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Old 07-15-2018, 09:45 PM   #84476
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As a player u should know about long term things. They create more 50-50 scenarios so the game is more even long term. They don't need to pick a good or bad player. But it favor the bad player more if they can get it in closer to 50%. Cuz with out it the most likely would be getting it in with about. 30-40% chance. Like today I had QQ. Flop was Q75 I bet guy decides to shove.....he has J8. Huh..........yes j8. U read it right j8........yup j8. Turn 9 river 10.
Have you considered that this 50-50 rig might be in your favor?
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:17 AM   #84477
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If it was debunked I would like to see it. The article raises some good points, but they ultimately kill a lot of their credibility at the very end by stating "One poker room that our team tested that is considered to be on of the most secure online poker rooms is America’s Card Room. Below are some of the placements on their landing website that show that they place security far above all other features of their poker room."

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why are you posting a fearmongering rigtard "article" from 2015 itt
What does it matter what year it's from? Did you or anyone debunk their analysis somewhere since then?
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:14 AM   #84478
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proceeds to post one hand as proof. ok buddy. but once again why would it give you that bad beat? why not just deal the other guy better hands so you wouldn't think it was rigged? also can you post your ev graph?
It's not giving me a bad beats. It even up the games by doing this. It doesn't favor any one person.even poker is the most profitable thing they can do for poker
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:16 AM   #84479
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The next post might actually feature a proper sentence.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:17 AM   #84480
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Have you considered that this 50-50 rig might be in your favor?
It is in my favor. It's the same for everyone. Even poker is the goal of all poker rooms. How they accomplish that may differ. Anonymous tables, random seating, no hud use, limiting how many tables you can play etccc. The goal is all the same to keep the games as even as possible. So u doubt they may do something to the deal of the cards to create this also?
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:41 PM   #84481
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Guys, I rolled 2 dice earlier and rolled a 10, these dice are obviously rigged to even things out.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:25 PM   #84482
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If it was debunked I would like to see it. The article raises some good points, but they ultimately kill a lot of their credibility at the very end by stating "One poker room that our team tested that is considered to be on of the most secure online poker rooms is America’s Card Room. Below are some of the placements on their landing website that show that they place security far above all other features of their poker room."







What does it matter what year it's from? Did you or anyone debunk their analysis somewhere since then?


There is nothing to debunk since there was no actual data ever released of any kind. Nothing except a bunch of stupid screen shots in some article by some nobody to get a bunch of rigtards hyped up and shouting “SEE!!! I knew it!!!” And trying to push ACR as the better site. Of course we all know how much ACR cares about security. The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

Seems the article still works for some though several years later.
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:29 PM   #84483
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Guys, I rolled 2 dice earlier and rolled a 10, these dice are obviously rigged to even things out.
My pair of dice seems to roll a 7 more than any other value, something is fishy.
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:38 PM   #84484
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My single dice converts to an average value of about 3,50.
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Old 07-16-2018, 07:37 PM   #84485
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It is in my favor. It's the same for everyone. Even poker is the goal of all poker rooms. How they accomplish that may differ. Anonymous tables, random seating, no hud use, limiting how many tables you can play etccc. The goal is all the same to keep the games as even as possible. So u doubt they may do something to the deal of the cards to create this also?
the fact that they have to do all these measures should be proof that they are not rigging the cards. hell why do you think they do that? give me better reasoning than its to stop better players from coming into lower stake games and crushing new/bad players which would destroy your argument that people can't win.


so the decision is simple, its rigged so you can't even get ahead.....or going all in after the flop with a set was a bad decision
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:24 PM   #84486
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There is nothing to debunk since there was no actual data ever released of any kind. Nothing except a bunch of stupid screen shots in some article by some nobody to get a bunch of rigtards hyped up and shouting “SEE!!! I knew it!!!” And trying to push ACR as the better site. Of course we all know how much ACR cares about security. The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

Seems the article still works for some though several years later.
I didn't contact the writer and I don't intend to, but it was mentioned that they would provide all of the data and testing information if you did contact them.

Even if we were to disregard the edge casing claim they make about the RNG, you don't think their conclusions about collusion and bot security has merit? Those things certainly have and do take place.

Maybe all collusion has ceased though since we haven't heard of a refund in here in quite some time. I used to get at least one a month when I regularly played the SNGs.

The ACR push at the end does make me think it was a piece paid for by them, but I don't think that takes away from every point raised in the article.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:33 PM   #84487
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I've been playing at party poker for at least 4-5 months this year. I've been playing online poker for over a decade.

I experienced some of the most significant bad beats last time I played which is why I stopped. Now I gave it one more try this month and I'll go into details exactly what I experienced. I played first obviously at a very low limit $0.5/.10 this Thursday. I barely stayed even and then Friday I went to 0.10/25 NL and I earned around 150 USD.

Saturday, again I play the best possible poker and I earned $400, then Sunday came and I lost $300. How does one go from +400 to -300 in a single day? Well, I'll tell you exactly how.

Bad beat after bad beat after bad beat after bad beat.

When I have AK they have AA, when I have AA they have KK but flop to river will show like four clubs and he has the 5th. Flop comes xJQ after I reraise preflop, I bet with AK, big bet, he decides to go all in with absolute nothing like A5, turn comes guess what a 5.

I get QQ, someone decides to go all in on my preflop reraise with QQ with AK, full buyin and obviously K comes. The best hands are the ones like when I had 77, flop was 567, he has 88, he bets I re raise, turn comes 8, and guess what, river comes a 5, so he makes a better full house.

Bottom line, playing the best you can play and the same downswings occur that occurred months ago where I stopped. The odds do not add up, people playing bad but they get rewarded. Party poker advanced software those this to keep their players as long as it can while generating rake from everyone. Players like me will barely break even at the end. This is exactly why they have these "promotions" because their software does not work like it's supposed to after long sampling of data. The odds are simply not there and any professional player will bail out quickly on the first opportunity. This is why you rarely see anyone on that site at high limit tables.

There is sadly not really a good choice for online poker right now. Software decade ago weren't developed and advanced like today, but still then they could see cards, otherwise how would someone decide on heads up after few hands to go all in with pair of 10's with A kicker, just keep reraising the flop for USD $8400 unless he knew I had 10K? I just wanted to quit poker for good back then and online gaming (revolution network) was that criminal network who stole my $.

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Old 07-16-2018, 09:32 PM   #84488
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I didn't contact the writer and I don't intend to, but it was mentioned that they would provide all of the data and testing information if you did contact them.



Even if we were to disregard the edge casing claim they make about the RNG, you don't think their conclusions about collusion and bot security has merit? Those things certainly have and do take place.



Maybe all collusion has ceased though since we haven't heard of a refund in here in quite some time.The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition I used to get at least one a month when I regularly played the SNGs.



The ACR push at the end does make me think it was a piece paid for by them, but I don't think that takes away from every point raised in the article.


Nope I really don’t think that **** has any merit. And people did try to contact them to no avail. I’ve played close to a million hands on Bovada at mainly 1knl some 500nl and some 2knl. I look thru every single session with all whole cards exposed and there has maybe been one or 2 instances where I’ve suspected some sort of collusion was present. Sure there will be some collusion. It’s online poker I mean come on. I do believe it’s tougher now and the Bovada polices it well.

So no I think that article is complete bull****. And so does anyone with a brain.

If there was even one single shred of credible proof of a faulty RNG on Bovada it would have the biggest thread in NVG. Not to mention it would be front page news on various credible poker news outlets.

They did a good job creating a bull**** article illustrating every thing a rigtard says about online poker though. I agree it’s convincing to people that don’t think critically.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:49 PM   #84489
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Was playing omaha the other day and hit quads. Sweet!

Ended up splitting pot with another guy who had basically nothing

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Old 07-16-2018, 10:38 PM   #84490
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the fact that they have to do all these measures should be proof that they are not rigging the cards. hell why do you think they do that? give me better reasoning than its to stop better players from coming into lower stake games and crushing new/bad players which would destroy your argument that people can't win.


so the decision is simple, its rigged so you can't even get ahead.....or going all in after the flop with a set was a bad decision
When did anyone say people can't win ? I have been winning for 15 years online. I said they want to create even game. That does not mean good players will not win. It me an good player could be winning less then maybe they should, but they are still gonna win.
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Old 07-16-2018, 10:52 PM   #84491
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That article reads like a rigtard masturbation fantasy. Their top notch mathematicians and scientists are testing the wrong thing. To test big hands and define them as a straight and above is silly. Why not just run tests like Holdem manager does to see how often you and everyone else flops a set etc. Big hands the way the article writer describes them are relative. A one card straight is different from a two card straight and kickers matter with quads etc. Of course fools at bovada that over value crappy hands are going to make it to showdown more often then players at ACR making it so there are more big hand vs big hand situations.
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Old 07-17-2018, 08:12 AM   #84492
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....i Play only 1-2 tables...without ANY Software...so i have my eyes on the table always...!
...the RNG is in my eyes not the same as before GVC was.! more and more obvious!!!shame!

this what happen here now remember me strong on my 888times/years/many888years...before i was stop playing there, forever!

tweaked
and the algor. kill you! (maybe that is the area(the hidden) where the most work goes in...) not much time left for a fewmore tablethemes etc. etc.
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:00 AM   #84493
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sry if that was a bit "heavy"...i had a not optimal working day...
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Old 07-17-2018, 09:30 AM   #84494
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If you are unhappy just quit, that covers both sides.
If you think the games are to tough to beat or if you think the games are rigged.

There are to points that will make a solid case with out insider knowledge impossible.
The first and major one is that it's random and the second one is the complexity itself. Distinguishing between just a random unfortunate outcome and a systematic manipulation is going to be quiet impossible.
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Old 07-17-2018, 01:22 PM   #84495
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Or, you could learn the strategies that work against loose donks and DGAF gamblers.
You will find almost non of those on NL5 and higher.

I play right now for over a decade on Pokerstars.
Was for many years regular on NL25/NL50 an higher, made easily a consistent profit etc.
I am just mentioning that to point out that I am no stranger to improving
and moving up etc.
Form my perspective NL5 and higher is pretty much unbeatable.
For me it would be similar to thinking back then ,for example in 2012, "I am going to beat NL1000+ and get rich by playing poker."
Even NL2 is quiet a grind and demands a certain amount of luck.
What I mean is the hurdle is just to big.
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Old 07-17-2018, 01:33 PM   #84496
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I am undecided if online is rigged and play virtually no online poker.
However I would think if you had a large enough sample size for many players you would be able to see if the draws are in line with an expected standard deviation.
Also at higher levels with REAL Money involved it wouldnt be to hard for 3 friends to sit in the same room On the same table and see who has what.
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Old 07-17-2018, 02:11 PM   #84497
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I am undecided if online is rigged and play virtually no online poker.
However I would think if you had a large enough sample size for many players you would be able to see if the draws are in line with an expected standard deviation.
Also at higher levels with REAL Money involved it wouldnt be to hard for 3 friends to sit in the same room On the same table and see who has what.
You just need a small change even if you give someone -100bb over 1000 Hands on average it results in 10bb/100.
The variations of dealing a board are astronomical huge.
And even if it would be a such obvious case and you could prove that you are several percent off, so what ? It is still a statistical value.
You can easily just shut it down with the argument "bad luck,bro"

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Old 07-17-2018, 06:00 PM   #84498
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Also at higher levels with REAL Money involved it wouldnt be to hard for 3 friends to sit in the same room On the same table and see who has what.
yeah, i brought up something like this a number of times. you could even do the private game option as long as you are not worried about that being different from normal tables. people who think a rig might exist would just have to organize a bit. they would then have all hole card info as well which has been a common desire for doubters.
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:13 PM   #84499
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yeah, i brought up something like this a number of times. you could even do the private game option as long as you are not worried about that being different from normal tables. people who think a rig might exist would just have to organize a bit. they would then have all hole card info as well which has been a common desire for doubters.
In a private game you could even cut out the rake completely.
I kind of wonder if anybody does it.
You could organize it like they do in this pineapple games for example.
Someone guarantees the payouts, you just play for play money and note down the score.
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Old 07-17-2018, 08:50 PM   #84500
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I've been online poker player for over a decade, so for me it's easy to spot quickly after sampling a certain number of hands to know if the odds are indeed close to accurate or if I''m dealing with advanced software which purpose is to keep and reward losing players for the purpose to stick around longer while the software generates rake from everyone as well as keep larger traffic in place.

I would avoid party poker and the ipoker network. I'm interested to hear from some of the community here if there are any softwares left in the industry that are genuine when it at least comes to algorithm and odds.
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