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View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
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03-07-2018 , 03:39 AM
tthnric, but any more circular debate/conversation with or attempted tuition of pkdk certainly has. It's hard to call it a debate when he provides no sensible argument to support his side and relies on simply repeating his same few misunderstood concepts, over and over again.

As you or someone mentioned earlier, he has zero understanding of basic level one mathematics, and as he is more stubborn than a mule to even try to understand or read the simple and complete explanations provided as to why he is wrong, it's impossible to progress any further with him.

Let's please all move on and let him live in his own world where, almost unbelievably, he thinks that choosing heads or tails from coin flips can yield anything but 50%/50%, 1/2, or even 2/4 results in any random situation whatsoever.

Thanks, everyone, for giving your best shot, but I'm pulling the plug from here on in as my irritation with him really is giving me a headache.

(Note to other mods: let me know if you want all posts moved to its own thread in your forum.)

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Edit: whosnext has asked to have all relevant posts moved to Probability. This will be done asap.

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Edit: All posts by pkdk and responses thereto have been moved to Probability Forum: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...tally-1706112/

Last edited by Mike Haven; 03-07-2018 at 05:23 AM.
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03-07-2018 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Edit: All posts by pkdk and responses thereto have been moved to Probability Forum: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...tally-1706112/
In a way that's a bit of a shame, as that back and forth was comedy gold.

pkdk is now lost in partition space with a probability of 1/?
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03-07-2018 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Wiki
In a way that's a bit of a shame, as that back and forth was comedy gold.

pkdk is now lost in partition space with a probability of 1/?
I dunno. Posters came here from all corners of the forums to try to get him to tell us something. Anything. Maybe they'll follow him to Prob? It's a ?/4 chance, at least.
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03-07-2018 , 03:50 PM
he gonna fk up online poker
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03-07-2018 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
he gonna fk up online poker
True. I'm considering shooting myself, so that would remove one loser from the deck.
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03-13-2018 , 02:13 AM
Crickets over here since everyone moved to probability....

Here's a question: other than the superusers back at UB, and an instance where an RNG was exploited by players to predict the cards, has there ever been a confirmed case of an online poker site manipulating the cards?

I can't think of how that would even be possible. Let alone the question of why....
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03-13-2018 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Last Laugh
Crickets over here since everyone moved to probability....

Here's a question: other than the superusers back at UB, and an instance where an RNG was exploited by players to predict the cards, has there ever been a confirmed case of an online poker site manipulating the cards?

I can't think of how that would even be possible. Let alone the question of why....
There was never an RNG known to have been exploited by players. The Planet Poker discovery was done in a test lab and then fixed right away. It was like 20 years ago before RNGs got better.
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03-13-2018 , 04:14 PM
Ah, okay. I just had a vague memory of the possibility of exploiting an RNG back in the day.

But no confirmed rigs, not a single one, right? Seems like if it was actually possible and profitable, with all the random poker sites over the years, someone surely would try it and then of course we'd eventually find out since people are terrible at keeping secrets.
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03-15-2018 , 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Last Laugh
Ah, okay. I just had a vague memory of the possibility of exploiting an RNG back in the day.

But no confirmed rigs, not a single one, right? Seems like if it was actually possible and profitable, with all the random poker sites over the years, someone surely would try it and then of course we'd eventually find out since people are terrible at keeping secrets.
It's certainly possible, although you would not 'rig' the RNG (getting what you wanted by doing that would be nigh on impossible), you'd simply ignore it.

It's vaguely possible that you could make a minuscule increase in profitability, but compared to the risks when there are so many vastly easier and more profitable ways to shaft your customers, no one is even going to consider it.
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03-15-2018 , 08:01 PM
Seems it would be easier to operate colluding bot rings using stolen social identities and VPNs. Chip dump to the guy who has the legit credentials so he can profit. Rinse and repeat to earn a decent living.
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03-17-2018 , 10:13 PM
In the 4-5 months I've been playing on Global Poker, I've actually had success playing poker online!!!! Outside of a handful of cashouts elsewhere, this flies in the face of 14 years of losing online. I should and mostly do know I've avoided my usual pitfalls/bad habits and am just enjoying a good stretch, but deep in my heart I KNEW I WAS GOOD! F THOSE OTHER SHADY SITES!! Either the mind is a funny place or, you know, RIGGED! You decide.
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03-19-2018 , 12:55 AM
Great job, finally improving your game after 14 years, and winning back all those monies.

O wait, so it was those evil sites fault you lost for 14 years ?
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03-19-2018 , 12:58 AM
No it was his brains fault cuz the brain is rigged
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03-19-2018 , 01:32 AM
Not rigged,software client technology is too great nowdays !
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03-19-2018 , 01:40 AM
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Not rigged,software client technology is too great nowdays !
Yes, but do we even have free will?
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03-20-2018 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by 24our
Yes, but do we even have free will?
free will is everything friend
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03-20-2018 , 02:29 AM
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free will is everything friend
The perception and belief in free will, perhaps.
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03-20-2018 , 04:04 PM
Here is my 2 cents into the whole rigged debate. Why is it everytime, and I mean everytime, I open a new account and deposit I run like god. I can not lose. Same thing happens when I'm gone from a site for awhile and then redeposit, I run like God to the point that I feel bad. I can't miss a flop and I always get there. I turn 100 bucks into a grand in a week, then boom back to the normal world. This has happened more than a dozens times over the last 2 years. I even opened an account in my wife's name on acr to see and sure enough a heater and good times in sued. Riddle me that batman?
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03-20-2018 , 04:06 PM
Yet you never cash out when you reach 1k after more than a dozen times. Do you continue to play out of charity or something like that, knowing you're going to lose it?
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03-20-2018 , 04:58 PM
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I even opened an account in my wife's name on acr to see and sure enough a heater and good times in sued.
WPN has like a dozen skins but you chose to multi-account this way instead, lol.
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03-20-2018 , 09:33 PM
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Yet you never cash out when you reach 1k after more than a dozen times. Do you continue to play out of charity or something like that, knowing you're going to lose it?
Are you assuming I don't cash out some?

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WPN has like a dozen skins but you chose to multi-account this way instead, lol.
Do they have more than a dozen? Do you assume as well?

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03-21-2018 , 03:05 PM
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Are you assuming I don't cash out some?
People don't usually come in here whining about winning too much.
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Do they have more than a dozen? Do you assume as well?
It's not exactly a huge leap to assume that you didn't sign up for every possible WPN skin before using your wife's info. A thousand pardons if you did.
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03-21-2018 , 03:09 PM
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Are you assuming I don't cash out some?
Well yes, else you wouldn't be crying here about losing it back. Can't lose it if you cash out you know. Or are you saying you're winning and also whining?
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03-21-2018 , 06:08 PM
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Well yes, else you wouldn't be crying here about losing it back. Can't lose it if you cash out you know. Or are you saying you're winning and also whining?
Who was crying, I was just wondering if anyone had an opinion on why this happens. You guys come from a different world, not everyone is whining or ******ed even if they post something here. You both are a couple of asses. Lol I love poker players, there all smarter than everyone and/or vitctims. I guess all poker players are millenials now? I should just start assuming everyone's an idiot from now on, got to keep up with the times!
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03-21-2018 , 06:51 PM
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Who was crying, I was just wondering if anyone had an opinion on why this happens.
It does not. If it did then as has been suggested - you can simply create new accounts over and over in your sister/brother/dogs/cats etc name and make a quick grand each time with the new player rungood.


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lol I love poker players, there all smarter than everyone and/or vitctims. I guess all poker players are millenials now?
You are probably the only poker player in that discussion, so you kind of have a weird way of debating points. Perhaps your wife should post for you in future.


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I should just start assuming everyone's an idiot from now on, got to keep up with the times!
I assume that with riggies, especially ones who say they have a very easy way to make $1,000/week over and over exploiting a rig, yet they never actually do it.

Hint, when you choose to make 50,000+ a year exploiting this new player boomswitch (or a bit less, just pay friends and family a small cut to create accounts that you fund since as a new player they cannot lose) - do it without drawing so much attention to yourself! You can even expand by teaching others how to do it and get a cut of their action as they gnome it up. Create a version of Amway with you at the top of your personal pyramid. Get a fancy crown to wear when you do that. 6 figures per year exploiting the rig awaits you, even if you are a whiny millenial poker player, or whatever. Less talk, and more money! Stop hating money. The onlt flaw will be if your rig theory is incorrect, but that reality represents no downside to me, so go for it!

All the best.
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