Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition
View Poll Results: Is Online Poker Rigged?
Yes
3,502 34.89%
No
5,607 55.86%
Undecided
929 9.25%

01-03-2018 , 01:32 PM
Rocky, hello there. Good to have another riggy on the thread. It's clear to me that anyone playing online poker is at risk of having their hole cards viewed by a third party. This is one of the reasons why the high stakes tables are now deserted. It's still possible to win online by exploiting the weaker players but probably safer just to play the low stakes.

https://www.cardschat.com/news/a-loo...-in-2016-31589

https://cardplayerlifestyle.com/cybe...-online-poker/

"It is important to emphasize that it’s not only people with permitted access to the online poker room servers who are able to cheat. Skilled computer criminals may in principle be able to gain unauthorized access to servers in order to have the ability to look at players’ hole cards. Thus, in principle, even if internal company security is airtight, a devious computer criminal with malicious intentions may be able to penetrate the software from the outside."

"The same thing happened when Russ Hamilton, a consultant to Ultimate Bet, was able to use a “super user” account in order to view other players’ hole cards while playing against them. He was able to do so for 4 years and steal over $15,000,000 before finally getting caught – yet Hamilton was never formally charged with regards to this incident."

Stole $15 million and never charged with any crime, that's ridiculous.

"The above incident illustrates one of the most important principals in the cyber security world: there is no such thing as closed software, hidden algorithms, or hidden protocols. Once a hacker decides to try and tamper with software, all he needs is time and a computer to try and find ways to exploit flaws. Every online poker room’s software has its own proprietary protocol and many potential flaws could be found in each. Reverse engineering the software and the protocol is not a hard task for a competent computer criminal. If a hacker were to be able to detect even one flaw, it could probably be exploited for a long period of time without being detected."

Two ways you can be breached. A hacker can get into the system and view everyone's hole card's and the gaming company themselves can view everyone's hole cards if they wish to. Doesn't seem very safe.

https://www.hackread.com/screenshot-...poker-players/

Last edited by Mike Haven; 01-04-2018 at 04:05 AM. Reason: 3 posts merged
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-03-2018 , 02:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GOT TO WINN
Someone else being able to control your computer / can see what you are doing on it can be done through remote access which is what sounds like the dell employee that was helping you did to help you with the issue you were having ( which is a common use for remote access ).

Which means they can not only see your whole cards when you are playing but can see absolutely everything you are doing on your computer in real time if you don't fix your settings to either turn off remote access / remove the hardware downloaded that allowed it in the first place they will forever be able to "spy" on your activity.

None of this is an issue of a poker site.
You missed the point. Yes, remote access. I'm not on conspiracy kicks, but you can turn that button off and have the greatest anti virus program and they can still get in.
But not the point

This was merely a spiking the football post on your operators. Just wanted to let them know that those billions of dollars per year, that you no longer have access to in the United States, is because of me.

One of my last posts right before the may 1 raid, said, "so now the US Govt has the names and information, ip addresses ect of all their players...?" (Late april of 2011)

Quote:
Originally Posted by tk1133

Still don't get it do you?

No matter what you say, post, or think about online poker, there is nothing you can or will do about it.
So come on over to the rigged thread with the General and put forth hours into your posts that translate to what I post....

In other words, all of you "online poker saviors" do nothing but whine and complain. You're all talk. Bunch of weekend warriors with no ambition. I bet most of you as children, some adults, cried when you dropped your ice cream cones and believed that it was an emotional display of disapointment that got your ice cream replaced. In reality, it was the person with the money that got you another cone. The one that took action, the one who was capable.

I'm not sure what the issue is. Maybe for some of you:
-Nobody liked you, so no one ever bought you an ice cream cone to drop.
a.)Amounts to a modern Holden Caulfield
b.)often lashes out about life being unfair.
c.)These people are usually multi-accounters
d.)Constantly bounces E-check deposits.


-Maybe you grew up poor, food stamps wouldn't cover Ice Cream sold in the projects, so if you dropped it, you were SOL.
a.)these people usually practice proper bankroll management.
b.)instead of blaming the ice cream store(Poker site) they blame the Government for not adding Dairy Queen to their options, everybody is out to get them.
c.)These people are usually multi-accounters
d.)Constantly bounces E-check deposits.

Either way, its pathetic and nobody cares. Talk is cheap. We want to hear about action.

So lets get back on topic.

Continue crying and playing your violins, at the end of the day, you did nothing and do nothing. Nobody will ever read/review this thread. So like the saying goes, if a tree falls in the woods, and nobody's there to hear it, did it make a sound?
So A+ for all the hard work the "rigtards" have put forth in foiling Stiverson's dirty online poker deeds. You guys sent the Super Users and Rogue Employees running for cover. Online Poker-land is now peaceful and glorious because of each and everyone of you!

I will continue to do something worth while:
Expose the Reptilian Humanoids and their online poker ventures.

And all of you will still be spineless, ball-less, Johnny-Come-Lately's and Johnny-Do-Nothings...

I guess that post fired you guys up?

The date on this post was 4/8/2011 btw.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 01-04-2018 at 04:07 AM. Reason: 2 posts merged
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-03-2018 , 02:42 PM
Not to destroy the delusions of grandeur you clearly have clearly obsessed about for many years, but odds are the investigations that took place before Black Friday started well before you did any random nobody read it/ cared about it post (except you) a week before the event.

Amusing you think an entire operation sprung to life because a rando nutjob posted something on the internet, but given that you are talking like this nearly a decade later shows that it consumes you, so at this point I guess enjoy it.

Try to bring down Trump next with an internet post on a forum.

All the best.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-03-2018 , 02:52 PM
One of the most plausible scenarios is this...

A hacker gains unauthorised access to the servers of the poker room. He is then able to see hole cards. He then relays this information to his buddy, who is playing one or many tables, as high stakes as possible presumably. This buddy of the hacker also knows a bit about poker and understands the game. He is then able to win but does it in a way so as not to arouse too much suspicion. He even takes time to think about his calls/bets etc to make it seem like hes not cheating. Also he will deliberately lose some hands to try and cover his tracks.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-03-2018 , 02:53 PM
Really?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tk1133
There's actually a list you can see here

https://www.cia.gov/index.html
See pg. 1111.
Monteroy, i see your still here after 8 years? Life must be good.

Last edited by Mike Haven; 01-04-2018 at 04:28 AM. Reason: 2 posts merged
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-03-2018 , 02:56 PM
I've seen rigtards go bat**** crazy before but this is a whole new level.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-03-2018 , 02:59 PM
feels like some mk ultra stuff going down itt.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-03-2018 , 03:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyV
See pg. 1111.
Monteroy, i see your still here after 8 years? Life must be good.
As I said, I do not click links of crazy people.

Not really sure what to tell you, if you want to believe you did everything then go for it. Nobody else believes it and it is not true in reality, but given you are still this bugeyedcrazy about this nearly 7 years later - honestly you are too far out there to even have fun with, and that is rare in this thread.

I am doing quite well in this industry. If I was not involved with it any more I would not be here. You should consider moving on and salvaging whats left with your life, although truth be told its not of much concern to me.

All the best.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-03-2018 , 03:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KemiKings
Rocky, hello there. Good to have another riggy on the thread. It's clear to me that anyone playing online poker is at risk of having their hole cards viewed by a third party. This is one of the reasons why the high stakes tables are now deserted. It's still possible to win online by exploiting the weaker players but probably safer just to play the low stakes.
Hey, next time your playing, just fire up either the CIA website, or MI6. Go to submit comments or tips link form. Leave it open, dont send anything or submit. And play on. They can also see whos in your computer(if somebody is) you wpuldnt hear about it, but those guys might disappear.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-03-2018 , 04:05 PM
See how Trump and Bannon are fighting now? That was because of my post in a riggie thread. Your world is fun to visit (briefly).

All the best.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-03-2018 , 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KemiKings
It's clear to me that anyone playing online poker is at risk of having their hole cards viewed by a third party.
How is this clear to you?

Quote:
Originally Posted by KemiKings
This is one of the reasons why the high stakes tables are now deserted.
First time I've heard that - where did you get that information?

Quote:
Originally Posted by KemiKings
It's still possible to win online by exploiting the weaker players but probably safer just to play the low stakes.
Oh, that's good to know. How did you determine that?

Quote:
Originally Posted by KemiKings
https://www.cardschat.com/news/a-loo...-in-2016-31589

https://cardplayerlifestyle.com/cybe...-online-poker/

"It is important to emphasize that it’s not only people with permitted access to the online poker room servers who are able to cheat. Skilled computer criminals may in principle be able to gain unauthorized access to servers in order to have the ability to look at players’ hole cards. Thus, in principle, even if internal company security is airtight, a devious computer criminal with malicious intentions may be able to penetrate the software from the outside."

"The same thing happened when Russ Hamilton, a consultant to Ultimate Bet, was able to use a “super user” account in order to view other players’ hole cards while playing against them. He was able to do so for 4 years and steal over $15,000,000 before finally getting caught – yet Hamilton was never formally charged with regards to this incident."

Stole $15 million and never charged with any crime, that's ridiculous.

"The above incident illustrates one of the most important principals in the cyber security world: there is no such thing as closed software, hidden algorithms, or hidden protocols. Once a hacker decides to try and tamper with software, all he needs is time and a computer to try and find ways to exploit flaws. Every online poker room’s software has its own proprietary protocol and many potential flaws could be found in each. Reverse engineering the software and the protocol is not a hard task for a competent computer criminal. If a hacker were to be able to detect even one flaw, it could probably be exploited for a long period of time without being detected."
Quote:
Originally Posted by KemiKings
Two ways you can be breached. A hacker can get into the system and view everyone's hole card's and the gaming company themselves can view everyone's hole cards if they wish to. Doesn't seem very safe.

https://www.hackread.com/screenshot-...poker-players/
Thanks for the links to topics that have been thoroughly discussed on our forums before. In fact, the AP/UB super user scandal was uncovered here on 2+2. But you should know, that was only possible because that poker site had super user access in their poker software - something that is not needed, and hopefully other sites learned from that mistake.

Of course, all of this isn't relevant to the topic of this thread anyway.

Quote:
Originally Posted by KemiKings
One of the most plausible scenarios is this...

A hacker gains unauthorised access to the servers of the poker room. He is then able to see hole cards. He then relays this information to his buddy, who is playing one or many tables, as high stakes as possible presumably. This buddy of the hacker also knows a bit about poker and understands the game. He is then able to win but does it in a way so as not to arouse too much suspicion. He even takes time to think about his calls/bets etc to make it seem like hes not cheating. Also he will deliberately lose some hands to try and cover his tracks.
This is "most plausible"??? LOL.

But hey, while we're just throwing theories out there:

One of the most plausible scenarios is this...

A dealer already has access to all of the cards in a live poker room. He is then able to see and even manipulate the hole cards. He then relays this information to his buddy, who is playing on the table, as high stakes as possible presumably. This buddy of the dealer also knows a bit about poker and understands the game. He is then able to win but does it in a way so as not to arouse too much suspicion. He even takes time to think about his calls/bets etc to make it seem like hes not cheating. Also he will deliberately lose some hands to try and cover his tracks.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyV
Really?
Yes, he really can just dream up some scenario and post about it. So can I. Is that actually surprising to you?

Or perhaps I misunderstand, and you are as perplexed as I that he thought that was one of the most plausible scenarios.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-06-2018 , 04:19 AM
You know, when I'm playing poker and I have people limping then reraising after i limp call and face a raise by some who just limped after getting raised by a huge amount and then the Original Raiser Jams with AA and gets Snap Called by K7o and the board pans out 7d 4c 2c 7h ks, I get a little weary.

I shrug it off, but litterally my AA all-ins and my KK all-ins have not even won me the hand but maybe 25% of the time. This is from a 3 month history on this.

I'll be dealt AA, KK, QQ to say and I will make the right decision to play passivly against an agressive player or Agressivly against a loose player, but by the end of the hand my ACEs like 75% of the time get beat out by some stupid off suit junk hand such as J4o or some kind of lower pocket pair landing a set.

No, I am not delusional, and yes these run-outs are just ridiculous. I understand yes, when you have the best hand and you dominate a hand there will be times when you get unlucky, but it's ridiculous when my tournament life comes to an end when I'm in 5th Place and i have 2nd place to my right, Bets 10bb(out of 30) with 105s and I have qq Jam all in and OR Snap Calls and flops the flush, and mind you I had a Queen spade blocker.

I get it, you get unlucky sometimes, but i see people win this **** with the stupidest **** and if this is what poker is, i want no part.

I use all this to my advantage;
-Reading Opponets
-Value Betting when I know I Can
-Board Textures
-Isolation Raising

It just gets a little ridiculous;

So far, the following sites I've seen this on;
-ACR Online
-Bet Online
-Global Poker

I'm not accusing the companies being responsible for this, but some fishy **** goes on and it's not me.

I play tactically. So idk maybe poker isn't meant for me, but it's just kind of ridiculous.

Rant Over.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-06-2018 , 05:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeus_Poker
You know, when I'm playing poker and I have people limping then reraising after i limp call and face a raise by some who just limped
You should post a hand history of this happening.

All the best.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-07-2018 , 03:24 AM
Oh God. Kemi Kings and Rocky. Montyroy is back to creating ficticious characters and having dilogues with them. I feel like i’m watching the riggie threads version of Shutter Island meets Fight Club. Can someone get Monteroy an official 10 years and 3 decades timer a riggie thread poster club jacket. That’s an exclusive club! Even Mickey Mouse is envious.

Here’s to 10 more Monty!
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-07-2018 , 07:06 AM
Don't forget about the fictional character who gets raised by a limper after he also limp/calls, and the best one who does the semi-stalking routine while using every one of his posts to whine about the rooms and other people in the industry due to his own lack of success and limitations as a human. Hint, his user name rhymes with *ZOMP, and odds are he will not be around in 10 years, unless he mimics the guy who visited from the void while drunk to claim that he alone caused Black Friday before vanishing again.

Cliffs: People like you remember/obsess about me. Nobody will remember you.

All the best.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-07-2018 , 01:07 PM
There's not a lot of choice of places to play these days. It's either play the bots on party poker or get jiggy with mr riggy at pokerstars.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-07-2018 , 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KemiKings
There's not a lot of choice of places to play these days. It's either play the bots on party poker or get jiggy with mr riggy at pokerstars.
So Party is not rigged and Pokerstars has no bots ?

While I don't agree with your belief that Pokerstars are juggling with Mr. Riggy, it may surprise you to find out that there are plenty of bots at Stars too!

So, if there are bots at Stars and at Party, but at Stars you have to go "jiggy with Mr. Riggy", we conclude that the best place to play at is ... ?
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-07-2018 , 03:45 PM
Yes, stars has bots too, so does ipoker and 888. I haven't tried unibet or microgaming yet.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-07-2018 , 06:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy
I am sure all of that sounded sane in your head when you typed it, so much so that you posted it twice. One can only imagine how many sticky notes you have on your wall connected with red string.

Anyway, my point stands - you chose the worst Rocky movie as a gimmick account name, however you will be relieved to know that I did not notify the CIA of this poor choice of yours. Lizard People Overlords are of course a different story...

All the best.


P.S. I never click links posted by crazy people, though not out of fear of CIA investigations (or whatever your babble was about) - just common sense safe internet use.
3 years later and your still spending evety day arguing on this thread against people you think are total idiots? You really have nothing better to do with your time? lolz.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-07-2018 , 07:01 PM
Since the beginning of November (68 days) I have posted in this thread about 30 times total (each usually taking 2 minutes or less like this one) on 9 or so different days. You can search to do the exact figures for yourself if interested.

However, I completely understand that according to riggie math that 5-10 minutes typing total per day every 4-5 days (for an average of under 1 post every 2 days) equals 24/7 every day. Riggies gonna riggie.

Anyway, seems you no longer start your nano stakes Zoom threads, so likely you quit all forms of poker as you should have, and if so - nice to see some of your kind make the correct choice when you cannot compete.

All the best.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-08-2018 , 12:59 AM
I spend my time playing 50nl zone now. Much more productive that your line of work of spending years arguing with 'riggies' on a forum every day, but I guess if you can't win at poker that's the best you can achieve. I will stop by in another few years to say hello again. Lolz.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-08-2018 , 01:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Monteroy
5-10 minutes typing total per day every 4-5 days
Quote:
Originally Posted by mirage01
your line of work of spending years arguing with 'riggies' on a forum every day
Reading comprehension FTW.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-08-2018 , 07:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mirage01
I spend my time playing 50nl zone now. Much more productive that your line of work of spending years arguing with 'riggies' on a forum every day, but I guess if you can't win at poker that's the best you can achieve. I will stop by in another few years to say hello again. Lolz.
Wow, 50NL - quite impressive. If you constantly win at 4 BB/100 (unlikely) and play 10,000 hands a week (unlikely) every week, then you will earn yourself just over $10,000 each year with your "productive" career.

For now I will stick to backing many, many well coached, professional players who each do quite a bit better than that, while also (for my amusement) maintaining my 0.5-0.7 posts per day here (ie: 24/7 debating to a riggie).

See you in a few years, or more likely - not. Lolz.

All the best.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-08-2018 , 12:26 PM
I had a winning session on pokerstars last night, maybe its not rigged after all. Also been winning on party poker so can't complain really. Riggies gonna rig.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote
01-08-2018 , 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by KemiKings
I had a winning session on pokerstars last night, .
Great, now I think it's rigged.
The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition Quote

      
m