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01-17-2018 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JDVegas
Kemi, I'm losing in astounding manner. My big hands rarely, if ever hold up, and it continually happens, and they don't hold up against the same players, over, and over.

Anyways, so they try to send me a hand history. I say,

"No, What I want is my hand history, and my win/loss history against specific players. I also want to know how many times I've been drawn out on in hands where I've been ahead."

They refuse to provide me with either of those things, citing:

"We can not divulge other players information."

WSOP.com actually does not save hand histories themselves. They are incapable of sending them to you. They can send you your game history or whatever they call it, but it doesn't show your opponents and doesn't show the action; it just shows the session ID, the hand number, the amount you wagered and the amount you won/lost.

However, there is an option in settings in the client to save your hand histories to your hard drive as you play. So you should go check that box and then your hand histories will be automatically saved to wherever on your hard drive you designate.



EDIT:

The above is assuming you are playing WSOP.com in New Jersey. If you are playing in Nevada I think that there is no option to get or save hand histories (I'm not 100% on this, but I am pretty sure). I believe this is because Nevada law has been interpreted to make HUDs illegal and the way sites try to prevent HUDs seems to be by not providing hand histories.

Last edited by Lego05; 01-17-2018 at 01:30 PM.
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01-17-2018 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by KemiKings
I got dealt a bad hand on stars last night. I had KQ diamonds and called a fairly large raise pre flop raise (my first mistake). Three of us to the flop. Flop is all diamonds, I have the second nuts. First player makes a large bet, second player calls, I then go all in (my second mistake). They both call. Player one has pocket aces with the ace of diamonds, other player has a set of eights. Turn card pairs the board so the set become a full house, then the river comes an Ace and the pocket aces guy makes a higher full house.

RIGGED

Would it still be rigged if you were the one holding the aces in this hand ?
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01-18-2018 , 11:51 AM
Can someone set me straight/point out a good thread on variance for me? At the site I play on, I'm down around $11000 in EV according to HM2 over 100,000 hands playing mostly .25/.50 to .50/.100, with some higher stakes mixed in. I just need a good thread analysis of how likely this is. Thankks
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01-18-2018 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman
Can someone set me straight/point out a good thread on variance for me? At the site I play on, I'm down around $11000 in EV according to HM2 over 100,000 hands playing mostly .25/.50 to .50/.100, with some higher stakes mixed in. I just need a good thread analysis of how likely this is. Thankks

If you're serious, this is a good one I know of. http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp...read&id=206342
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01-19-2018 , 12:48 AM
I like global poker rng btw/ I like the merge rng too. But ACR... If you guys want some serious conspiracy theories look at global poker front page. It has the guy throwing the 2 aces look behind him. That is a hypnosis picture to hypnotize you into playing poker. ESPN / NEWS etc all use circular backgrounds to hypnotize you or brain wash you without you knowing it. I read books on hypnosis and I think Phil Ivey does it with his eyes on da table. He tell you with his eyes what to do. Its not a read he telling you fold dat hand or die son with dem scary eyes. Why he dont wear glasses. He melted Lex after he went all in with that 52o Lex couldn't even look at him. Global poker guy too his eyes are hypnotizing. The best is Dwan though. I love when he rolls his eyes after someone makes a bad call. Id be so tilted if he did that to me. all part of that sick psychological mad scientist plan they have with dem eyes. The eyes chico, they never lie.
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01-19-2018 , 06:47 AM
Also the eyes tell you whether someone is a reptilian or not.
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01-19-2018 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by alex20823
If you're serious, this is a good one I know of. http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp...read&id=206342
Thank You Alex, I was serious. Its just strange, when I play live, I win 8 out of ten times, online I've played over 110,000 hands, should be about even according to HM2 EV but am down about $11000. Is the answer really live play is so much more profitable?
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01-19-2018 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by spaceman
Its just strange, when I play live, I win 8 out of ten times, online I've played over 110,000 hands, should be about even according to HM2 EV but am down about $11000. Is the answer really live play is so much more profitable?
To encounter a similarly skilled field, you need to drop down to about 1/10th of your live stakes when you play online. There are many reasons for this that have been discussed countless times before.
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01-20-2018 , 10:30 AM
Monty, who spends his whole on line life in one thread recycling the same old insults or claims people are too uninportant to remember, accuses others of lack of personal growth!
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01-20-2018 , 11:37 AM
I don't bother remembering each stalker individually, since you all behave in the same way and use the same recycled insults/exaggerations, long after being verbally dispatched by me sometime in the distant past in this meaningless thread.

People like you never matter, so we will likely see you again (though I will certainly not remember you) in a few months/years, when something in your life triggers another venting spewpost from you here. After a minimal amount of back and forth where you bust out the standard "Hyperbole for Dummies" personal attacks, you will again vanish into the void. You and your kind have done it before, and it is in your DNA to do it again (sadly without ever using creative content when you do).

All the best.
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01-20-2018 , 01:52 PM
Self proclaimed king the riggie forum should start a list of all the stalkers he cant remember.

All the best!
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01-20-2018 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by jjjou812
Self proclaimed king the riggie forum should start a list of all the stalkers he cant remember.

All the best!

Aren't you basically stalking him ? By your own logic and allegations, you're stalking the stalker.
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01-20-2018 , 02:44 PM
Don't think that throwaway rando called me a stalker, rather he very proudly proclaimed (without irony or awareness) that I constantly make self proclamations of royalty that in reality never happened nor will happen, because unlike him, I realize nothing said in this thread (by anyone, including me) matters.

Guys like him come back years later to continue some meaningless back and forth they lost years ago, and are surprised that they are told they are not remembered. Use that when trying to dissect his "logic" in the future. Other than a couple dismissive, quick retorts when his stalking gene kicks in, just ignore him and respond to the fresh riggies, like the hypnotic flat earther.
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01-28-2018 , 05:31 AM
Stay away from Party is all I can say, unless you want to experience the worst swings on any pokersite.
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01-28-2018 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Since the beginning of November (68 days) I have posted in this thread about 30 times total (each usually taking 2 minutes or less like this one) on 9 or so different days. You can search to do the exact figures for yourself if interested.

However, I completely understand that according to riggie math that 5-10 minutes typing total per day every 4-5 days (for an average of under 1 post every 2 days) equals 24/7 every day. Riggies gonna riggie.
Oh no, no. Who are you trying to fool? It is obvious to anyone that you spend your whole day around these posts. You are constantly reviewing and improving that list of yours trying to make it hilarious and when you receive a notification regarding this thread you start drooling all over your phone like Pavlov's dog. Then you start investigating the new poster, you go through years and years of his posts in order to find a scratch that you can develop and expose. If you don't find it you just pretend you don't know or remember who they are and you proceed to discredit any theory they present in a way that only think is funny. You craft your '2 minutes' posts by walking around your room giggling and squeaking, rubbing your hands together then you write it. You reread it several times to be sure that you included all your insults and when you are satisfied you jerk off till you are left without cum, then you hit send. From then on it's a torment for you, you keep checking your phone and refresh the page like a maniac waiting for a reply, someone to acknowledge you, to agree with you, a new riggie, a post that could lead to you displaying your biggest achievement, the list.
You read the post that made you reply, then you read your reply, again and again and again. You are proud of yourself, you laugh loudly, 2p2 is so lucky to have you here.
This thread is the only place where you can feel superior you pathetic creature. You go to sleep thinking about it and wake up for it, day after day and year after year.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
As well, if you want some riggie inspiration (whether you are paranoid as presented or just a weird, uninspiring semi troll) just ask and I will post a nice list of riggies.
Begging to someone to ask for it.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
If you want to see the riggie list, just ask - you are even a donk at being a riggie/troll.
Just pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Anyway, last chance for you to ask for the riggie list (you would enjoy it)
Wiggling you tail with sad eyes at this point.

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Originally Posted by KemiKings
Whats the riggie list?
HALLELUJAH

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Glad that you asked.
And let's not forget the riggie commandments...

You are probably the saddest person I have seen on a forum.

Now go check my previous posts, I am the one that invited you to suck my balls and I will gladly do it again.

All the best
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01-28-2018 , 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Since the beginning of November (68 days) I have posted in this thread about 30 times total (each usually taking 2 minutes or less like this one) on 9 or so different days. You can search to do the exact figures for yourself if interested.

However, I completely understand that according to riggie math that 5-10 minutes typing total per day every 4-5 days (for an average of under 1 post every 2 days) equals 24/7 every day. Riggies gonna riggie.
Oh no, no. Who are you trying to fool? It is obvious to anyone that you spend your whole day around these posts. You are constantly reviewing and improving that list of yours trying to make it hilarious and when you receive a notification regarding this thread you start drooling all over your phone like Pavlov's dog. Then you start investigating the new poster, you go through years and years of his posts in order to find a scratch that you can develop and expose. If you don't find it you just pretend you don't know or remember who they are and you proceed to discredit any theory they present in a way that only you think is funny. You craft your '2 minutes' posts by walking around your room giggling and squeaking, rubbing your hands together then you write it. You reread it several times to be sure that you included all your insults and when you are satisfied you jerk off till you are left without cum, then you hit send. From then on it's a torment for you, you keep checking your phone and refresh the page like a maniac waiting for a reply, someone to acknowledge you, to agree with you, a new riggie, a post that could lead to you displaying your biggest achievement, the list.
You read the post that made you reply, then you read your reply, again and again and again. You are proud of yourself, you laugh loudly, 2p2 is so lucky to have you here.
This thread is the only place where you can feel superior you pathetic creature. You go to sleep thinking about it and wake up for it, day after day and year after year.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
As well, if you want some riggie inspiration (whether you are paranoid as presented or just a weird, uninspiring semi troll) just ask and I will post a nice list of riggies.
Begging for someone to ask for it.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
If you want to see the riggie list, just ask - you are even a donk at being a riggie/troll.
Just pathetic.

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Anyway, last chance for you to ask for the riggie list (you would enjoy it)
Wiggling you tail with sad eyes at this point.

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Originally Posted by KemiKings
Whats the riggie list?
HALLELUJAH

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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Glad that you asked.
And let's not forget the riggie commandments...

You are probably the saddest person I have seen on a forum.

Now go check my previous posts, I am the one that invited you to suck my balls and I will gladly do it again.

All the best
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01-28-2018 , 01:04 PM
johnnysnow I want to make fun of you but I feel like I need to know for sure you aren't special or anything.
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01-28-2018 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
Oh no, no. Who are you trying to fool? It is obvious to anyone that you spend your whole day around these posts. You are constantly reviewing and improving that list of yours trying to make it hilarious and when you receive a notification regarding this thread you start drooling all over your phone like Pavlov's dog. Then you start investigating the new poster, you go through years and years of his posts in order to find a scratch that you can develop and expose. If you don't find it you just pretend you don't know or remember who they are and you proceed to discredit any theory they present in a way that only you think is funny. You craft your '2 minutes' posts by walking around your room giggling and squeaking, rubbing your hands together then you write it. You reread it several times to be sure that you included all your insults and when you are satisfied you jerk off till you are left without cum, then you hit send. From then on it's a torment for you, you keep checking your phone and refresh the page like a maniac waiting for a reply, someone to acknowledge you, to agree with you, a new riggie, a post that could lead to you displaying your biggest achievement, the list.
You read the post that made you reply, then you read your reply, again and again and again. You are proud of yourself, you laugh loudly, 2p2 is so lucky to have you here.
This thread is the only place where you can feel superior you pathetic creature. You go to sleep thinking about it and wake up for it, day after day and year after year.
Hopefully this is very tongue-in-cheek - if so, not bad. If not...IDK what to think. Projection?

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Originally Posted by johnnysnow
Begging for someone to ask for it.



Just pathetic.



Wiggling you tail with sad eyes at this point.



HALLELUJAH



And let's not forget the riggie commandments...

You are probably the saddest person I have seen on a forum.

Now go check my previous posts, I am the one that invited you to suck my balls and I will gladly do it again.

All the best
This, however, is definitely well done. Monty is sort of silly with that riggie list sometimes, and that sequence is pretty sad.
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01-28-2018 , 05:19 PM
I admit that I never thought I would see you say "well done" to a person who excitedly posted "go check my previous posts, I am the one that invited you to suck my balls and I will gladly do it again." Hopefully this compliment of yours is tongue-in-cheek as opposed to...

Anyway, the list is a pretty obvious troll, but some of the riggies genuinely enjoy it. It gets posted about twice a year (maybe) and last year had maybe 5 or 6 additions to it (20 seconds each with cut/paste/save)- so you know - 2-3 minutes = 24/7 365 days a year monitoring/maintenance as per riggie math.

Speaking of riggie math, since they say things happen in threes, I guess this is the third and likely last stalker riggie from the void in January following the "I caused Black Friday" guy and that other one who then self banned after our interaction, likely due to a new nervous breakdown. Hopefully February will see a fresh crop of riggies with some fun theories instead of weird retread January doldrum crop so far this year.
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01-28-2018 , 05:22 PM
How 'bout everyone here trying to cover up the fact that THE EARTH IS FLAT? All this nonsense about online poker being rigged is distracting from the true matter. THEY LIE TO US ABOUT THE ROUND EARTH!!! OPEN YOUR EYES
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01-29-2018 , 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
How 'bout everyone here trying to cover up the fact that THE EARTH IS FLAT? All this nonsense about online poker being rigged is distracting from the true matter. THEY LIE TO US ABOUT THE ROUND EARTH!!! OPEN YOUR EYES
Nice to see people waking up to this..
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01-29-2018 , 07:51 AM
this site is just the worst of the european sites, bots ultra donks and players of the staffs site ultra rigged, site to absolutely avoid BEWARE!
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01-29-2018 , 10:40 AM
^^^
I disagree as moved all my play from PStars and 888 because I found just the opposite of what you note. You sound like a loser who calls all-ins with gutshots and did not suck out. "Sad."
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01-30-2018 , 01:22 AM
Want to know something else that's fake? High Stakes Poker cash games on tv. None of them have real money at risk, it's just play chips, all for show. Pretend poker.
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01-30-2018 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by KemiKings
Want to know something else that's fake? High Stakes Poker cash games on tv. None of them have real money at risk, it's just play chips, all for show. Pretend poker.
How does that prove that the earth is round when it is in fact FLAT?
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