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12-07-2017 , 02:53 AM
Seeing, hearing and feeling is the best evidence you can have
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12-15-2017 , 02:26 PM
First of all I think this is a boring and dead beat topic because I disbelieve in “Rigged”. I think extensive run bad is the ultimate cooler and it can be exhausting for most.

Recently I have put some time into PokerStars play money. I buy 500k and play 1 500k spin and I ran one up to 750,000,000 (not first time). With ~500,000,000 I usually play 10,000,000 spins.
I lost to ~15% post flop in most my spins and down to 200,000,000.
I would just get it in crushing, I want to say a majority of the time. Where villain had ~3 outs or backdoor draws just hitting repeatedly.
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12-16-2017 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Fold every time you are dealt AA or KK on the first table. That will foil their evil plan, at minimal loss.



Perfect strategy.



Wait. So it's not true that you'll lose every time when you're dealt AA or KK on the first table?

As it's not true that you lose every time, your entire memory of the games played is probably not true either. You should use a tracker. (You'd be able to give some evidence of your imagined discovery, too.)



Let's say you have cashed out 10 times in 2 years. You probably didn't receive AA or KK on your first table more than once or twice. Losing them is not really a big deal.



It's a coincidence.

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Edit: Note to other shills: Pile on, guys. This guy has some damning evidence we need to quash.
Your all missing the point tho. He is not looking for a good strategy to minimise his losers with aces or kings, he is wondering why he loses with them after a cash out.
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12-16-2017 , 11:05 AM
He is left handed, that is why. There is an industry standard commonly referred to as the anti-leftist KK/AA stipulation.

Once he starts cashing out with his right hand his issues will go away. This is a very old topic, and pretty much all players have known this since 2008 or so.

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Originally Posted by Legman
First of all I think this is a boring and dead beat topic because I disbelieve in “Rigged”. I think extensive run bad is the ultimate cooler and it can be exhausting for most.

Recently I have put some time into PokerStars play money. I buy 500k and play 1 500k spin and I ran one up to 750,000,000 (not first time). With ~500,000,000 I usually play 10,000,000 spins.
I lost to ~15% post flop in most my spins and down to 200,000,000.
I would just get it in crushing, I want to say a majority of the time. Where villain had ~3 outs or backdoor draws just hitting repeatedly.
Move up where they pretend respect your play raises.

All the best.
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12-16-2017 , 07:16 PM
is anyone even still playing online poker? if so, i feel sorry for you.
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12-16-2017 , 09:16 PM
if YOU have to BUY your play money...you might be a redneck.
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12-17-2017 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy

Move up where they pretend respect your play raises.

All the best.
Bravo, went back to playing 2,500,000 spins and it’s so much more soft compared to the 10,000,000 and 50,000,000 spins.
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Originally Posted by ouinosino
is anyone even still playing online poker? if so, i feel sorry for you.
A lot of people do, but it keeps getting tougher.
If you’re in US I can see where you’re coming from as we are not included in the regulated international sites and obviously limited to everything else.
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Originally Posted by donk mcReetard
if YOU have to BUY your play money...you might be a redneck.
Reloading 12,500 chips every several hours is not ideal when you want to get into mid PM stakes. You can get up to 500,000 from 12,500 sure. After achieving the 500k if you put it all in on one game and bust then you’re back to the grind with one buy-in at the lowest stakes available.
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12-17-2017 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Legman
Bravo, went back to playing 2,500,000 spins and it’s so much more soft compared to the 10,000,000 and 50,000,000 spins.
Makes sense, the games get more reggy at the 10,000,000 level.

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Originally Posted by Legman
A lot of people do, but it keeps getting tougher.
If you’re in US I can see where you’re coming from as we are not included in the regulated international sites and obviously limited to everything else.

Reloading 12,500 chips every several hours is not ideal when you want to get into mid PM stakes. You can get up to 500,000 from 12,500 sure. After achieving the 500k if you put it all in on one game and bust then you’re back to the grind with one buy-in at the lowest stakes available.
The play money games passed him by, so he made the correct choice for himself, although I admit I never quite understand the "I pity all of you" line from someone who had to quit the industry due to an inability to compete, yet that person still lingers on the online poker message boards. Ironic, and a bit weird.

Anyway, better luck in your games!

All the best.
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12-19-2017 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by spadebidder
This is correct. The data on the site refers to Site A and Site B, which were those two sites. All the data was from those only. I forgot which was which.
Spadebidder is not accouting for the hackers that were viewing other people's hole cards via remote access. Doors left open by the poker site operators.
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12-19-2017 , 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyV
Spadebidder is not accouting for the hackers that were viewing other people's hole cards via remote access. Doors left open by the poker site operators.
If you have evidence of this, it would be worthy of a new thread. It certainly doesn't belong here.
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12-19-2017 , 02:52 AM
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If you have evidence of this, it would be worthy of a new thread. It certainly doesn't belong here.
Kinda old boring news for a new thread.
Evidence that the main operators were allowing Al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden, mainly his nosey courier, to run a super user scheme by remotely accessing computers and their displays, which was ultimately being used to fund terrorist operations, is also very difficult to prove.
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12-19-2017 , 02:57 AM
So it seems like you know this happened, yet difficult to prove. Like it always is. And you won't even attempt to either.
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12-19-2017 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
The play money games passed him by, so he made the correct choice for himself, although I admit I never quite understand the "I pity all of you" line from someone who had to quit the industry due to an inability to compete, yet that person still lingers on the online poker message boards. Ironic, and a bit weird.
Stake him, and get him some coaching! Just make sure he doesn't have a D issue!
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12-19-2017 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyV
Kinda old boring news for a new thread.
Evidence that the main operators were allowing Al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden, mainly his nosey courier, to run a super user scheme by remotely accessing computers and their displays, which was ultimately being used to fund terrorist operations, is also very difficult to prove.
Yeah, Osama Bin Laden also took down the 2007 WSOP. I told everyone that Jerry Yang was just a hologram but no one would believe me.

On a more serious note, you start your sentence with " Evidence that", where is the evidence that supports your accusations ?
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12-19-2017 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MR_UNOWEN
Stake him, and get him some coaching! Just make sure he doesn't have a D issue!
All our play money coaches are full at the moment having pretend group lessons.

This new gimmick account stinks, RockyV was the movie where some random named Tommy is the antagonist (surprisingly he passed away in real life according to IMDB), whereas RockyIV was the one where Russia and other countries were the enemy to Merica, and the whole terrorist thing may have been a better fit. If it was RockyIII then it would have to be Mr T pitying the fools (much like that other poster recently).

Throwaway gimmicks just need to take that extra second to go from meh to semi fun. Shame so few put that effort in.

All the best.
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12-19-2017 , 12:36 PM
^^^

yeah, tommy morrison was a story for a bit. combo famous and infamous iirc. came to sad ending.
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12-29-2017 , 01:25 AM
I have been playing poker for about three years mostly on ACR but a couple of months ago I heard about global poker and decided to give it a shot. After a couple of sessions i couldn't believe the action on there sets, full houses, flushes, it seemed like tons of coolers always happened on there. I ended up about 40$ from my original 50$ i deposited and decided to just quit and go back to ACR. Today I deposited 10$ to see if anything had changed and nope its still the same crazy action. Now i'm not saying its rigged, but if it were rigged how would i go about proving that is? How many hands would i need as a sample and then what am i even looking for in these hands? Also i thought about not mentioning name of the poker site but i figured that would help.
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12-31-2017 , 02:41 PM
The start of the sessions especially when one hasn't been playing there a lot regularly, tend to face more bad beats. There are the opposite stories also, but that's mostly the case when one is a significant to major winner, so it makes sense to play longer sessions and/or regularly.
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12-31-2017 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by IQWO
I ended up about 40$ from my original 50$ i deposited and decided to just quit and go back to ACR.
Solid BRM, I'm sure.
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The start of the sessions especially when one hasn't been playing there a lot regularly, tend to face more bad beats. There are the opposite stories also
lol
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01-01-2018 , 02:09 AM
I'm pretty sure the microstakes tables at pokerstars are inhabited by house bots. By house, I mean the bots are operated by pokerstars themselves as a way of sucking money out of the human players. Another theory is that playing there is like playing an arcade game, it's not real poker. The software will let you win a little at first but then take it all back and more and put you into situations you can't get out of without losing.

Also, almost every hand I get dealt is something playable. Suited connectors, pocket pairs. They deal you hands that make you want to get into the pot.

Having said that I have a friend who makes regular profit there so maybe it's not rigged. Just seems fishy on there sometimes with a lot of russians and east europeans colluding or they could potentially be bots. Also with any online poker theres the danger of your hole cards being visible to a third party, pokerstars themselves for example. It is a mafia run business as are most gambling related things, bookmaking etc.
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01-01-2018 , 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by KemiKings
It is a mafia run business as are most gambling related things, bookmaking etc.
Amaya (which owns PokerStars) is a publicly traded company. Whatever other weird unfounded accusations you want to make or whatever other valid points you want to make about how they're getting cheap or whatever, "mafia run" seems exceptionally unlikely.



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Oh, actually is it called "The Stars Group" now (they changed their name I guess?)? Well, The Stars Group is listed on the Nasdaq and the Toronto Stock Exchange, so that is my point; publicly traded. Very unlikely that the mafia is controlling a large international publicly traded company.

Last edited by Lego05; 01-01-2018 at 06:42 AM.
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01-01-2018 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by KemiKings
I'm pretty sure the microstakes tables at pokerstars are inhabited by house bots. By house, I mean the bots are operated by pokerstars themselves as a way of sucking money out of the human players. Another theory is that playing there is like playing an arcade game, it's not real poker. The software will let you win a little at first but then take it all back and more and put you into situations you can't get out of without losing.

Also, almost every hand I get dealt is something playable. Suited connectors, pocket pairs. They deal you hands that make you want to get into the pot.

Having said that I have a friend who makes regular profit there so maybe it's not rigged. Just seems fishy on there sometimes with a lot of russians and east europeans colluding or they could potentially be bots. Also with any online poker theres the danger of your hole cards being visible to a third party, pokerstars themselves for example. It is a mafia run business as are most gambling related things, bookmaking etc.
Congratulations. In a thread with a lot of terrible posts, you've finished the year with one of the worst I've seen. It's like you've collected every possible wacky theory you've thought of or heard and thrown them all into one post.

How do you think bots work? In your world, does being a bot mean it's able to see hole cards or cheat in some fashion?

How does the software make you lose, and how does this benefit the site?

How does getting you in every pot benefit the site?

How does the profitability of a single friend in any way, shape, or form, affect any of your theories? If all it takes is one friend's results to poke a hole in all your theories, they probably weren't very well-founded in the first place.

Do you know what collusion is? How could collusion look like botting, or botting like collusion? How, in your mind, are they related?

What makes you think your hole cards can be seen?

What evidence do you have that the publicly traded company that owns Stars is mafia run?
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01-01-2018 , 11:53 AM
Two russians got up and left at exactly the same time. That's fishy, they were even sitting next to each other. Reason why pokerstars is always busy with plenty of players? Because most of the players are bots. The best you can hope for on there is to break even or make a small loss. That's how it's designed.

Perhaps mafia is the wrong word. Illuminati would be a better word.

"How do you think bots work?"

The hands are scripted. I'll be dealt Queens and open up the pot pre flop. Bot re raises as he knows hes going to win. I call the re raise, either miss the flop or make an inferior hand. Bot blasts the pot, i lose money. Is that clear enough for you?

"How does the software make you lose"

By ensuring that you don't get ahead. You get a few dollars up and then will immediately be pegged back with a series of bad beats.

"How does getting you in every pot benefit the site?"

It generates more rake. The system is designed to get you to deposit as often as possible. It's addictive, so people just carry on playing.

"Do you know what collusion is?"

Yes I do, it's players working together, sharing info while playing and creating an unfair advantage against other players.

"How could collusion look like botting, or botting like collusion?"

Two russians sitting next to each other got up and left at exactly the same time. Clear enough for you?

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01-01-2018 , 12:27 PM
Why do you continue to play if you believe mafia bots are hunting you at the nano stakes? Nobody believes your paranoia except you, so whether you continue to play or not is your choice, but why do it when you are a target of this conspiracy in your mind? Maybe take up whittling instead - the Russian mafia will probably ignore you then.

Here is a video that should help you, and the guy in it has that kind of bug eyed crazy look to him, so you should be able relate to him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPP6UzcZ6yI

All the best.
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01-01-2018 , 12:48 PM
You say nano stakes but they're not really. You can quite easily lose several buy ins in a bad session of 10nl, especially when being dealt Kings v Aces regularly. The losses add up and there are many addicts being fleeced by pokerstars and other companies. It's sad really. I'm a multi millionaire and play for fun but there are people actually trying to make a living out of this.

Which brings me on to my next topic, Doug Pork, Doug Poke or whatever his name is. The guy is a shill for pokerstars. When he logs onto pokerstars they flip the run good switch on for him and he makes millions of dollars. He then coaches people how to lose and so the cycle continues.
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