I would like to hear a riggies theory to why there's no teapot orbiting the Sun between Earth and Mars outside of the fact that they say no one has ever proved it's there. Before anyone proved the world was round everyone that it was flat, and of course we all remember that the Earth was proven round by uneducated morons simply declaring it so.

Sorry for the spam and going out of the thread' subject

Yes please

Be very careful playing at Iggy. My opinion is that the site is a scam. I have had bad beat after bad beat and lost 2k in one week. If I had A's they had a set. If I had a set, they had a straight. If I had a straight they had a flush and on and on. I consider myself a good player. Have been at it for several years and have made some money. Since Iggy took over it's obvious to me there are shills sitting at tables. The site is rigged.

Please post your rigged concerns in this thread below so they don't go over looked.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...dition-255990/

You're right it's rigged and they are scammers. Not only that but they stopped paying me for 6 weeks now. Not going to defend those POS *******s anymore.

PS: I'm sure you are a very very good player.

So u think it's rigged now that ignition poker took over? But u don't think know it was rigged as bovada?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C25cTs5J9P4

i'm gonna try and remember that the WTF outcome is all just in my head the next time i slowplay the nuts in position on an uncoordinated rainbow flop in an attempt to get stacks in by the river against an agro maniac betting into me who's just hit runner runner on 4th and 5th streets respectively.

People always used to ask. Why would poker rooms cheat their customers, they make so much in rake.........

Jamie Staples AND Jason Sommerville BOTH won LARGE FILED tournaments the FIRST DAY streaming on TWITCH. Twitch as you know is Pokerstars huge attempt at bringing poker to the masses. Coincidence? I think this exemplifies if sites have the ability to fix hands after the random shuffle.This is just a wild guess on my part, but I don't think it's that wild at all. If the absolute truth was revealed in my wager, I would bet it all that some sites or one site, posses a third party program or self developed one that has the ability to intercept the shuffle and redistribute the cards at anytime, anytable. One word for this could be "fix". Splitting atoms is possible, fixing an online card game for the good of the ecosystem shouldn't be that hard, and the incentive is massive. The coincidences, just as massive. And when done with complete infrequency, within massive samples of hands would NEVER be detectable, aside from of course, players winning massive field tournaments the first day streaming on twitch, than showing there true skillset and subsequently losing 40-60k on the year but they served there purpose "winning" a tournament first day with thousands watching, creating a "spring" per say for a direct agenda. Of course, at the expense and integrity of everyone else in the tournaments. ( the views here are 100% speculative nd I have no basis for making such claims except wild conjecture). I am also high on essential oils and drunk on sea salts

Can any shill explain why poker sites have been caught with almost all available cheating methods (bots, super-users, trojans, ddos, stealing deposits, other stuff) but somehow rigging the deck is impossible?

They probably still ask that. What's your point?

1) Please link me to where a site has been found to be using bots, trojans, and DDOS to cheat players.
2) Please link me to where anyone has said rigging the deck is impossible.

His point is that the sites were not making "so much money" and they decided at some point that they could make more by super using or stealing player deposits.

B) I don't know how to link anything

C) So you are admitting that sites super-used, stole player deposits and did other stuff?

D) The crazy personal verbal attacks on anyone who suggests rigging tells me that the poker site shills will do or say anything to keep up the illusion that rigging is not possible and has never been done.

I don't think Bovada is rigged, but do think a ton of bots have came into the territory lately.

fyp

What verbal attacks? And the AP/UB super user scandal from years ago is actually pretty well known, nobody is denying that.

Also, hyper linking isn't really complicated at all.

Thanks, but I'll wait for his response.

LOL. OK, then why don't we start with you just telling us what sites you're referring to that used bots, trojans, and DDOS to cheat players.

There's no admission required - the Cereus super-user scandal was uncovered right here on this forum, and we've seen a number of poker sites close up with people's money (as unfortunately, has happened with many other businesses in many other industries). This isn't a secret. As for "other stuff", I couldn't say, since that's pretty vague - intentionally so on your part, I assume.

I'll take this as an acknowledgement that no one has said rigging is impossible. That "illusion" is just in your mind - of course rigging is possible.

The superusers were caught by the same person or people that work in stars security and couldn't catch the PLO bots reported to them, no? How convenient catch cheaters on another site , thus driving more traffic to yours to be exploited by bots, LOL

Too funny. I spit up my red bull when I saw you fixed my post.

Most of the online cheating info that I have was found right here on this site.
The pokerstars bot ring thread. The Barcelona break in and install Trojan thread. The multi accounting thread. I realize that these are player cheating player and not site cheating player events, but it just shows how easy it is to cheat in online poker.
If a site got desperate enough or greedy enough, it might try these methods.
I think rigging would be the least likely way a site would cheat because is it too complicated and super using would be so much easier. But given the history of online poker sites greed and criminal behavior, I would not rule anything out.
The personal attacks and insults directed toward Riggies is a bad look, especially when the insults come from mods.

But, but, didn't Josem get his job in PS because he showed his expertise with this finding?

OK.

It's a shame you didn't come to that realization before you said the sites had done it, but I'm glad you got there in the end.

Personal attacks in general aren't a good look, regardless of which way they're directed (and they definitely are directed both ways) or by whom they are made (mods are posters like anyone else). I do find it odd that you've bothered to single out mods, though, as I rarely see moderators of this forum making personal attacks.

It seems your main purpose on the forums is to trash pretty much everything poker sites are doing, but it might be best to skip topics you obviously know little about.

The superuser scandal was brought to light by a number of players bringing up their concerns and then sharing their hand histories/stats. Josem was a key player in this; his graph showing what a massive statistical outlier the main superuser account was made it pretty obvious to all what was going on, and he had a small website dedicated to it. However, this was well before he worked for Stars; as MH has pointed out, his hiring there likely was at least partly due to his work on the Cereus scandal.

Why would you tell us what you had to drink?
Are you lonely? Are you old? Good news for you, we have the user jungmit here in this very thread. He also is very stupid and helpless, just like you.

What do you say, gramps? You two could be like the 2 old guys in the muppet show.

If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.

Nobody cares what you think.
I'm not a mod, you idiot

You guys should know better than make fun of people with mentally challenged people like bot01101

What good did that do for the players who lost almost 2 MILLION dollars because of bots that were reported to these people for a long time. There is no defense for this. It is inexcusable and would warrant a massive investigation of how this was able to happen with this amount of money on the line in most any other industry or business. There should be a public statement of how it happened and how it is not happening now. But that will never happen which is disgusting.