The great "Poker is rigged" debate - Collected threads edition

[spadebidder]

Originally Posted by alex20823

I remember when I first read the study that Spadebidder said somewhere that he had hands from Full Tilt and I assumed that he had hands from Stars too.

This is correct. The data on the site refers to Site A and Site B, which were those two sites. All the data was from those only. I forgot which was which.

[stkfr06400]

This study is very interesting. Every one can use it as a tool with his samples. After 10 years of poker ( wining ~ 25 k online mtt 10 k cg) i have decided to quit online and closed all my accounts to focus exclusively on live poker . I may be wrong or not, but i m fed up.

https://issuu.com/ionutapahideanu/do...r_-_rigged_or_

And my last question is : is the equity from starting hands going to showdown respected on X billions hands when the final pot is puting you more than 30 BB and/ or 50 % of your stack ?

[NewOldGuy]

Originally Posted by stkfr06400

This study is very interesting.
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https://issuu.com/ionutapahideanu/do...r_-_rigged_or_

It's been discussed in the Probability forum and some big flaws pointed out. The writer doesn't really understand statistics and probability very well.

[Mike Haven]

Originally Posted by stkfr06400

This study is very interesting. Every one can use it as a tool with his samples. After 10 years of poker ( wining ~ 25 k online mtt 10 k cg) i have decided to quit online and closed all my accounts to focus exclusively on live poker . I may be wrong or not, but i m fed up.

https://issuu.com/ionutapahideanu/do...r_-_rigged_or_

And my last question is : is the equity from starting hands going to showdown respected on X billions hands when the final pot is puting you more than 30 BB and/ or 50 % of your stack ?

Originally Posted by NewOldGuy

It's been discussed in the Probability forum and some big flaws pointed out. The writer doesn't really understand statistics and probability very well.

I can't find the Probability Forum discussion, but it was mentioned briefly earlier in this thread: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=83902

[whosnext]

Yes, I don't think the article was ever discussed in the Probability Forum. I can only remember a few posts in this very thread (which Mike Haven pointed too above).

[donk mcReetard]

Originally Posted by theorangeone

Also crop circles, flat earth, chemtrails and reptilians.

i like the 'stones tongue' logo crop circle. good to see the aliens have a penchant for the british R&B invasion. i wonder if they still paid attention after the 'some girls' album.

[viking1]

Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

So, is it all the time, or most of the time? And if it's all the time, why would you only fold them when there's action? If they lose all the time, they should be folded all the time.

This should be trivially easy to provide evidence for, BTW. I mean, it would be a bunch of work, but it's simple enough to filter for once you have your dates.

I mean If I fold after the flop , before turn/river. With action preflop I go all-in and always lose . Yes I agree , I could go through the hand history . What works for me now after cashout is to take a 2 week break from the site, then deposit and only play at micro tables, then move up when I feel it's "back to normal".

[centebakkie]

Seeing, hearing and feeling is the best evidence you can have

[Legman]

First of all I think this is a boring and dead beat topic because I disbelieve in “Rigged”. I think extensive run bad is the ultimate cooler and it can be exhausting for most.

Recently I have put some time into PokerStars play money. I buy 500k and play 1 500k spin and I ran one up to 750,000,000 (not first time). With ~500,000,000 I usually play 10,000,000 spins.
I lost to ~15% post flop in most my spins and down to 200,000,000.
I would just get it in crushing, I want to say a majority of the time. Where villain had ~3 outs or backdoor draws just hitting repeatedly.

[jungmit]

Originally Posted by Mike Haven

Fold every time you are dealt AA or KK on the first table. That will foil their evil plan, at minimal loss.



Perfect strategy.



Wait. So it's not true that you'll lose every time when you're dealt AA or KK on the first table?

As it's not true that you lose every time, your entire memory of the games played is probably not true either. You should use a tracker. (You'd be able to give some evidence of your imagined discovery, too.)



Let's say you have cashed out 10 times in 2 years. You probably didn't receive AA or KK on your first table more than once or twice. Losing them is not really a big deal.



It's a coincidence.

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Edit: Note to other shills: Pile on, guys. This guy has some damning evidence we need to quash.

Your all missing the point tho. He is not looking for a good strategy to minimise his losers with aces or kings, he is wondering why he loses with them after a cash out.

[Monteroy]

He is left handed, that is why. There is an industry standard commonly referred to as the anti-leftist KK/AA stipulation.

Once he starts cashing out with his right hand his issues will go away. This is a very old topic, and pretty much all players have known this since 2008 or so.

Originally Posted by Legman

First of all I think this is a boring and dead beat topic because I disbelieve in “Rigged”. I think extensive run bad is the ultimate cooler and it can be exhausting for most.

Recently I have put some time into PokerStars play money. I buy 500k and play 1 500k spin and I ran one up to 750,000,000 (not first time). With ~500,000,000 I usually play 10,000,000 spins.
I lost to ~15% post flop in most my spins and down to 200,000,000.
I would just get it in crushing, I want to say a majority of the time. Where villain had ~3 outs or backdoor draws just hitting repeatedly.

Move up where they pretend respect your play raises.

All the best.

[ouinosino]

is anyone even still playing online poker? if so, i feel sorry for you.

[donk mcReetard]

if YOU have to BUY your play money...you might be a redneck.

[Legman]

Originally Posted by Monteroy

Move up where they pretend respect your play raises.

All the best.

Bravo, went back to playing 2,500,000 spins and it’s so much more soft compared to the 10,000,000 and 50,000,000 spins.

Originally Posted by ouinosino

is anyone even still playing online poker? if so, i feel sorry for you.

A lot of people do, but it keeps getting tougher.
If you’re in US I can see where you’re coming from as we are not included in the regulated international sites and obviously limited to everything else.

Originally Posted by donk mcReetard

if YOU have to BUY your play money...you might be a redneck.

Reloading 12,500 chips every several hours is not ideal when you want to get into mid PM stakes. You can get up to 500,000 from 12,500 sure. After achieving the 500k if you put it all in on one game and bust then you’re back to the grind with one buy-in at the lowest stakes available.

[Monteroy]

Originally Posted by Legman

Bravo, went back to playing 2,500,000 spins and it’s so much more soft compared to the 10,000,000 and 50,000,000 spins.

Makes sense, the games get more reggy at the 10,000,000 level.

Originally Posted by Legman

A lot of people do, but it keeps getting tougher.
If you’re in US I can see where you’re coming from as we are not included in the regulated international sites and obviously limited to everything else.

Reloading 12,500 chips every several hours is not ideal when you want to get into mid PM stakes. You can get up to 500,000 from 12,500 sure. After achieving the 500k if you put it all in on one game and bust then you’re back to the grind with one buy-in at the lowest stakes available.

The play money games passed him by, so he made the correct choice for himself, although I admit I never quite understand the "I pity all of you" line from someone who had to quit the industry due to an inability to compete, yet that person still lingers on the online poker message boards. Ironic, and a bit weird.

Anyway, better luck in your games!

All the best.

[RockyV]

Originally Posted by spadebidder

This is correct. The data on the site refers to Site A and Site B, which were those two sites. All the data was from those only. I forgot which was which.

Spadebidder is not accouting for the hackers that were viewing other people's hole cards via remote access. Doors left open by the poker site operators.

[Bobo Fett]

Originally Posted by RockyV

Spadebidder is not accouting for the hackers that were viewing other people's hole cards via remote access. Doors left open by the poker site operators.

If you have evidence of this, it would be worthy of a new thread. It certainly doesn't belong here.

[RockyV]

Originally Posted by Bobo Fett

If you have evidence of this, it would be worthy of a new thread. It certainly doesn't belong here.

Kinda old boring news for a new thread.
Evidence that the main operators were allowing Al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden, mainly his nosey courier, to run a super user scheme by remotely accessing computers and their displays, which was ultimately being used to fund terrorist operations, is also very difficult to prove.

[Kelvis]

So it seems like you know this happened, yet difficult to prove. Like it always is. And you won't even attempt to either.

[MR_UNOWEN]

Originally Posted by Monteroy

The play money games passed him by, so he made the correct choice for himself, although I admit I never quite understand the "I pity all of you" line from someone who had to quit the industry due to an inability to compete, yet that person still lingers on the online poker message boards. Ironic, and a bit weird.

Stake him, and get him some coaching! Just make sure he doesn't have a D issue!

[alex20823]

Originally Posted by RockyV

Kinda old boring news for a new thread.
Evidence that the main operators were allowing Al-Qaeda, Osama Bin Laden, mainly his nosey courier, to run a super user scheme by remotely accessing computers and their displays, which was ultimately being used to fund terrorist operations, is also very difficult to prove.

Yeah, Osama Bin Laden also took down the 2007 WSOP. I told everyone that Jerry Yang was just a hologram but no one would believe me.

On a more serious note, you start your sentence with " Evidence that", where is the evidence that supports your accusations ?

[Monteroy]

Originally Posted by MR_UNOWEN

Stake him, and get him some coaching! Just make sure he doesn't have a D issue!

All our play money coaches are full at the moment having pretend group lessons.

This new gimmick account stinks, RockyV was the movie where some random named Tommy is the antagonist (surprisingly he passed away in real life according to IMDB), whereas RockyIV was the one where Russia and other countries were the enemy to Merica, and the whole terrorist thing may have been a better fit. If it was RockyIII then it would have to be Mr T pitying the fools (much like that other poster recently).

Throwaway gimmicks just need to take that extra second to go from meh to semi fun. Shame so few put that effort in.

All the best.

[MR_UNOWEN]

^^^

yeah, tommy morrison was a story for a bit. combo famous and infamous iirc. came to sad ending.

[IQWO]

I have been playing poker for about three years mostly on ACR but a couple of months ago I heard about global poker and decided to give it a shot. After a couple of sessions i couldn't believe the action on there sets, full houses, flushes, it seemed like tons of coolers always happened on there. I ended up about 40$ from my original 50$ i deposited and decided to just quit and go back to ACR. Today I deposited 10$ to see if anything had changed and nope its still the same crazy action. Now i'm not saying its rigged, but if it were rigged how would i go about proving that is? How many hands would i need as a sample and then what am i even looking for in these hands? Also i thought about not mentioning name of the poker site but i figured that would help.

[6471849653]

The start of the sessions especially when one hasn't been playing there a lot regularly, tend to face more bad beats. There are the opposite stories also, but that's mostly the case when one is a significant to major winner, so it makes sense to play longer sessions and/or regularly.