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Old 11-22-2017, 12:39 AM   #83951
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Jungmit. If you truly discovered a pattern for the doomswitch/boomswitch theory, then here's what you need to do. Follow me closely, this is important. But it's rather easy to do.

1. Play the smallest stakes possible for whatever amount of period your brain thinks ( sometimes you make people doubt that ) that the doomswitch is activated.

2. Recognize when the doomswitch is over and when the boomswitch starts.

3. Play the highest stakes possible.

4. Repeat the first three steps till infinity.
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Old 11-22-2017, 10:40 AM   #83952
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He and other riggies hate money, so they never exploit these simple rigs (that nobody else can detect) for easy money.

Anyway, sounds like the site gave him 9 days of winning to help even things out, and then things got back to normal. He should not be too upset, the site will likely rig it to help his weak game again soon after he loses too much, at least according to his latest made up theory.
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Old 11-22-2017, 11:27 AM   #83953
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No you really don’t get it. You really don’t understand variance or statistics or randomness at all. They even have a name for what you’re recognizing in these games. Please read the wiki below.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion
Oh ok. So u are saying when I look at hem2 and see my graph go straight up then then down it's an illusion. Gotcha

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Jungmit. If you truly discovered a pattern for the doomswitch/boomswitch theory, then here's what you need to do. Follow me closely, this is important. But it's rather easy to do.

1. Play the smallest stakes possible for whatever amount of period your brain thinks ( sometimes you make people doubt that ) that the doomswitch is activated.

2. Recognize when the doomswitch is over and when the boomswitch starts.

3. Play the highest stakes possible.

4. Repeat the first three steps till infinity.
I have no discovered a pattern to when it will happen, I just know it happens. Obv if I knew when it was going or happen then it would be awesome.

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Old 11-22-2017, 11:46 AM   #83954
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I have no discovered a pattern to when it will happen, I just know it happens. Obv if I knew when it was going or happen then it would be awesome.

When something is "unrandom", it creates patterns. If such a pattern would exist on a big site, it would've been caught up by now. Not by you, of course.

If you truly believe this theory, collect data. As much hand histories as possible. Then ask people that know math to search for patterns/things that would indicate a rigged deal/non-randomness. Ex: if the odds stay true over a large sample, to see if the big stack always defeats the short stack theory is true etc.

They can all be tested for. And needless to say, people that know more than you about statistics have looked over this over and over again. They found nada. But, be my guest.

At least do something concrete for a change, put the pedal to the metal and do some work regarding your spewy accusations, specially as they can bring you insane amounts of money if they prove out to be true. Either by exploiting the "rig" yourself or by selling the information and blowing them out in the open. And by doing the latter you also forever gain the respect and gratitude of the community
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Old 11-22-2017, 12:00 PM   #83955
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When something is "unrandom", it creates patterns. If such a pattern would exist on a big site, it would've been caught up by now. Not by you, of course.

If you truly believe this theory, collect data. As much hand histories as possible. Then ask people that know math to search for patterns/things that would indicate a rigged deal/non-randomness. Ex: if the odds stay true over a large sample, to see if the big stack always defeats the short stack theory is true etc.

They can all be tested for. And needless to say, people that know more than you about statistics have looked over this over and over again. They found nada. But, be my guest.

At least do something concrete for a change, put the pedal to the metal and do some work regarding your spewy accusations, specially as they can bring you insane amounts of money if they prove out to be true. Either by exploiting the "rig" yourself or by selling the information and blowing them out in the open. And by doing the latter you also forever gain the respect and gratitude of the community
Not going to happen. I am sure they will tell me sample size is too small....i don't have 14 million hands after all. I am not trying to gain any respect from this community. I would be doing it only for myself.
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:00 PM   #83956
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Oh ok. So u are saying when I look at hem2 and see my graph go straight up then then down it's an illusion. Gotcha


No I’m saying that your brain recognizing any type of pattern is an illusion. The graph going up and then down is just randomness plotted on a graph for you to see.

Maybe you don’t understand the definition of “pattern”? A pattern by nature is predictable. So why are you having so much trouble predicting the patterns of the RNG? And if you can predict the patterns you should stop crying about it and do as others have suggested and exploit it for massive sums of money.

Here is an example of a predictable pattern: 1,3,5,7,9,11,13 - I bet you can guess which number comes next... Maybe not? Lol

It’s really not that hard to understand but I know you have a tough time with simple concepts.
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:06 PM   #83957
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Not going to happen. I am sure they will tell me sample size is too small....i don't have 14 million hands after all. I am not trying to gain any respect from this community. I would be doing it only for myself.
You don't necessarily need millions of hands. It depends on the amount of riggedness going on. The bigger the rig, the less sample size you need. Again, there have been countless of million HH's analysis done, and none show anything wrong. I'm not gonna link you to the spadebidder study again.

Then do it for yourself. If you're so sure there's a rig, then you can prove it. If a rig is so obvious that you can see it with your eyes, then it will definitely get caught by a statistical analysis in no time.
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Old 11-22-2017, 01:34 PM   #83958
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Here is an example of a predictable pattern: 1,3,5,7,9,11,13 - I bet you can guess which number comes next... Maybe not? Lol
Someone's provided a similar example in the past, it went as you'd expect.
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If you were going to keep rolling a fair die, how often would you expect to roll a 6 in the next 96 rolls?

(It's likely that you won't roll a 6 exactly that number of times, but the figure I'd like you to state will become the average after enough sequences of 96 rolls.)
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JFC.

Please try your very hardest to answer this question: "If you were going to keep rolling a fair die, how often would you expect to roll a 6 in the next 96 rolls?"

(If you had answered two posts ago, I would already have told you the point of my asking.)

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Old 11-22-2017, 02:13 PM   #83959
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Someone's provided a similar example in the past, it went as you'd expect.
I guess Pots thought that "15" would appeal more to him than "16".
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Old 11-22-2017, 04:46 PM   #83960
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No I’m saying that your brain recognizing any type of pattern is an illusion. The graph going up and then down is just randomness plotted on a graph for you to see.

Maybe you don’t understand the definition of “pattern”? A pattern by nature is predictable. So why are you having so much trouble predicting the patterns of the RNG? And if you can predict the patterns you should stop crying about it and do as others have suggested and exploit it for massive sums of money.

Here is an example of a predictable pattern: 1,3,5,7,9,11,13 - I bet you can guess which number comes next... Maybe not? Lol

It’s really not that hard to understand but I know you have a tough time with simple concepts.
My brain is not recognizing it. It's in hem2.

I think I have been exploiting it pretty well. 14 bb-100
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Old 11-22-2017, 05:25 PM   #83961
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They needed to give you 9 days of winning to even things out according to your theory. Check your HEM to see if it tells you how many of your theories of the day accidentally prove (if true) that you are a weak player being helped by the sites. No worries - you have a large enough sample size of conflicting, made up theories by this point.

I realize you will not understand any of this, and will reply in a way that is unrelated, just as you always do, like in the post above where a poster asked you to follow a sequence of 1,3,5,7,11,13 and asked what comes next and you replied that your HEM database said 14 BB/100.

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Old 11-22-2017, 07:24 PM   #83962
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My brain is not recognizing it.
Truer words were never spoken.
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Old 11-22-2017, 08:04 PM   #83963
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Just to throw a light-hearted comment into this already hilarious thread, I thought I'd share something I came across on another message board.

We all know how many poker riggies there are out there - and we think we've sort of cornered the market in this thread. But wait, there's more: I read someone posting about Words With Friends. He is convinced that WWF is rigged so that certain people get good letters more than other people.

At least he didn't try to suggest that Zynga was rigging it in order to increase rake
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Old 11-22-2017, 09:03 PM   #83964
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Here is the Zynga is rigged thread

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...igged-1163239/


Riggies exist in pretty much every facet of life, because people can be paranoid about everything. Doubt anyone thoughT this thread cornered the market on anything, in fact its basically a conspiracy light thread, because many riggies are primarily whiners (such as this jungmit guy) who come here to complain when they need to bawl a bit.


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Old 11-22-2017, 11:09 PM   #83965
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My brain is not recognizing it. It's in hem2.
I don't think HEM2 has an opinion on the matter. It's simply recording your observations. The interpretation is 100% your own.
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Old 11-23-2017, 11:23 PM   #83966
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Hey guys,

This is my first post and sadly goes for this topic. I have few things to say only.

Firstly, these two or three passionate supporters of the idea that everything is perfectly fine with online poker and there should be no doubt about that, or else you are dumb, pathetic, paranoid, schizophrenic, donk, idiot, ridiculous etc.. etc.. I mean these guys that have been living in this thread for the last decade bullying everyone who is uncertain of the fair play of online poker, they need to keep calm!

Nothing is for certain in this life, some even claim that life itself is almost certainly a simulation' before bullying them, you should know that probably they are brighter than you are and they have proven it, I guess you would not have the balls to bully Elon Musk's intelligence or would you ?

So if life itself could be a simulation then why the f*** wouldn't some online shuffle potentially be one too ? A good enough simulation to trick people like you and me into thinking that is a real fair and random shuffle when in fact is just a simulation of a real fair and random shuffle ?
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Old 11-23-2017, 11:48 PM   #83967
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The two to three passionate supporters may be simulations to trick people like you into thinking they do not see that life and other simulations may be simulations, thus simulating a simulation that will simulate confusion those who do not properly create a simulation of the simulated simulation that is actually a simulation of the very similar simulated simulation (or is it really a simulation instead). Something to definitely simulate about.

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Old 11-24-2017, 05:32 AM   #83968
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Firstly, these two or three passionate supporters of the idea that everything is perfectly fine with online poker and there should be no doubt about that, or else you are dumb, pathetic, paranoid, schizophrenic, donk, idiot, ridiculous etc.. etc..
Actually, I've never seen a single person support this idea. But I've seen lots of people erect this straw man.

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I mean these guys that have been living in this thread for the last decade bullying everyone who is uncertain of the fair play of online poker, they need to keep calm!
This would be funny, except that I think the huge overuse of the word "bullying" these days can't be helpful to those who truly are bullied. The more the word gets misused, the less seriously it's taken.

But what makes you think anyone needs to be told to keep calm? I know it's a cute saying on t-shirts and mugs and all, but I don't know of many people in here that I'd assume were less than calm.

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Nothing is for certain in this life, some even claim that life itself is almost certainly a simulation' before bullying them, you should know that probably they are brighter than you are and they have proven it, I guess you would not have the balls to bully Elon Musk's intelligence or would you ?

So if life itself could be a simulation then why the f*** wouldn't some online shuffle potentially be one too ? A good enough simulation to trick people like you and me into thinking that is a real fair and random shuffle when in fact is just a simulation of a real fair and random shuffle ?
Just because some claim "that life itself is almost certainly a simulation" (I'm taking your word for this - I've never seen such a claim) doesn't mean it could be.

But if it is, then what's the point even discussing whether online poker is rigged? Your suggestion seems to be that anything is possible; if that's your sincere belief, then you might as well go through life enjoying it, and not worry about these things you can't control.
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Old 11-24-2017, 07:30 PM   #83969
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there's a straw man waiting in the sky.
he'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'd blow our minds.
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Old 11-24-2017, 11:02 PM   #83970
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Actually, I've never seen a single person support this idea. But I've seen lots of people erect this straw man.
That's funny because this thread is full of those who claim online poker is as fair as it gets, well most probably it is but having few slight concerns won't hurt nobody.

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This would be funny, except that I think the huge overuse of the word "bullying" these days can't be helpful to those who truly are bullied. The more the word gets misused, the less seriously it's taken.
Calling people names is bullying and there is at least one einstein here that has been doing it over and over through the years.

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But what makes you think anyone needs to be told to keep calm? I know it's a cute saying on t-shirts and mugs and all, but I don't know of many people in here that I'd assume were less than calm.
The attitude of people with a huge ego and a big conceit makes me think they need to be told to calm down and try to be constructive.

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Just because some claim "that life itself is almost certainly a simulation" (I'm taking your word for this - I've never seen such a claim) doesn't mean it could be.
"The chance we are not living in a computer simulation is one in billions" (quoting exact words)

Ofcourse just because some claim so does not mean it could be. The University of Michigan is testing the idea and a swath of technologists and phycicists believe that the theory will be proved.


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But if it is, then what's the point even discussing whether online poker is rigged? Your suggestion seems to be that anything is possible; if that's your sincere belief, then you might as well go through life enjoying it, and not worry about these things you can't control.
This piece of advice makes no sense to me as regardless of life being or not being a simulation I will keep playing poker, I will go through life enjoying it (never said I wouldn't). And ofcourse I will keep being worried about the integrity of the game that I love the most, so there is the point.

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Old 11-25-2017, 12:19 AM   #83971
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That's funny because this thread is full of those who claim online poker is as fair as it gets
Quote one.
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Old 11-25-2017, 12:52 AM   #83972
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That's funny because this thread is full of those who claim online poker is as fair as it gets, well most probably it is but having few slight concerns won't hurt nobody.
No. You're making the riggie mistake of interpreting someone's refutation of a rigged theory as meaning they are saying "online poker is as fair as it gets". It isn't. I can refute 100 people with their theories of why they think online poker is rigged, while still not saying that I know online poker is definitely fair.

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Calling people names is bullying and there is at least one einstein here that has been doing it over and over through the years.
No, it's not. But that does seem to be the way a lot of people like to incorrectly use the term.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bullying

": abuse and mistreatment of someone vulnerable by someone stronger, more powerful, etc. : the actions and behavior of a bully"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying

"Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power, which distinguishes bullying from conflict."

Where's the imbalance of power? There isn't one. Strangers calling other strangers names online isn't bullying - it's conflict.

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The attitude of people with a huge ego and a big conceit makes me think they need to be told to calm down and try to be constructive.
More assumptions, this time about ego and conceit. But sure, the comment to be more constructive is fair.

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"The chance we are not living in a computer simulation is one in billions" (quoting exact words)

Ofcourse just because some claim so does not mean it could be. The University of Michigan is testing the idea and a swath of technologists and phycicists believe that the theory will be proved.
Just so you know, you're free to link where it comes from.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7060941.html

I'd need to know more about this; from what he said, I'm not buying it. But it would be a very interesting conversation.

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This piece of advice makes no sense to me as regardless of life being or not being a simulation I will keep playing poker, I will go through life enjoying it (never said I wouldn't). And ofcourse I will keep being worried about the integrity of the game that I love the most, so there is the point.
Well, I'm not positive what your point was of bringing life being a simulation into the conversation in the first place. You seemed to suggest that it means that the online poker shuffle could be a simulation of a real and fair shuffle - I assumed you were suggesting that somehow allows for an undetectable rig that wouldn't be possible in the real world. And I'm saying if that's possible, what's the point in worrying about it? What am I going to do about a simulated world where I can be screwed with no way of proving it? Might as well go along with it and enjoy the ride.
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Old 11-25-2017, 02:37 AM   #83973
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Old 11-25-2017, 04:58 AM   #83974
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No, it's not. But that does seem to be the way a lot of people like to incorrectly use the term.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bullying

": abuse and mistreatment of someone vulnerable by someone stronger, more powerful, etc. : the actions and behavior of a bully"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying

"Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power, which distinguishes bullying from conflict."

Where's the imbalance of power? There isn't one. Strangers calling other strangers names online isn't bullying - it's conflict.
It's probably clearer to call the bullying here cyberbullying:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberbullying

"Cyberbullying or cyberharassment is a form of bullying or harassment using electronic forms of contact. ... Harmful bullying behavior can include posting rumors about a person, threats, sexual remarks, disclose victims' personal information, or pejorative labels (i.e., hate speech). Bullying or harassment can be identified by repeated behavior and an intent to harm. Victims may have lower self-esteem, increased suicidal ideation, and a variety of emotional responses, retaliating, being scared, frustrated, angry, and depressed. Individuals have reported that cyberbullying can be more harmful than traditional bullying.

"Internet trolling is a common form of bullying over the Internet in an online community (such as in online gaming or social media) in order to elicit a reaction, disruption, or for their own personal amusement."
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Old 11-25-2017, 03:00 PM   #83975
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Simulation theory has no bearing on this topic. Whether or not simulation theory is true, someone created RNGs. Poker RNGs have been tested, certified, and re tested by the (simulated?) poker community. No one has come forward with DATA that shows unfair RNGs. That is a fact.

The reason riggies get ridiculed is that they come in this thread guns blazin' claiming they have cracked the code on some weird rigged RNG theory that only they can detect. Then they proceed to provide zero data, alter their theory to defend against logical counter arguments and cold hard facts- and eventually give up. Sometimes they get flamed- that's what happens when you propose ridiculous theories that get disproven, and continue to defend them.

I'd like to see if someone can dig up a post of a user courteously coming forward looking for evidence of rigging out of genuine curiosity- and then getting flamed. I can't recall something like that happening as long as I have been lurking ITT.

I also love how when riggies get backed into a corner they get super existential and nihilistic, thinking that disproving our known laws of the universe somehow makes them correct. It's happened a handful of times ITT, always amusing.
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