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06-17-2017 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
U are saying u want me to individually post 80,000 hands 1 by 1? Are u nuts?
Just post one ****** graph. Doesn't matter what it is from at this point. Here I will give an example:



I challenge you to show that you're not a complete moron and you can actually perform a trivial task. I know how this will end but let's give it a try.
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06-17-2017 , 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Just post one ****** graph. Doesn't matter what it is from at this point. Here I will give an example:



I challenge you to show that you're not a complete moron and you can actually perform a trivial task. I know how this will end but let's give it a try.
U can challenge me all u want. I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO POST A GRAPH HERE. sorry. If Alex pm me his email address I will send it to him and he has my permission to post it here
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06-17-2017 , 09:01 PM
I gave you my email address in a private message, Jungmit. I'm waiting for the graph.

It's too bad you didn't take the challenge. It would've been fun and Guinness World Records noteworthy though.
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06-17-2017 , 10:34 PM
The great Jungmit graph is here.

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06-17-2017 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by alex20823
The great Jungmit graph is here.

Lol. Looks like a winner
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06-17-2017 , 11:03 PM
Come on, Jungmit. The joke is over. Admit that it's my graph.
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06-18-2017 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by alex20823
Come on, Jungmit. The joke is over. Admit that it's my graph.
You are slivy, too?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...2&postcount=15
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06-18-2017 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Slivy on some sites. Jungmit here.
That is a funny post. I don't even remember writing it, but kinda true.
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06-19-2017 , 10:32 AM
Just throwing it out there again: 888 is shady as ****.
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06-19-2017 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven

If the question was directed at me, then the answer is no. The post I made was just a joke. This is the first account that I have made on this forum/site.
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06-19-2017 , 03:45 PM
More importantly where is Monty now that I have winning graph posted? Is he thinking how he can turn this Into a negative with how I couldn't post it myself?
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06-19-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
More importantly where is Monty now that I have winning graph posted? Is he thinking how he can turn this Into a negative with how I couldn't post it myself?
What I see is a winner for 30k hands and then a loser for 40K hands.

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06-19-2017 , 06:48 PM
70,000 hands (1-2 months volume) for a dude who has claimed to play online for nearly 20 years. If that is a lifetime graph over years then that is definitely someone who should have quit poker 40,000 hands ago, because it looks like the games passed that person by.

If this is not the full lifetime graph, then one has to assume this was as good a snapshot as was possible when cherry picking a 50,000+ sample size of hands, in which case - yikes, that person should have never played poker!


I can see why so much time was used delaying posting that, and that assumes it is even his, which is always uncertain, given his need to constantly lie.
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06-19-2017 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
70,000 hands (1-2 months volume) for a dude who has claimed to play online for nearly 20 years. If that is a lifetime graph over years then that is definitely someone who should have quit poker 40,000 hands ago, because it looks like the games passed that person by.

If this is not the full lifetime graph, then one has to assume this was as good a snapshot as was possible when cherry picking a 50,000+ sample size of hands, in which case - yikes, that person should have never played poker!


I can see why so much time was used delaying posting that, and that assumes it is even his, which is always uncertain, given his need to constantly lie.
I play less then 10k hands per month now. That graph is from last year.
Good try tho Monty. Took u a while to think something up and this was the best u could do? Embarrassing
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06-19-2017 , 08:56 PM
I don't read the thread every day, and you lie about everything, so that should have quit poker graph is probably not even yours, and if it is it (based on what you are saying now - which who knows/cares if it is the truth) represents a tiny percentage of your lifetime play, so you are clearly not showing the rest of it for an obvious reason.

You certainly will not post a genuine graph of your 2017 play ever .

All the best.
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06-20-2017 , 03:16 AM
Jungmit, it doesn't matter if you are a winning player or not. Most people won't believe you are one since you claim that it is rigged. I don't think I have to explain why that is.

If you want to prove or at least test out your theories, take your lifetime database and perform tests on it. You say each player has streaks in which he will not win regardless of what hands he plays and streaks in which he will not lose regardless of what hands he plays. Try and single these streaks out in your database ( if there are any ) and try to attribute a factor to them. For example, let's say you lost 500$, followed by a 1000$ winning streak. Check your database for a pattern such as this.

Anyways, this would be a hard way to prove a rig as players go through downswings and upswings all the time. When you look at databases you will see that there isn't really a connection between winning streaks and losing streaks. Other than of course the player getting better or worse at the game.

It would be much easier though to prove a rig by studying your database and see if the percentages of hands holding up or not holding up match up to the odds, since the streaks that you talk about will also be connected to the hand histories.

Anyways, try to be specific about it. Generalities won't get you anywhere and maybe if you do this and discover nothing wrong, you will change your views on this matter, or if you do discover something wrong that is credible evidence, then you will be taken seriously and the site/s in question will have a lot to answer to.

If you can't do it yourself, find a person ( friend, acquaintance, stranger whatever ) that is good at maths/stats and ask him/her to help you out.
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06-20-2017 , 03:22 AM
jungmit don't get cocky now. You sent someone a picture with your mobile phone, you're not a genius yet. Making and sending pictures with your phone is made hilariously easy so women can put their tits on the internet so don't pat yourself on the back yet.
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06-20-2017 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by alex20823
Jungmit, it doesn't matter if you are a winning player or not. Most people won't believe you are one since you claim that it is rigged. I don't think I have to explain why that is.

If you want to prove or at least test out your theories, take your lifetime database and perform tests on it. You say each player has streaks in which he will not win regardless of what hands he plays and streaks in which he will not lose regardless of what hands he plays. Try and single these streaks out in your database ( if there are any ) and try to attribute a factor to them. For example, let's say you lost 500$, followed by a 1000$ winning streak. Check your database for a pattern such as this.

Anyways, this would be a hard way to prove a rig as players go through downswings and upswings all the time. When you look at databases you will see that there isn't really a connection between winning streaks and losing streaks. Other than of course the player getting better or worse at the game.

It would be much easier though to prove a rig by studying your database and see if the percentages of hands holding up or not holding up match up to the odds, since the streaks that you talk about will also be connected to the hand histories.

Anyways, try to be specific about it. Generalities won't get you anywhere and maybe if you do this and discover nothing wrong, you will change your views on this matter, or if you do discover something wrong that is credible evidence, then you will be taken seriously and the site/s in question will have a lot to answer to.

If you can't do it yourself, find a person ( friend, acquaintance, stranger whatever ) that is good at maths/stats and ask him/her to help you out.
I can't figure out how to post a graph here....so u really think I know how to figure out the stuff u are saying? I have no idea how do do anything on hem2 except look at my graph and use the replayed. I have no idea how to run any reports to sort any data out.
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06-20-2017 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I don't read the thread every day, and you lie about everything, so that should have quit poker graph is probably not even yours, and if it is it (based on what you are saying now - which who knows/cares if it is the truth) represents a tiny percentage of your lifetime play, so you are clearly not showing the rest of it for an obvious reason.

You certainly will not post a genuine graph of your 2017 play ever .

All the best.
This is getting hard to watch now Monty. U ok dude? Way off your game
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06-20-2017 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
I can't figure out how to post a graph here....so u really think I know how to figure out the stuff u are saying? I have no idea how do do anything on hem2 except look at my graph and use the replayed. I have no idea how to run any reports to sort any data out.
That is why I said that if you cannot do it yourself then find someone who can. Statistics/math is an universal language. You just have to provide your database up to that person if he/she is willing to help you.

You admit you are not that good at maths/stats or computers for that matter. Which is fine with me, nothing wrong with that. Not everybody can be good at it.

But if you admit this, shouldn't you consider the possibility that you have a skewed understanding of the math behind the game rather than trying to explain the runs that seem incredible to you as a "streak" rig ?
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06-20-2017 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jungmit
This is getting hard to watch now Monty. U ok dude? Way off your game
I have to dumb it down a lot for you, and often times even that does not help you understand, so any debate with you tends to be pretty low quality stuff, regardless of who is on the other side. That is why I encourage you to lie better in future.

All the best.
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06-21-2017 , 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
I have to dumb it down a lot for you, and often times even that does not help you understand, so any debate with you tends to be pretty low quality stuff, regardless of who is on the other side. That is why I encourage you to lie better in future.

All the best.
Monty are u feeling Ok? U are way off your game here. Hopefully everything is ok
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06-21-2017 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by alex20823
That is why I said that if you cannot do it yourself then find someone who can. Statistics/math is an universal language. You just have to provide your database up to that person if he/she is willing to help you.

You admit you are not that good at maths/stats or computers for that matter. Which is fine with me, nothing wrong with that. Not everybody can be good at it.

But if you admit this, shouldn't you consider the possibility that you have a skewed understanding of the math behind the game rather than trying to explain the runs that seem incredible to you as a "streak" rig ?
There is no one to find. Where am I going to find someone?
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06-21-2017 , 12:16 PM
There are people who have posted ads for doing database analysis for players. Probably some older ones in the coaching forum. Obviously telling you that will in no way, shape or form help you understand how to get that type of help, if you even really wanted it (doubtful, given that you lie about everything). The point is that that service of course exists, because people are always willing to provide a service like that for a cost.

Since you probably did not understand the above, I will dumb it down.

When you hungry, you need food. You find food. You pay for food from person or store that sell food. You pay with money. You find store that sell food for food. Eat food. Food good.

Now do the same, only replace food with a computer expert. If you are really not sure where to start then call Best Buy and speak to the Geek Squad - maybe someone there can help you or know someone who can help. You could of course also post your request in the software forum here as well. Simple ideas that most humans would think of quickly.

All the best.
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06-21-2017 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
There are people who have posted ads for doing database analysis for players. Probably some older ones in the coaching forum. Obviously telling you that will in no way, shape or form help you understand how to get that type of help, if you even really wanted it (doubtful, given that you lie about everything). The point is that that service of course exists, because people are always willing to provide a service like that for a cost.

Since you probably did not understand the above, I will dumb it down.

When you hungry, you need food. You find food. You pay for food from person or store that sell food. You pay with money. You find store that sell food for food. Eat food. Food good.

Now do the same, only replace food with a computer expert. If you are really not sure where to start then call Best Buy and speak to the Geek Squad - maybe someone there can help you or know someone who can help. You could of course also post your request in the software forum here as well. Simple ideas that most humans would think of quickly.

All the best.
I am not hungry tho. Gl monty. U guys want me to do it. I am indifferent to whether I do it or not.

Last edited by jungmit; 06-21-2017 at 01:01 PM.
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