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Old 07-10-2018, 02:12 AM   #84451
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

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So ... they rig the deal so that someone wins and someone loses, but it doesn't matter to them or to the players who wins or who loses? Wouldn't it be simpler for them just to let someone win and someone lose without risking that a player who keeps records proves a rig exists, after all these years of a rig not being proved to exist?
Pokerstars likely proved how rigs today can exist in today’s climate, but not rigging results long term, having the ability to control when big jackpots go off! And for who! What should be examined is who is the real account holders and beneficiaries of these things. I doubt very much this was totally random with 6 winners going off in a week or ten days and then how many went off for the next 6 months? One year? A minoot fraction... first what needs to be examined is the true capabilities of the back end of the software from a security standpoint and what is actually going on and who has access to this. For example can the fraud prevention dept set up hands to catch cheaters. If so is this being manipulated to influence results in other parts of the game. Abilities that are non disclosured and meant to be used to uphold the integrity of the game could ultimately be used to destroy it!
Lottery type games are the easiest to rig imo and the easiest to get away with it as we have seen accounts with minimum accounts history and hands played were pinging those million dollar spin and goes and disappearing forever...lotteries have been rigged, anything to do with money will corrupt either from the front end (players and casino games, slots) or the back end (super users). Or anywhere in between. It’s human nature to cheat

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Old 07-10-2018, 04:01 AM   #84452
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How would u prove it?
Know your limits, jungmit. Stick to thinking about lovely little kittens.

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Old 07-10-2018, 04:19 AM   #84453
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Pokerstars likely proved how rigs today can exist in today’s climate, but not rigging results long term, having the ability to control when big jackpots go off! And for who! What should be examined is who is the real account holders and beneficiaries of these things. I doubt very much this was totally random with 6 winners going off in a week or ten days and then how many went off for the next 6 months? One year? A minoot fraction... first what needs to be examined is the true capabilities of the back end of the software from a security standpoint and what is actually going on and who has access to this. For example can the fraud prevention dept set up hands to catch cheaters. If so is this being manipulated to influence results in other parts of the game. Abilities that are non disclosured and meant to be used to uphold the integrity of the game could ultimately be used to destroy it!
Lottery type games are the easiest to rig imo and the easiest to get away with it as we have seen accounts with minimum accounts history and hands played were pinging those million dollar spin and goes and disappearing forever...lotteries have been rigged, anything to do with money will corrupt either from the front end (players and casino games, slots) or the back end (super users). Or anywhere in between. It’s human nature to cheat

https://youtu.be/lzEHL_MqkuA
If those 6 jackpots had occurred at one per month, or at any other interval, then you would have thought they were as should be? I doubt it. You would have come up with some other idea to fit with your belief that there is a rig; which is yet to be proved by anyone, anywhere, including disgruntled ex-employees.

It's not human nature to cheat. This riggie likely proved that it's riggies' nature to cheat and therefore believe that normal people also cheat:

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Old 07-10-2018, 07:34 PM   #84454
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Any other regulars at party poker who are keeping a track on their bad beat vs getting lucky? I've been sampling data for a while now and the bad beat vs being lucky?

At the end it comes down to if something that is supposed to happen based on the odds happens accurately over large sample of cards. I just want to move away from this software despite decent promos. It feels like they have a system in place to me even at best, by doing mostly everything right.
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Old 07-10-2018, 10:46 PM   #84455
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Does anybody honestly think that poker is rigged nowadays? lulu
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:42 AM   #84456
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Fully aware I'm going to sound like one of 'those' but having played online poker for over 10 years getting through probably 50k SNGs in that time, I can't recall ever experiencing the sustained downswings as I have on Unibet, especially with how bad some of the players I face are. Obviously I could never prove anything with the sample of a few thousand games on Unibet but sometimes it sure feels like something ain't right.
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Old 07-11-2018, 12:49 PM   #84457
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I dont know if its rigged or not.
But for me Pokerstars is just unbeatable above NL5.
Besides the crazy boardtextures the amount of up and downswings is just insane.
Maybe it is just my bad luck but I get more up and downswings then regular sessions.
It is such a rollercoaster ride which makes it absolute unplayable.
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Old 07-11-2018, 04:14 PM   #84458
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Fully aware I'm going to sound like one of 'those' but having played online poker for over 10 years getting through probably 50k SNGs in that time, I can't recall ever experiencing the sustained downswings as I have on Unibet, especially with how bad some of the players I face are.
Larger swings against worse opponents is what you should expect, DUCY?

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Maybe it is just my bad luck but I get more up and downswings then regular sessions.
What's a "regular session"? Are you picturing a graph like this:
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Old 07-11-2018, 04:19 PM   #84459
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But for me Pokerstars is just unbeatable above NL5.
Well it requires some skills and the vast majority of players does not beat 5NL on PS. I don't know why people automatically assume they should beat something when that means others have to lose.
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Old 07-11-2018, 05:04 PM   #84460
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

Those Vpip20/PFR20/WTSD20/WonatSD20/WWSF20 that go on for hours every few days are just to brutal.

Sure I get in return some Vpip20/PFR20/WTSD20/WonatSD75+/WWSF45+ sessions, but that's not worth it.
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Old 07-11-2018, 07:49 PM   #84461
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Re: The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

This thread is pretty amazing, it can be summed up as:

Dunning kruger: losing players refusing to admit they suck

Bell curve: people with bad luck not realizing that SOMEONE has to be the unlucky one in poker

Sample size: "I played on site XYZ for x days/months/years and site YXZ that I just changed to is so much better"

Statistical tracking "no I don't have my graph, why would I care about that, it's obviously rigged"

There are so many questions to ask, rigged for who? Why would sites rig it? Are all sites rigging? If they're rigging for bad players, why not just play bad and benefit from the rigging? Basic stuff, but really it can all be explained by IQ distributions, low IQ people will generally need to justify their poor gambling habits (see scratch and wins and lotto tickets) and high IQ people will realize they suck and get better.
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:20 PM   #84462
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I am just saying it sucks to play there.
I rather have a table full with regulars on a other site than a table with recreational's on Pokerstars.
The variance/swings on Stars is/are just to extreme.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:10 PM   #84463
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I rather have a table full with regulars on a other site than a table with recreational's on Pokerstars.
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The variance/swings on Stars is/are just to extreme.
And again, no example of such "extreme" variance, just more complaining.

Read this thread about this graph:
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:53 PM   #84464
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I am just saying it sucks to play there.
I rather have a table full with regulars on a other site than a table with recreational's on Pokerstars.
The variance/swings on Stars is/are just to extreme.
Or, you could learn the strategies that work against loose donks and DGAF gamblers.
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Old 07-14-2018, 08:38 AM   #84465
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Maybe my enthusiasm got the best of me there.
All I am trying to say is it might be helpful to try out some different providers.
Maybe I just got lucky or Partypoker is just overall a lot softer then Pokerstars, but so far I have less huge swings and less crazy pots then on Pokerstars.
From my experience right Pokerstars is super sick when it comes to that.
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Old 07-14-2018, 11:42 PM   #84466
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has this been discussed/debunked?

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Old 07-15-2018, 08:24 AM   #84467
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why are you posting a fearmongering rigtard "article" from 2015 itt
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Old 07-15-2018, 08:31 AM   #84468
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why are you posting a fearmongering rigtard "article" from 2015 itt
Wow. intelligent answer. Thanks
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Old 07-15-2018, 01:45 PM   #84469
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has anyone explained how these sites pick "good" and bad players? when they pick the "good" player why does it give them bad beats? why not just put them in coolers? wouldn't that lead to less people rage quitting?
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Old 07-15-2018, 06:36 PM   #84470
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has anyone explained how these sites pick "good" and bad players? when they pick the "good" player why does it give them bad beats? why not just put them in coolers? wouldn't that lead to less people rage quitting?
As a player u should know about long term things. They create more 50-50 scenarios so the game is more even long term. They don't need to pick a good or bad player. But it favor the bad player more if they can get it in closer to 50%. Cuz with out it the most likely would be getting it in with about. 30-40% chance. Like today I had QQ. Flop was Q75 I bet guy decides to shove.....he has J8. Huh..........yes j8. U read it right j8........yup j8. Turn 9 river 10.
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Old 07-15-2018, 06:40 PM   #84471
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Yesterday all in I got QQ. Guy raises I go all in he calls. He has 95 yup u read it right again. Flop AAK pretty good right l? Don't worry. Turn A river A.
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Old 07-15-2018, 06:48 PM   #84472
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Yesterday all in I got QQ. Guy raises I go all in he calls. He has 95 yup u read it right again. Flop AAK pretty good right l? Don't worry. Turn A river A.
Do you believe this is never supposed to happen? When do remember the last time this happened to you just like this? Never right? So why is it a surprise it happened once?
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:47 PM   #84473
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Do you believe this is never supposed to happen? When do remember the last time this happened to you just like this? Never right? So why is it a surprise it happened once?
Yes it is supposed to happen once. If i cared enough I could post 20 hands a day like this. That is what I believe is NOT supposed to happen
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Old 07-15-2018, 08:24 PM   #84474
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Yes it is supposed to happen once. If i cared enough I could post 20 hands a day like this. That is what I believe is NOT supposed to happen
But you are wrong. And no, they wouldn't be "like this". Quad Aces on the board happens about every 54K rivers seen. So regular players might see 1 every couple years or so. But every hand you play is unique, and you are very unlikely to ever see the same exact cards on the board in the same order in your lifetime. You will rarely ever even see the same five exact cards on the board in any order, as there are over 2.5 million boards (not counting order). So "hands like this" is pretty meaningless.

If what you really meant was, hands where the luck ran against you and you lost a preflop all-in because of the luck of the deal, hell you should see that a lot every day, that's poker. The best you can ever hope for with a preflop all-in is to win about 80% if you only go in with Aces. If you go all in with a reasonable winning range of hands, you should expect to lose between 20% and 40% of the time. It doesn't matter if the board looks unlikely to you sometimes, it will still add up right.

You should quit poker, math is not strong with you.
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Old 07-15-2018, 09:17 PM   #84475
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As a player u should know about long term things. T.

proceeds to post one hand as proof. ok buddy. but once again why would it give you that bad beat? why not just deal the other guy better hands so you wouldn't think it was rigged? also can you post your ev graph?
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