The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition - Page 3372 - Internet Poker

Nobody is dismissing your feelings. Nobody likes bad beats (well, I guess one person does in every bad beat story).

One of NLHE's attractions is the "variance". How any hand can beat any other hand.

A poker variant without bad beats would be the most boring and unfun game you can imagine. Such a game would die off within days of being introduced.

Let's take an extreme case of AsAh vs. 7s2h. I think AA is about 90% likely to win AIPF. But do you know what that means? 72o is about 10% likely to win. Having a non-insignificant amount of equity is the nature of things when 5 cards are yet to come.

So if a poker site deals AA vs 72o 1,000 times in a week, say, then 72o will win around 100 times! You can rest assured that many of those 100 players who had their Aces cracked by 72o will wonder if the site is "fair" or not. And some may even come to a poker forum and express that view.

Nothing wrong with that, of course, but from a statistical perspective it takes a very large amount of data (hand histories) in order for most varieties of a "rigged" deal to be deemed viable.

Your point is correct, of course, but it’s a flawed example!

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04-29-2018 , 03:26 AM

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JobRunsBetter

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Originally Posted by Kelvis

You get treated the way you are. If you're an idiot, guess how you're going to be treated..

Your wife’s a whore. There now at least one poster has earned your diatribe of horse****e.

But I have the feeling that everything you’ve posted in your lol tldr series of ad hominem has been said to you multiple times over the course of many years.... daddy issues?

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04-29-2018 , 10:22 AM

#84279

Kelvis

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Originally Posted by JobRunsBetter

You were conceived from the loads they scraped off the walls next to a strip joint. You won't be the first rigtard that came here and lost. Eventually they stop posting, probably due to some calamity caused by stupidity.

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05-01-2018 , 02:54 AM

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PlanetRJ

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Originally Posted by Mohsen

"Me loosing with Aces"
What do you expect?
OP is blaming PS for loosing with AA vs T8o!
Do you really expect any logical reaponse behind that??

maybe it is funny for you if you run like a god , but when you see things like that happen 100 times in a row and every single time if you are 90% fav in the turn then lets see how you think. Calling A5 against 2 all is a terrible play but still ALWAYS the most terrible play is winning. I'm pretty sure that A5 is stars worker and always star workers gets all the bountys and money.

https://www.boomplayer.com/27655125_D741341558

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05-01-2018 , 06:50 AM

#84281

Kelvis

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Yeah they really took you for the full $5 there!!!! They get rich quickly.

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05-01-2018 , 08:24 AM

#84282

EvilGreebo

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Originally Posted by PlanetRJ

You really think you're gonna get good players in a $5.50 tournament?

You had an ideal situation and got unlucky. It happens. 1 hand is no proof of a rig.

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05-13-2018 , 01:40 PM

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popeyesretreat

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I have hear some sites use action inducing software, not just a random card generator. I do not think that is fair to the players. I have been dealt 4 of a kind 3 times in the last session and 5 times this week. Twice It was against other full houses and once against a nut flush on the turn.
Does anyone know if WSOP.com uses this action software? Does Poker Stars? I have been on Intertops and as long as it goes my way I do not mind, but it sucks being on the loser end.
IMHO that takes the skill out of the game , dealing people bad beats to increase action and rake.

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05-13-2018 , 02:26 PM

#84284

Mike Haven

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Originally Posted by Gambit2300

I have hear some sites use action inducing software, not just a random card generator.

I haven't heard that. Which sites use it?

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05-13-2018 , 04:40 PM

#84285

-UBetIFold-

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This entire thread is just a huge troll right? Like ppl aren't actually serious with these claims.

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05-13-2018 , 06:23 PM

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Bobo Fett

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With flat-earthers, truthers, and birthers out there, among others, I'm not sure why anything people believe would surprise anyone.

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05-14-2018 , 07:47 AM

#84287

Kelvis

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If you can get a billion people to believe the earth is ~6000 years old, dinosaurs lived with humans and there was actually a world wide flood then online poker being rigged seems perfectly believable.

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05-14-2018 , 08:01 AM

#84288

popeyesretreat

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Originally Posted by Mike Haven

I haven't heard that. Which sites use it?

As I did say I have heard, I seen Joey Ingram talk about it on his youtube channel and no I do not remember which one you can find it yourself. For all I know it could be one of Joey's conspiracy theories.

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05-14-2018 , 08:30 AM

#84289

NewOldGuy

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Originally Posted by Gambit2300

I have hear some sites use action inducing software, not just a random card generator.

It's fairly well established that this would reduce rake. Why would a site want to do that?

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05-14-2018 , 11:30 PM

#84290

jungmit

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Originally Posted by NewOldGuy

It's fairly well established that this would reduce rake. Why would a site want to do that?

It will increase rake. If the hands are exciting people play longer and more often odbthe games are boring they play less. Win or lose they like exciting hands. This is why sites deal bigger hands vs each other. I am about to play 100 hands each day record results then immediately after deal 100 live hands record results. All this should be done with some proof of results. I am actually willing to take bets that people will make bigger hands online then the live sample. I am going to record the sessions. But then again do I really give a damn? No matter what proof u bring to these sites they are too ignorant to even understand what is going on.

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05-15-2018 , 02:48 AM

#84291

Last Laugh

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100 hands? Dude, 100 hands is what the big kids call "not statistically significant".

For instance - if you play a live session of a few hours and get in 100 hands, do you expect a live session the next day to have the exact same amount of 'action hands'?

What about if you play 5 days in a row?

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05-15-2018 , 02:59 AM

#84292

Kelvis

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He doesn't understand that, you have to communicate in jungtard language.

Derp derp derp derpie derp.

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05-15-2018 , 06:36 AM

#84293

cramble

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Ignore the haters jungmit, record those 200 hands and post them here. Let's see the data!

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05-15-2018 , 09:38 AM

#84294

jungmit

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Originally Posted by Last Laugh

100 hands per day. Read the post. After a month it will be 3000 hands after 1 year it will be 36000 hands

I was gonna YouTube it all. But it's a lot of work at this point I am not sure I even care. But 30 hands in playing 3 handed it was 77 vs kk vs qq. Gotta love it. Flop was AQJ...you know the rest the turn was obv a ten. Miracle outcomes to go along with miracle starting hands

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05-15-2018 , 11:07 AM

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Monteroy

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So the other 29 hands had nothing of note happen. Impressive that you got to a whole 30 hands (with only 1 hand being memorable) before quitting on this latest whatever of yours. 36,000 hands indeed... Nice as well that you offered more prop bets after your long history of doing that and then never carrying through on them.

All the best.

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05-15-2018 , 11:58 AM

#84296

jungmit

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Originally Posted by Monteroy

No. Plenty happened. That was the biggest ****** hand. Maybe i will list them later.

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05-15-2018 , 02:06 PM

#84297

Monteroy

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You went from saying you would video record and post 36,000 (100 hands a day for a year) to talking about a single hand (with no proof) as you quit this endeavor all within a couple hours of starting it. The irony is that that will likely exceed the expectations anyone else would have about any work you would do.

If and when you decide to lie about the other whopping 29 hands at least try to make those lies more interesting.

All the best.

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05-15-2018 , 02:40 PM

#84298

jungmit

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Originally Posted by Monteroy

I was thinking about recording them. Not sure I want to tho. Seems like alot of work for mostly nothing . Even it showed aa vs kk every day over 100 hands it would basically be for nothing

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05-15-2018 , 02:48 PM

#84299

Monteroy

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Nobody ever expected you to actually do any work, regardless of how many prop bets you offer about it. You never do real work on this topic, and never will. As such, my suggestion is that you lie in a fun way, given that you lie all the time anyway.

For instance say that one time three handed it was AA vs AA vs AA, and maybe dig up the old 5 aces fake screenshot to show how what you saw was even worse. That type of thing instead of the standard nobody cares hands you claim happened with no proof in an attempt to prove a rig that makes the site no money.

All the best.