 100+ games that followed although I was still winning, I had 16 straight top 10s without taking it down, obviously complete PKOs are a bit different, but the point stands about how bad I was running late, that doesn't count the 10-15 other times I finished in the 1% without big scores.

Basically, at one point I was up around 1k for 2-2.5 months, but the upper end if I won 100% of those super late spots was like 30k, so with slightly better run it could've easily been 5-6k nevermind anything ridiculous like winning 100%.

Yesterday I managed to run like God and take advantage of some pretty poor play:



And while I did sun run in that tournament a few times (winning 2 flips in a row and 2 75/25s in a row on the FT, winning a 75/25 before that and 1 two outer on the river), I also got rekt a few times (aces cracked, 20/80d once, lost 3 flips in a row, running into a bigger flush draw when I had fd and 2 overs as well), the sun run wasn't really ridic per se



Last bit is tournament.

So yeah, I started NOT being able to beat $10-15 ABI (getting crushed at $20s), not being able to beat 25nl and now I beat $20 ABI without any problem and 50 NL without much issue either. Why? Because I studied and invested in the best training material, just that simple

It's obviously a dumb debate, but real, living and personal examples do seem to work better for people than hard data which can be manipulated.

^^
nice. but no fun. can't you post something more whiny, redundant and useless?

Ok, I lied, I'm actually Pokerstars CEO's son, he rigged it for me, get rekt rec scum.

Bad/weak players are so protected on this software that it's so blatantly obvious. I just hope those behind Party Poker truly understand what odds and percentages are but criminals don't have much of an IQ. If they did they would know at least that some of their victims will eventually come after them either soon or close to their bucket lists.

What's worst is how also this forum platform is infiltrated as well most likely through lobbying means. So, they too most likely will get some taste of justice for advertising in the past and present networks with criminal links.

There is notable difference between a fixed/rigged software and regular one and this difference goes to 99.9% accuracy the more hands are sampled. I understand we are living in a flawed system where loopholes do exist but those loopholes work only against the corrupt authorities not against those who will go at all means to bring a better world for us tomorrow if not for themselves for the future generations.

I'm bored. I'll indulge your tinfoilhat theory. What is this "blatantly obvious" thing you have observed and recorded? Where are the spreadsheets?

Are you losing more coinflips than usual vs new players? Have you compiled a list of new players that have gone on a heater? Have you figured out how long this incubation protection period is. Before it wears off?

As one of these new players. I've already lost half my bankroll. Where was my "protection"? Or am I suppose to go down further. Until I'm left with my last few buyins, before it kicks in?

@CSIN

Track the times you've won hands based on the odds.
Track the times you've won hands based on getting lucky.
Track the times you've lost hands based against the odds.

The longer you track the more accurate your sampling data becomes. Party Poker is not completely rigged as good players can and will see profit out of playing there. There is no doubt about that as weak/bad players should also naturally lose their $ but the process is just prolonged based on the algorithm so party poker maintains better traffic and more rake from its player pool.

Show us your breakdown of your data then, since it was so blatant, complete with the specific theories tested, the methodology used etc. I suggest that while knowing it will never happen, because riggies.

All the best.

Please share your data.

Guys, Kopogero already shared their data:
What more do you need to see such an obvious rig over such a huge sample of hands?

So if I'm reading this right, he has a variance of -9.6 bb/100 from expectation over 4781 hands.

LOL really? And he thought that was noteworthy in poker? We don't know his personal standard deviation but in any NL game this result is likely less than 1 standard deviation from expected. Meaning totally normal.

Also this is just around 418 BB you could reach that in couple of hands.
If you for example lose a 75 % Hand in a 200 BB Pot that is already getting -100 BB instead of +50 BB.
Lose three of those in a row you already reach 450 BB below EV.

On the other hand it is just All In EV the vast majority of the hands you play won't reach a All In before the river.
You could lose 1 All In Pot before the river due to a suckout but win 100 Pots with a suck out that didn't went All In before the river and would run below EV.

I'll add further evidence.

I've been warning individuals not to participate at party network as there is strong evidence of criminal activity and software fixing/rigging so it favors weak/bad players for the purpose to keep them longer, maintaining bigger traffic while also receiving more rake overall. Keep in mind in the past party poker also has a history, if you google it you'll see how once they purposely separated their weak/bad/recreational players from their regular/good ones, but they reversed that after the negative feedback. So, now I'm not too surprised they are choosing this road.

I'm also going to provide one hand which is also a blatant example how hard they are working on rigging the software. For privacy purposes I changed my screen name to xxxxx.


davidlopez.du58 raises [$0.52 USD]
xxxxx raises [$2.05 USD]
Collenberg83 calls [$1.90 USD]
davidlopez.du58 folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 8s, Td ]
xxxxx bets [$2.60 USD]
Collenberg83 calls [$2.60 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
xxxxx is all-In [$3.85 USD]
Collenberg83 calls [$3.85 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
xxxxx shows [ Qs, Qc ]a pair of Queens.
Collenberg83 shows [ Qd, 2d ]a flush, Ace high.
Collenberg83 wins $16.84 USD from the main pot with a flush, Ace high.

I hope party poker ends up with zero traffic due to the negative feedback it receives from vocal players like me on their software. All these "too good to be true" promotions are there for a reason. I and many avid poker players are sad any time we run into a network who believes through criminal means it will generate more profits than running genuinely. They simply believe that their average player is a sheeple, but I strongly believe most poker players out there are intelligent enough to quickly recognize rigging after sampling date for prolong period. These type of "bad beats" are almost a daily occurrence at this network and they are way too frequent than they should be.

Years ago I also played at betfair I think (ipoker network) and I cashed out after months exactly due to the same thing and again the common thing these networks have is this really good "promotions".

How many glasses can you fill in a day by just putting them below your face and catching drool?

No. There isn't any evidence.

By the way stating someone is conducting criminal activities without evidence is possibly libelous.

What the hell is that hand supposed to be showing? That nobody should ever make a flush?? Which happens what, 12% of the time with suited hands??

I think it shows you overplaying a pair.

SMH

Yeah you still should realize what you are doing and what kind of game you are playing.
Its poker few suck outs here and there are absolutely normal.

I also see a lot of people calling flop bets with almost pure air like in his example.
Normally it should be a piece of cake to make a profit even with few leaks here and there, like it used to be several years ago.
But it's not, even if your opponent makes horrible plays like this somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 % of the time or more you barely make a profit anymore.
Which is kind of not really plausible, therefore I can understand that some people find it might be rigged.

Well, he must have had a real ugly session after that, because 8 hours later he informed everyone that he had played his last hand at Party, and that Ongame Network, Cake Network (now Horizon Network), iPoker Network, and Party Poker Network would be getting what was coming to them by him or someone like him. He then continued with some rather nasty words for Party's rep here.

Given that it's at least the 3rd or 4th time he's threatened people, he's no longer welcome on our site, so I'm sorry to say there will be no further opportunity for him to share all this "evidence" he has.

2+2 is rigged

So true. Just when they get close to revealing the truth...

Yeah I also feel he was just pissed and was looking to blow off steam.
It's poker you gonna get few suck outs even if you are crushing the game.

But on the other side if have opponents that make insane mistakes like this,
it is hard to give credit to the argument everything has changed and people just got better.

I mean what else do you ask for that is like the perfect villain, he calls a 3bet with Q2s then a bet with a backdoor draw.
The opponent could not play worse without doing it intentionally.
Here it should be theoretically enough just to have a good preflop hand selection and just 3 barrel every Toppair with good kicker or better and every 8 outer or better.

Back in 2012 it was possible I played 12 tables like this when I didn't have the motivation, watched tv on the side and had a consistent 12+ BB/100 win rate with few small dents.

Nowadays you can't beat those guys like this and it is not just because they make great plays.

You don't even get boards to have a win rate like this.
After couple thousand hands you are going to hit a wall with that strategy which can go on for hours.
You won't make enough hands, not gonna flop anything, draws are gonna miss, your hands turn into **** on later streets,you get bad beats and coolers on top of that.
What completely destroys your win rate.

Wait so is this The Goat, pdkd, or no? ^^

DonCheckRaiso

I've moved your list of bad beats to your own thread in BBV.

If you want to post in this important thread, please stay on topic.

Thank you.